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[Rockworm503]

Nepp wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

I disagree.
Anger and dispear are very powerful emotions.

Heh. There was a disconnect of emotions in the final mission. It felt more rushed and patched together than anything. The suicide mission in ME2 was waay more emotional than ME3. Better written and done.

The only emotion in ME3, was at the ending. Disbelief and confusion were the main two.

Well yeah the anger was more like "this is what my wonderful Mass Effect has been reduced to?"
There was a lot of face palming and I still don't know how I didn't end up breaking something.  Must be a sign of my maturity.

[wrc78]

Well, there is hate because there is some history, as already pointed out. And as history has a habit of repeating itself, there is fear... No wait... There is no fear... Arg. Wrong game.

Well... Don't be afraid of the Reapers; just choose your flavor : control, synthesis or destroy ? And let's have a quick trip in 2007.
http://www.pcworld.i...ning_ea_bioware
Excerpt :

Concerning the EA deal, I saw a Digg headline that said "Bad Day for Gaming: EA Buys BioWare." What do you say to allay the fears of BioWare and Pandemic fans, who might worry that you'll become somehow homogenized by joining EA?

Over my dead body. [laughter] At the end of the day, we are just as focused, if not more so, on creating amazing games that our fans will go nuts over. We have such amazing games in the pipeline right now, and EA is so enthusiastic over them - that's one of the reasons we've joined them. EA's mantra has been "look guys, we're going to stand out of the way... you guys continue to do what you know how to do. We're here to support you." If anything, this will give us more opportunity for success in the future.

We understand why our fans might be anxious over this [deal]. But [know that] EA is working on some incredible games right now, I'm getting excited as a fan. And fans of BioWare and Pandemic have nothing to worry about - we're the same old guys doing the same old stuff. Just watch and see what happens.


(Now it's kinda cold in here...)
I sincerely hope I won't watch and see the same thing happen for the second studio, even in another form...

[Aesieru]

wrc78 wrote...

Well, there is hate because there is some history, as already pointed out. And as history has a habit of repeating itself, there is fear... No wait... There is no fear... Arg. Wrong game.

Well... Don't be afraid of the Reapers; just choose your flavor : control, synthesis or destroy ? And let's have a quick trip in 2007.
http://www.pcworld.i...ning_ea_bioware
Excerpt :

Concerning the EA deal, I saw a Digg headline that said "Bad Day for Gaming: EA Buys BioWare." What do you say to allay the fears of BioWare and Pandemic fans, who might worry that you'll become somehow homogenized by joining EA?

Over my dead body. [laughter] At the end of the day, we are just as focused, if not more so, on creating amazing games that our fans will go nuts over. We have such amazing games in the pipeline right now, and EA is so enthusiastic over them - that's one of the reasons we've joined them. EA's mantra has been "look guys, we're going to stand out of the way... you guys continue to do what you know how to do. We're here to support you." If anything, this will give us more opportunity for success in the future.

We understand why our fans might be anxious over this [deal]. But [know that] EA is working on some incredible games right now, I'm getting excited as a fan. And fans of BioWare and Pandemic have nothing to worry about - we're the same old guys doing the same old stuff. Just watch and see what happens.


(Now it's kinda cold in here...)
I sincerely hope I won't watch and see the same thing happen for the second studio, even in another form...

Being a vice president in a huge corporation with many over you does not give you much power.

BioWare is bought, that's it.

[Aesieru]

Nepp wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

I'm not sure my army even landed, I saw about 21 shuttles landing in that cinematic and can argue maybe another 11 came later... I'm pretty sure I had just from Aria's forces at least 5000 Vorcha which divided by 16 (shuttle occupance) is over 200 shuttles we'd need JUST for them. And since I don't see any major troop transports...

Bioware has always had a problem with populating worlds and cities. They used to do battle scenes well. (dragon age origins was awesome for that)

But yeah, there was no army you could see that landed. Just a few shuttles. I'm sure we'll be told that its implied, its art and use your imagination.

Yet we lost the army, there were no geth forces, no Aria forces, no mechs, no... anything really. We saw all our forces decimated time after time after time.

That's why I say Generic Fleet and Army.

That fleet was for cruisers and fighters, nothing else...

That army was human alliance recruits and a few aliens here and there, nothing else...

That was not what I spent 25+ horus building up.

That's what made me angry at the start.

[UrgentArchengel]

Exactly. Bioware is freaking awesome, and it's true, everything after DA2 has something foul about it. I don't blame Bioware, I blame greedy corporations and companies like EA. I would love to see Bioware become self sufficient like before.

[kotli]

Because of one simple fact:
Once upon a time the was a good game studio called *insert name here* who produce great games like X, Y & Z. Then one day they caught the attention EA and get brought/taken over by EA. Then shortly afterwards studio either start producing **** rehashes etc or gets closed down.

So EA gets the status of Big Bad Wolf/Evil Witch/Wicked Stepmother.

[DeadPoolX]

What's really interesting is how different EA was in its early days compared to the modern-day EA we all know now. Here's a brief excerpt from the Wikipedia article on Electronic Arts:

"A novel approach to giving credit to its developers was one of EA's trademarks in its early days. This characterization was even further reinforced with EA's packaging of most of their games in the "album cover" pioneered by EA because [Trip] Hawkins thought that a record album style would both save costs and convey an artistic feeling. EA routinely referred to their developers as "artists" and gave them photo credits in their games and numerous full-page magazine ads. EA also shared lavish profits with their developers, which added to their industry appeal."

[DoctorEss]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Because EA is evil. More accurately, the publishing industry has been stepping on people's rights for a long time and people might be getting fed up?

Think about it, Steam can just lock your entire library of games if they feel like it (but I somewhat doubt that Waterstones will send people to my house and burn the books I bought from them).

So you've got extremely customer-unfriendly EULAs, intrusive DRM, Origin, transparent cashgrabs ("project ten dollar", now upgraded to day-1-DLC only included in the Collector's edition)... combine that with the fact that EA does few positive things (the developers get most of the praise for good games), and it's hard to not hate EA.

What does Steam have to do with EA?  Also, no, they can't.  The only thing Steam will do is lock you out of VAC-secured servers for online games.  IF YOU BREAK THE RULES AND CHEAT.

Otherwise, no, Steam won't just "lock your entire library".

Or did you mean Origin?  In that case, you're right.  People lost access to their entire library for getting banned from BF3 forums.

The hate for EA, to answer the OP, comes from the fact that no developer has EVER gotten better as being a part of EA, but every single one has gotten worse.

ME1 had ONE DLC.  It was free.  EA acquires Bioware.  ME1 gets a paid DLC.  ME2 is made.  Go add up how much you have to spend to get all the ME2 DLCs.  EA doesn't care about quality, they care about profits and shareholders.

They don't care if they water an RPG down until it's Gears of Call of Duty 3:  DLC Ops, and remove everything that made it good.  They just care if doing that will eke out a few more sales.

It's a vicious cycle.  Developer is good, EA acquires developer.  EA puts hand in the development process, forces changes left and right, forces shorter development cycles, forces rushed, broken games.  Developer loses consumer faith, trust.  Developers games sell badly.  EA axes developer.

Bioware is one or two more games away from going the way of Westwood.

It won't be the first time EA's done this, and it surely won't be the last.

Modifié par DoctorEss, 26 mars 2012 - 01:22 .

[MalevoIence]

They are evil in how they exploit stupid ppl. Making the dumb buy a Madden game year after year for 50-60 bucks when it's usually just a change to the roster and main menu. How they dictate their will and suck up subsidiary companies with prospects of wealth but will mercilessly cut them down if they fail to make desired profit. As well as their monopoly on sports titles, I don't think any other company are allowed to make a sports title anymore that's any kind of serious... So basically, I think they are evil because they exploit wife beater nation in buying the same game year after year, and through acquiring a game company, forces their will on them, dictating little changes here and there which ultimately ruins a game.

Modifié par MalevoIence, 26 mars 2012 - 01:25 .

[joejoe099]

Didn't they take a year off development for mass effect 3? and also made them rush DA:2? they demand cash fast and lots, from a lot of companies they buy out. one of my childhood favs was bought and ruined by them. I mean, after they were bought, all their games were ok at first, and slowly got more horrible and weren't as long as the ones before. the company I speak of is Pandemic Studios.

[Aesieru]

iVitriol wrote...

The rap song "Truth, Pt. 2" off the "Liar & a Thief" album by Diabolic is very suiting to today's monster that is EA.

I hate rap, and I can't even understand most of it when I try.

[ZtalkerRM]

I'm seriously thinking about switching to PES insyead of FIFA, tot Bethesda instead of Bioware after reading that EA spouse article and after the DA2 and ME3 debacles.

If you look at Bethesda, where their lead artist of Fallout 3, Oblivion and Skyrim died a few weeks ago..you somehow get the feeling they care about people. They threw the entire site offline and replaced it with one praising their artist and team. So, nobody could find info and marketing stuff about their games for a week. For EA, this would be a nightmare.

Also, there is a video about a 'relax' week for Bethesda online, where employees could team up and create everything they'd fond funnny and cool for Skyrim, just for laughs. It includes Dragon Mounts and other funny stuff.

That's hoe you treat your people. And I have no illusion Bethesda is a 'Nice' company. Their titles are top important for that. Bit they are clearly much, much more caring then EA.

[mutermath]

ZtalkerRM wrote...

I'm seriously thinking about switching to PES insyead of FIFA, .

Or you should give up with football games.
I dont think you'll enjoy PES since you hated FIFA or maybe our taste in games are completely different.

[ZtalkerRM]

mutermath wrote...

ZtalkerRM wrote...

I'm seriously thinking about switching to PES insyead of FIFA, .

Or you should give up with football games.
I dont think you'll enjoy PES since you hated FIFA or maybe our taste in games are completely different.

I am a football lover though..been playing it myself for more then 15 years now.
But if my brother (professional player himself) and me (experienced gamer) agree that FIFA 12 is just an unrealistic, unfair and buggy game, something has gone completely wrong at EA. My bro's judgement is especially harsh, since EA markets FIFA as a 'sim.' But if a sportsmen himself claims it's not realistic or good at all...

But thanks for warning me about PES...I apreciate it.

[mybudgee]

EA gets hate because it seems to be the personification of what is going wrong in the gaming industry these days; i.e. profit over integrity, mocking the fanbase, corporate goals over true brand loyalty, blatant $ grabs over counter-culture gamer advocacy...

[TLK Spires]

because they're profit ****s.

[Cuddieee]

Aesieru wrote...

sackyhack wrote...

To be honest, EA-owned developers have given me several good games, including Dead Space 1&2, Battlefield 3, Mirror's Edge, Crysis series, Freedom Fighters and more. What's been happening to Bioware is somewhat unique to Bioware in my eyes. I don't know what it is, but I wouldn't completely blame EA.

If you did the research on EA, you might find the many other games they've ruined, also BF3 in regards to its singleplayer campaign, DS 2 in regards to its campaign and the fact the ending allows for unlimited milking, and Crysis 2 and Mirrors edge have all had terrible associations in regards to the quality of their stories or their actual sales.

Big Battlefield fan since 2005, I can tell you without a doubt that BF3 abandoned the established fanbase in favor of the dominant COD crowd. Their entire marketing campaign was centered around it, including this slogan, word-for-word: "Above and beyond the call of duty." 

I wish you would have seen the official forums around release. The devs never checked US forums, used to check the UK forums and now prefer communicating through Twitter after they received a mountain of deserved backlash on the forums. Their community manager actually posted a rant (that was quickly removed) calling the fans entitled brats (I'm paraphrasing, of course). 

Point is, EA has a history of ruining things as recent as November 2011. No reason why it wouldn't apply here. 

[Aurica]

DoctorEss wrote...

Bioware is one or two more games away from going the way of Westwood.

It won't be the first time EA's done this, and it surely won't be the last.

Sadly, I agree with you.  With EA calling the shots.. I not confident with BW delivering us a quality product that doesn't feel watered down and rushed.

With their dominance in the gaming industry, it may be time to just give up PC gaming entirely..

[Sith_exar_kun]

They acquired Westwood then closed it, and it wasn't enough for them! EA also ruined the awesome series they created! (and it's doin' quite the same with bioware).

[FedericoV]

Sith_exar_kun wrote...

They acquired Westwood then closed it, and it wasn't enough for them! EA also ruined the awesome series they created! (and it's doin' quite the same with bioware).

They even ruined the Ultima series.

Richard Garriot used the sphere, the cube and the tetrahedron as symbols of evil in his last Ultima game. Those solids were the ones used in EA logo at the time.

[grYnnAn]

And the award goes to EA! Congratulations!

http://www.techpower...a-for-2012.html

Modifié par grYnnAn, 07 avril 2012 - 07:13 .