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[Karrie788]

The Angry One wrote...

Well to be fair on that, gay male Sheps had no options in ME1 or ME2 of any kind.

That too.

[Vhalkyrie]

The Angry One wrote...

Well to be fair on that, gay male Sheps had no options in ME1 or ME2 of any kind.

Ok.  So they were fair in discriminating against one group in all 3 games.

[Missy_MI]

Yeah, straight female Shepard doesn't get nearly as many options. Say what you want about the Asari, but to me they all read as women covered in blue paint, so that's how I thought of Liara.

Not complaining though. I've been a girl gamer for a long time and adding *anything* in depth specially for female players is a huge, huge thing. I give BioWare serious admiration for spending the time and money to add all the extra dialog recordings, text, and romance options for female gamers.

Never seen another company take the time to do that as well as they do. My gender is, after all, still the minority of the gaming population.

[sistersafetypin]

Vhalkyrie wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Well to be fair on that, gay male Sheps had no options in ME1 or ME2 of any kind.

Ok.  So they were fair in discriminating against one group in all 3 games.

Pretty much. Everyone but Straight Male Shep

[TRISTAN WERBE]

Missy_MI wrote...

Yeah, straight female Shepard doesn't get nearly as many options. Say what you want about the Asari, but to me they all read as women covered in blue paint, so that's how I thought of Liara.

Not complaining though. I've been a girl gamer for a long time and adding *anything* in depth specially for female players is a huge, huge thing. I give BioWare serious admiration for spending the time and money to add all the extra dialog recordings, text, and romance options for female gamers.

Never seen another company take the time to do that as well as they do. My gender is, after all, still the minority of the gaming population.

Glad you see what we see

[The Angry One]

Vhalkyrie wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Well to be fair on that, gay male Sheps had no options in ME1 or ME2 of any kind.

Ok.  So they were fair in discriminating against one group in all 3 games.

I wouldn't call it discrimination, just a lack of options.
It doesn't justify anything, just pointing out that ManShep hasn't been 100% stellar in the romance department either.

I really think they dropped the ball a few times in ME3 though.
And in ME2 as well. I mean, establish Jack as bi then deny the romance option for FemSheps? I do not get that, and I'm not even very fond of ME2 Jack (I rather like ME3 Jack).

Modifié par The Angry One, 03 avril 2012 - 01:16 .

[Vhalkyrie]

Agreed. It has come a long way. At least I have been able to play my own gender for the majority of Bioware games.

[Vhalkyrie]

sistersafetypin wrote...

Vhalkyrie wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Well to be fair on that, gay male Sheps had no options in ME1 or ME2 of any kind.

Ok.  So they were fair in discriminating against one group in all 3 games.

Pretty much. Everyone but Straight Male Shep

Good point.

[brgillespie]

Confirming that folks that care about romance in videogames need to get laid.

[TRISTAN WERBE]

brgillespie wrote...

Confirming that folks that care about romance in videogames need to get laid.

You aslo see one of our points 

[Leafs43]

The Angry One wrote...

Leafs43 wrote...

If you want to deny that the vast vast majority of lesbian relationships in Bioware games are made for males that want to see a little scissor action, you may as well join the flat earth society too.

Are there males who like that? Of course. And good for them.
Are there females who like that too? Yes, and more than you apparently think.
Same goes for male and female players who want to see male gay romances. It takes all sorts. Attitudes like yours don't help.

Who is the largest video game demographic?  males, by an overwhelming majority

How many lesbians actually exist?  ~2% in the total female population

How many male homosexual romances have been in Bioware games before DAO?  Zero


But apparently Bioware has made sure to go out of its way cater to 2% of the extreme minority and make lesbian relationships in their games for lesbians meanwhile disregarding the minority of their majority.


Logic, this hurts you.

[kalasaurus]

Agreed. I guess I am lucky that Garrus and Kaidan are my two favorite ME romances. I started a new FemShep to romance Liara (I prefer playing as a female in RPGs), but she doesn't count as a straight romance. I was tempted by Thane's, but his romance is almost identical to a friendship in ME3 (except that kiss). The squad still forgets he ever existed.

Lots of gay romances for the male playing a FemShep? I hate to be cynical or flame baiting, but it felt that way ... (edit: I don't intend to insult any gay female gamers. I am bi myself, and was just making an observation.)

Modifié par GlassElephant, 03 avril 2012 - 01:23 .

[Daerog]

Leaked! Next DLC (after they fix the endings):
The Privateer DLC!  Go on an adventure into the Traverse, meet a pirate with a heart of gold and troubled past (voiced by Steve Valentine), and try to have a group of pirates help in the fight for the Galaxy! Also, no this is a totally planned DLC and not a shameless attempt to appease female fans.

[The Angry One]

Leafs43 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Leafs43 wrote...

If you want to deny that the vast vast majority of lesbian relationships in Bioware games are made for males that want to see a little scissor action, you may as well join the flat earth society too.

Are there males who like that? Of course. And good for them.
Are there females who like that too? Yes, and more than you apparently think.
Same goes for male and female players who want to see male gay romances. It takes all sorts. Attitudes like yours don't help.

Who is the largest video game demographic?  males, by an overwhelming majority

How many lesbians actually exist?  ~2% in the total female population

How many male homosexual romances have been in Bioware games before DAO?  Zero


But apparently Bioware has made sure to go out of its way cater to 2% of the extreme minority and make lesbian relationships in their games for lesbians meanwhile disregarding the minority of their majority.


Logic, this hurts you.

No, made up statistics hurt me.

Also, Sky from Jade Empire wants a word with you.

[Baronesa]

Are you forgettting Sky?

[ahandsomeshark]

Vhalkyrie wrote...

Agreed. It has come a long way. At least I have been able to play my own gender for the majority of Bioware games.

yep, I didn't realize how used to playing as a white male I was until I started a playthrough without default Shepard and kept getting confused when I loaded it up.

[Daerog]

Missy_MI wrote...

 My gender is, after all, still the minority of the gaming population.

Depends on what defines the "gaming population." It's not as much of a minority as some people think, don't know the statistic, but isn't it almost half by now?

Edit: I meant to say not as much of a minority...

Modifié par DaerogTheDhampir, 03 avril 2012 - 01:24 .

[ahandsomeshark]

And the number of gay and lesbians is actually estimated to be between 15-20%.

[ahandsomeshark]

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

Missy_MI wrote...

 My gender is, after all, still the minority of the gaming population.

Depends on what defines the "gaming population." It's as much of a minority as some people think, don't know the statistic, but isn't it almost half by now?

not for traditional gaming. It's over 50% female for casual gaming (ipad/ipod apps/facebook games etc). No idea what

[ahandsomeshark]

not to mention considering they already have all the dialogue recorded, what does the demographic argument even matter? It's not like it would take significantly more resources to implement it.

[Missy_MI]

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...
Depends on what defines the "gaming population." It's as much of a minority as some people think, don't know the statistic, but isn't it almost half by now?

I guess we'd need to know the the statistics for RPGs.  I know a lot of women like games like Bejeweled and The Sims and Farmsville.  I'd be more interested to know many women have played Witcher or any of the single player Final Fantasy games.

I wonder if BioWare has good data on their playerbase gender ratio.  It would be interesting to see if the number of female gamers has gone up since say, KOTOR.

[Baronesa]

ahandsomeshark wrote...

not to mention considering they already have all the dialogue recorded, what does the demographic argument even matter? It's not like it would take significantly more resources to implement it.

Because the demographic argument helps them with the ad populum fallacies

[The Angry One]

Speaking for myself I don't play games like The Witcher because they have set male characters, and in RPGs that's a huge put off for me.

Modifié par The Angry One, 03 avril 2012 - 01:29 .

[kalasaurus]

Doesn't bioware have a high number of female fans? I don't think the ratio of male to female gamers is exactly 50/50, but there is a lot of us.

[Baronesa]

Missy_MI wrote...

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...
Depends on what defines the "gaming population." It's as much of a minority as some people think, don't know the statistic, but isn't it almost half by now?

I guess we'd need to know the the statistics for RPGs.  I know a lot of women like games like Bejeweled and The Sims and Farmsville.  I'd be more interested to know many women have played Witcher or any of the single player Final Fantasy games.

I wonder if BioWare has good data on their playerbase gender ratio.  It would be interesting to see if the number of female gamers has gone up since say, KOTOR.

I think Bioware and other RPG developers have more female fans, because we do get the option to play as females. If more  companies introduced that option to their games, it would be more inclussive.

A case in point. There is no reason for a game like Ghostbusters, that has no voice over for the player character, to not have a female option.