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Totec wrote...

RLesueur wrote...

No, it doesn't at all, but titling your post 'why is everyone so butthurt' does!


Ok granted that probably wasn't the best way to present the question, but it truly boggles me...the sheer amount of hatred and vitriole that was levelled at bioware for this ending seems wildly overreactive to the actual content of the ending.


Well, my theory on why some like and some dislike the ending is that the ending only really covers a few possible ways to defeat the Reapers. These endings will be very fitting to some peoples Shepards, and thus seem awesome. To others like me, the endings don't fit their Shepard at all and so seem contrived and poorly executed.

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Erszebeth

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Because when you go for "artful" for an ending instead of closure and sense, you've failed as a storyteller. Enjoy your artful ending full of plotholes.

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Please, start here : www.gamefront.com/mass-effect-3-ending-hatred-5-reasons-the-fans-are-right/

Once, and only once you've read the actual reasons making people angry, you'll be welcome to debate and counter-argue us.

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Either you trolling or just don;t care with lore, story, plot, character......
I mean you justify Joker's escape while a years ago he desperately tries to save already doomed Normandy SR1? That just out of character for Joker I know these years.

Hey! Maybe it was Joker evil who escaped from Battle for Earth.

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 It really is the perfect troll.  BioWare won't take it down because it compliments them, and we will react to it because it annoys us a lot.  Bravo, OP.

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zarnk567

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Did you just use the word "artful" to describe this mess of an ending......(sigh) I'm losing faith in humanity.....

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Totec wrote...

So yes I finally finished the storyline. I realize it took me a lot longer than most but I blame a lack of play time and my tendencies toward alt-itis. 

I was expecting some horrible half ass phony ending, something that would warrant all the pained screams from the Bioware faithful that I've been hearing for weeks.  I was expecting to be disgusted and angry and to harbor a general feeling of being cheated. 

I don't get it. The ending was artful, gripping, dramatic and fitting for such an epic series. So why all the butthurt? I mean people screamed enough to actually make Bioware go back and decide to augment and tweak what was a suprisingly artful climax to the series. 

I imagine in a different time the same people would threaten Shakespeare's life for killing off Romeo and Juliet. Where people expecting to go back to Rannoch and dry hump tali's wetsuit or something? 

tl;dr someone explain why everyone is crying about this...to the point of threatening the creators etc. It's crazy to me. 

To Bioware, thank you for the excellent experience and story. It was truly a bar-raising event.


The bolded parts invalidate your entire argument. ME3 is an interactive video game. It is a commercial product produced by a commercial entity for profit. It is not art. We are not art fans. We are customers and we are dissatisfied with the product we bought.

FACT.

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Totec wrote...



I imagine in a different time the same people would threaten Shakespeare's life for killing off Romeo and Juliet. Where people expecting to go back to Rannoch and dry hump tali's wetsuit or something? 

tl;dr someone explain why everyone is crying about this...to the point of threatening the creators etc. It's crazy to me. 

To Bioware, thank you for the excellent experience and story. It was truly a bar-raising event.

Glad that you liked the ending. Really glad.
However you probably miss the point if you compare it to Shakespear.
See, Romeo is not fighting (and winning over) evil force for 2 previous tomes. aLst pages of Romeo and Julia have all of the words and paragraphs unlike ending of ME3. Romeo and Julia does not end with totally new character giving an option to use the poison to turn all of Italy into zombies with green wave.
Again, glad that you like it.
Can you be so kind and explain to thick non-artistic me where/why Normandy is running from and why people who not long ago where storming the beam are now on it?
How is synthesis possible in ME3 science fiction universe?
Also,comparing it to Shakespear? Really? No,really?

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EsterCloat wrote...

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I enjoy how the kids raised on Final Fantasy 7 and later games from the playstation era onwards have been taught that terrible writing without explaining is artful. The more plot-holes and unexplained bits the better, right, because that makes it thought-provoking. XD

Don't lump us in with those people. I was raised through the PS1 era and enjoyed Final Fantasy 7 and I still think the ending is horrible.


I claim grumpy old man privledges on this one.

Now get off my (withered, dead) lawn.

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LilyasAvalon

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It's not even that artful. The symbolism was poorly executed.

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A starchild with dumb logic.

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You either didn't pay attention through the whole game/didn't give a **** about the story (i.e playing for killing zombies and troopers)/trolling (inb4 TROLLIN IS NOT WHEN SOME1 IS AGAINST UR OPINION).

The ending has so many plotholes and didn't make sense at all, beside that MOST of the people who are demanding a new ending from Bioware are not 'threatning the creators. Just a couple of idiots who enjoy the art of trolling. Beside that Bioware has made so many promises that the game will have like, no A,B,C ending (aka Green, blue and red), sixteen different endings (I lol irl whenever I type it down) and so on. I suggest you to read a couple of threads in this forum to understand why so many people are 'butthurt' about the ending.

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 see this video




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Furluge wrote...

EsterCloat wrote...

Furluge wrote...

I enjoy how the kids raised on Final Fantasy 7 and later games from the playstation era onwards have been taught that terrible writing without explaining is artful. The more plot-holes and unexplained bits the better, right, because that makes it thought-provoking. XD

Don't lump us in with those people. I was raised through the PS1 era and enjoyed Final Fantasy 7 and I still think the ending is horrible.


I claim grumpy old man privledges on this one.

Now get off my (withered, dead) lawn.


I was too..... and I hate the ending......

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Plot holes, plot holes and many more plot holes!

We don't want the happy ending, some of us want things to make sense!


http://angryjoeshow....me3-ending-dlc/

Just to name a few :P

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RLesueur wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

RLesueur wrote...

Wow,
totally new and original trolling attempt here. No one has tried this
one before, you are a unique and special snowflak!


Having an opinion other than your own, does not make someone a troll.


No, it doesn't at all, but titling your post 'why is everyone so butthurt' does!


No, it doesn't at all. It just means you're too sensitive. Grow a pair, or quad.

Modifié par thoreauscabin, 25 mars 2012 - 11:43 .


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J-Reyno

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"The ending was artful"

O lord

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Admiral H. Cain

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From the link I provided in my OP.

http://jmstevenson.w...-mass-effect-3/

"Imagine Frodo, dangling the One Ring, over the fiery chasm of Mt. Doom. He turns, and says, “The Ring is Mine!” and slips the One Ring onto his finger.

Suddenly he’s whisked into a universe contained inside the One Ring, an entire world trapped in the essence of the ring. He meets the Keeper of the Ring, an ethereal spirit who has dwelled within the ring since its creation and now Frodo must make the ultimate sacrifice. He has to become the ring, in order to destroy it.

How many people in the theater, watching the Lord of the Rings trilogy, would have stood up and said: “What the **** is this ****?”

All of them, that’s how many, and do you know why? Because it introduces a new element that, by its very existence, shatters everything we, the audience, have come to understand about the world of Middle-Earth. If the Ring possesses a consciousness, why didn’t it destroy Sauron? Why is the Keeper of the Ring only now showing up when Frodo has put the Ring on before? Why does Frodo have to die to destroy it?

See throughout all three movies of Lord of the Rings we came to understand the universe, and how it worked; the rules and limits the characters were forced to work under. The Ring was a corrupting influence but could make the wearer invisible, it could only be destroyed in the fires of Mt. Doom, and Sauron created it. Suddenly introducing a new element, right at the end of the story, puts everything the audience knows into doubt including everything they enjoyed about the movie before the horrible ending came. That is exactly what happened with Mass Effect 3.

Meet God:

(Picture of Catalyst).

It's the glowing blue thing masquerading as a literary device

This is the Catalyst. Now throughout Mass Effect 3 there are plenty of mentions about the Catalyst, it’s the whole focus of the game, but never, never, was it foreshadowed as being some all-powerful Super AI. And even if Bioware had spent the entire game foreshadowing that fact, it still wouldn’t make up for the fact that the appearance of this character completely screws the rest of the preceding Mass Effect games by opening up plot holes so huge that they could be classified as quantum singularities. For instance, the Catalyst claims that the Reapers are his solution. So then why, in Mass Effect 1, did the Catalyst not simply call the Reapers himself? Why did Sovereign need to do it himself? In fact why was Sovereign even still in the Milky Way when the Catalyst could simply have monitored organic life himself and summoned the Reapers. Why did the Catalyst allow the Protheans to reprogram the Keepers?

You see, the existence of this Catalyst renders not only the entire ending of the game as pointless and confusing, but retroactively does the same thing to everything that’s come before. And I remind you, that this is in the final few moments of the game, on the Dramatic Arc I showed you, this is the Resolution. Bioware was supposed to be tying up loose ends here, resolving plot points and character arcs, not creating all new ones in the final few seconds. I’ve never seen a good story that managed to incorporate a last minute change like this and still be good. Even stories with twist endings, like The Usual Suspects and The Sixth Sense all foreshadow the twist in subtle ways so that when the twist comes we can look back and say “Oh yeah, now it all makes sense” rather than “that was such bull****”. Just ask M Night Shyamalan what happens when you use twist endings without any previous foreshadowing.

I think the absolute worst part of the Catalyst is that it completely destroys the menace of the Reapers."

There is far more content on the site, and you'd be best off reading the whole thing.

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4/10, OP.

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strive wrote...

I don't get it. The ending was artful, gripping, dramatic and fitting for such an epic series.


I'm curious what were a few of your favorite parts that left such an impression?


The walk to the beam, continuing through the keeper tunnels cluttered with bodies, to the illusive man conversation. That was all amazing. I was so compelled by it I had to come here to try to wrap my head around this eventhough it's 4:30am right now and I have to get up in a couple hours. 

And personally I saw the crash landing of Normandy on whatever lush planet it was as a hopeful thing. 

If anything was a let down it was not being able to continue the game with the few ME2 squadmates that were so much more memorable than the ones this game offered....mainly Mordin, Miranda and Jack. 

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Totec wrote...

strive wrote...

I don't get it. The ending was artful, gripping, dramatic and fitting for such an epic series.


I'm curious what were a few of your favorite parts that left such an impression?


The walk to the beam, continuing through the keeper tunnels cluttered with bodies, to the illusive man conversation. That was all amazing. I was so compelled by it I had to come here to try to wrap my head around this eventhough it's 4:30am right now and I have to get up in a couple hours. 

And personally I saw the crash landing of Normandy on whatever lush planet it was as a hopeful thing. 

If anything was a let down it was not being able to continue the game with the few ME2 squadmates that were so much more memorable than the ones this game offered....mainly Mordin, Miranda and Jack. 


The bolded part WAS awesome. I'm "butt hurt" about everything that happened after that.

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To the OP, your answer lies in the fact that the ending was ambiguous. Now, I know that a lot of great stories have ended with debate (eg, hang on, was he really replicant all along) but Mass Effect promised to put the results of your actions in front of you, whereas the choice you make in the end has no really clear moral outcome. The replay value is lost. The player says "I have spent three games, close to 100 hours, working to an ending that is ambiguous. The choices I have made really only boil down to a crude number (Galactic readiness) and in the end have the same weight as whether I decided to play multiplayer or not". It kills the feeling of reward for effort / smart choices. A lot of people also think they see plot holes, but I really only see one.

For about half the others: You guys are really starting to annoy me. You wonder why Bioware mentions that a few people are taking things too far, and yet every time somebody likes the ending you accuse them of being a troll, or think that if somebody has owned Bioware games for three years but hasn't posted here before they must somehow be a fake account. Seriously, between this, some of the stupid things people come up with on the suggestions thread (Shepard shouldn't die, we need a boss fight etc.) and the idiots who got the Child's Play donations cut off I would be seriously losing patience if there weren't a few eloquent, well mannered people keeping things in perspective for the Retake Mass Effect movement. Take a step back and ask yourself am I thinking for myself, or have I just become part of a mob. A lot of people have put their thoughts forward really well, but a worrying number are starting to pick up pitchforks and torches at the first sign of dissent.

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Furluge wrote...

I enjoy how the kids raised on Final Fantasy 7 and later games from the playstation era onwards have been taught that terrible writing without explaining is artful. The more plot-holes and unexplained bits the better, right, because that makes it thought-provoking. XD


My signature, my join date, my list in my profile games owned from Bioware and lastly my history.

Sorry your assumption just got burned. :P

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I'm "butthurt" because there were too many times during that ending sequence where I went, "WTF?" and "That doesn't make sense, why is this happening?"

And the Normandy crashing because of some random phenomenon, and Joker apparently turning cowardly, is in no way okay. That part was completely unnecessary and only lead to more questions than answers. I don't care how pretty the planet looks: the crew is stranded for no reason, and you're pigeonholed into that outcome no matter what, just like you're pigeonholed into pretty much everything but the color of the explosion.

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I'm glad you enjoyed the ending, OP. It's nice to see that the ending was satisfying for some Mass Effect players :)

No sarcasm. I really wanted to like the ending, but it just made me massively disappointed. It felt lacking in so many ways for me.