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#76
KroganShields

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alx119 wrote...

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So far the retake movement has been using deceit, wanting to sue Bioware, giving the game 0/10, comparing it
to getting their mother raped, wanting people to be fired, calling for  the company to collapse, making threads about how to get your money back that's full of praise and support, demanding their money back from a charity and forcing it to change it's rules, the list goes on and on. Heck if you ask them why they're overreacting so much they call you a troll:

RLesueur wrote...

Wow, totally new and original trolling attempt here. No one has tried this one before, you are a unique and special snowflak!


Don't bother. There's no talking to these people.


And focusing their angriness in doing something good for the children. I don't see the people who "loved" the endings focusing their happiness towards a better goal. 

Many accept the fact that there's a few who liked the endings, they just question the reasons. 


Most of the time whenever you see a person who 'loved' the ending, all they do is bash, call us whiners and entitled and give retarded answers in return to our questions towards them. 

Basically, Bioware fanboys.

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RLesueur wrote...

Wow, totally new and original trolling attempt here. No one has tried this one before, you are a unique and special snowflak!



I love how anyone who likes the game is a troll, but folks posting the same bile and hate over and over again are just expressing their opinion.

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RLesueur wrote...

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That's the spirit, pretend they never did any of that stuff and all the critism has been constructive and not destructive like even Bioware mentioned.


That's the spirit. Lets blame 50,000 people for the actions of a handful. That's not a disproportionate assignement of blame at all.


Weird, you're saying you shouldn't let one small part of something ruin all of it?

Huh. That's quite ironic.

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Our_Last_Scene wrote...

alx119 wrote...

And focusing their angriness in doing something good for the children. I don't see the people who "loved" the endings focusing their happiness towards a better goal. 

Many accept the fact that there's a few who liked the endings, they just question the reasons. 


And then the charity had to change it's rules due in part to a high number of people demanding their money back when they realised the money was going to sick kids and not into changing the ending.


There was no mention of high numbers.

And you're wondering why I called you a liar, lol.

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We all got Reaped in the ass.

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JasmoVT wrote...

RLesueur wrote...

Wow, totally new and original trolling attempt here. No one has tried this one before, you are a unique and special snowflak!



I love how anyone who likes the game is a troll, but folks posting the same bile and hate over and over again are just expressing their opinion.


:huh:

Read. The. Thread. Title.

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Becuase they take it as what literally happened. not Everyone got Shepard was being indoctrination by reapers

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"tl;dr someone explain why everyone is crying about this...to the point of threatening the creators etc. It's crazy to me."

OP -- the ones defending you may be ok with this statement, but for accuracy sake, let's not give the impression that this is a group wide phenomenon. It's very cool you had a good time with the game.

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Our_Last_Scene wrote...

alx119 wrote...

And focusing their angriness in doing something good for the children. I don't see the people who "loved" the endings focusing their happiness towards a better goal. 

Many accept the fact that there's a few who liked the endings, they just question the reasons. 


And then the charity had to change it's rules due in part to a high number of people demanding their money back when they realised the money was going to sick kids and not into changing the ending.


That's a blatant lie. 

From 
http://www.escapistm...-Donation-Drive 

"The decision [to stop the donations] was made at the request of Child's Play, not because the charity was unhappy with the drive but because of mistaken assumptions of a connection between it and RetakeMass Effect[/i], and the potential slippery slope the donation drive creates."[Child's Play] pointed out that several sources are incorrectly assuming a link between the charity and the petition, or outright support of the petition by the charity. This has been the source of some difficulty for them, and it has been requested that we wind this effort down," the founder, going by the name Robb, wrote. "Again, I want to stress that the charity is not unhappy with our work, they are exceptionally pleased with what we have accomplished."

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Our_Last_Scene wrote...

alx119 wrote...

And focusing their angriness in doing something good for the children. I don't see the people who "loved" the endings focusing their happiness towards a better goal. 

Many accept the fact that there's a few who liked the endings, they just question the reasons. 


And then the charity had to change it's rules due in part to a high number of people demanding their money back when they realised the money was going to sick kids and not into changing the ending.


If you kept up with the Retake facebook page, you'd know that we denounced anyone who asked for their money back as no longer being part of the movement. We don't want to be associated with that kind of crap because people will latch onto it as "proof" that the rest of us are like that.

By the way, the vast majority of us that donated didn't ask for our money back, and knew very well what we were donating for. So much for trying to turn our frustrations into something positive.

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Deus Ex Machina's are not artful.

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KroganShields wrote...

Most of the time whenever you see a person who 'loved' the ending, all they do is bash, call us whiners and entitled and give retarded answers in return to our questions towards them. 

Basically, Bioware fanboys.



Oh, and the anti-ending crowd is SO much more civil, right? 

Modifié par HenchxNarf, 25 mars 2012 - 12:14 .


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Admiral H. Cain

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Alexraptor1 wrote...

Deus Ex Machina's are not artful.


Exactly.

From Wikipedia: 

deus ex machina[/i] (Posted Image /ˈd.əs ɛks ˈmɑːknə/ or /ˈdəs ɛks ˈmækɨnə/ day-əs eks mah-kee-nə;[1] Latin: "god out of the machine"; plural: dei ex machina[/i]) is a plot device whereby a seemingly unsolvable problem is suddenly and abruptly solved with the contrived and unexpected intervention of some new event, character, ability, or object. 

The Latin phrase deus ex machina[/i] comes to English usage from Horace's Ars Poetica,[/i] where he instructs poets that they must never resort to a god from the machine to solve their plots. He refers to the conventions of Greek tragedy, where a crane (mekhane[/i]) was used to lower actors playing gods onto the stage. The machine referred to in the phrase could be either the crane employed in the task, a calque from the Greek "god from the machine" ("ἀπὸ μηχανῆς θεός," apò mēkhanḗs theós[/i]), or the riser that brought a god up from a trap door. The idea is that the device of said god is entirely artificial or conceived by man. 

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Basically, deus ex machina are used when the writer has absolutely no idea how to resolve the plot...

Modifié par Admiral H. Cain, 25 mars 2012 - 12:15 .


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Our_Last_Scene wrote...

alx119 wrote...

And focusing their angriness in doing something good for the children. I don't see the people who "loved" the endings focusing their happiness towards a better goal. 

Many accept the fact that there's a few who liked the endings, they just question the reasons. 


And then the charity had to change it's rules due in part to a high number of people demanding their money back when they realised the money was going to sick kids and not into changing the ending.


I think thats all nonsense.
 I think its the people who claim to be on the moral highground pointing their fingers at the drive that actually did that to prove a point, People where donating out of the kindness of their hearts, and some sick twisted people had to ruin it for the kids. People do very immoral things to try to prove their point and don't care that they hurt the children along the way.

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JasmoVT wrote...

RLesueur wrote...

Wow, totally new and original trolling attempt here. No one has tried this one before, you are a unique and special snowflak!



I love how anyone who likes the game is a troll, but folks posting the same bile and hate over and over again are just expressing their opinion.


Pretty much.

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Our_Last_Scene wrote...

alx119 wrote...

And focusing their angriness in doing something good for the children. I don't see the people who "loved" the endings focusing their happiness towards a better goal. 

Many accept the fact that there's a few who liked the endings, they just question the reasons. 


And then the charity had to change it's rules due in part to a high number of people demanding their money back when they realised the money was going to sick kids and not into changing the ending.

you haven't been following the news have you? They had to close because SOME people who liked the ending were sending them hatemail, accusing them that the people who didn't were using the charity as a way to get their way. When in fact, was just a way to channelize the angriness and deception into something constructive. Many people returned their games, and then donated the money to charity, made them feel better. 

Don't even talk. 

I believe there's a lot of good people who liked the ending, and when they do talk about it, they do in a civil manner. I had myself conversations with such people, and although disagreeing, it's still interesting to see the different point of view. THIS kind of thread is just inciting for people to get pissed. If you don't understand the difference, I'm very sorry for you. 

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HenchxNarf wrote...

RLesueur wrote...

Wow, totally new and original trolling attempt here. No one has tried this one before, you are a unique and special snowflak!


Having an opinion other than your own, does not make someone a troll.


Asking for the reasons while they have been pointed out in great detail over and over again can easily be seen as trolling though.

Now if he actually had an argument other then I like it, I don't understand why you are butthurt. I t would have been different.

Modifié par Gruzmog, 25 mars 2012 - 12:17 .


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HenchxNarf wrote...

Oh, and the anti-ending crowd is SO much more civil, right? 


Not really, there are some bad eggs in the anti-ending crowd.

This is still a blatant trolling thread though, and trying to defend it is all kinds of laughable.

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Totec wrote...

First off, thank you to those that posted links to clarifying posts and articles. I read a few and it does help me sort of flesh out the general community's reaction even if I don't agree with the dissatisfaction.

I truly wasn't trying to troll. I guess after all the screaming I've been hearing for the past few weeks I was bracing myself for a ground shaking turd of an ending so I was genuinely surprised that I found it a fitting conclusion.



I think it all comes down to the expectations one has. With all the information gathered that Bioware provided us via Twitter, forum posts, interviews in magazines and more expectations were really high. I had hoped for more decisions like in the suicide mission at the end of ME2 and more space battle.

But my main problem with the ME3 ending are these plotholes - obviously missing scenes that explain what is happening. I couldn't take the ending seriously because it felt strange - for me like a dream of a death near Shepard. I don't understand why TIM is able to control Shepard and Anderson, I don't understand why Shepard is believing what the star child says - after all he is responsible for the Reapers and therefore, an enemy. And many other strange things that were already adressed by the people believing the indoctrination theory is true. I doubt that, but they show several plotholes and strange happenings that make the end feels strange for me (like Shepard shooting Anderson and afterwards bleeding at the same spot?).... and for me that is not how the end of a brilliant game should feel, it should be satisfying, epic like ME1 and ME2, even with so much tragic and death around you.

And having the Normandy stranding on a possibly far away system was in my opinion unnecessary and left a bad taste as people that are attached to their Shepard, his/her LI and friends are worrying about the fate of those beloved characters.

After all: I and many others played Shepard in ME1, ME2 and ME3 building relationships and to see it end like that just hurts. And it opens more questions than answering them and we were promised several times by Bioware that all questions would be answered.

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tjmax wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

alx119 wrote...

And focusing their angriness in doing something good for the children. I don't see the people who "loved" the endings focusing their happiness towards a better goal. 

Many accept the fact that there's a few who liked the endings, they just question the reasons. 


And then the charity had to change it's rules due in part to a high number of people demanding their money back when they realised the money was going to sick kids and not into changing the ending.


I think thats all nonsense.
 I think its the people who claim to be on the moral highground pointing their fingers at the drive that actually did that to prove a point, People where donating out of the kindness of their hearts, and some sick twisted people had to ruin it for the kids. People do very immoral things to try to prove their point and don't care that they hurt the children along the way.


Actually, they were exploiting sick children in the name of charity. Trying to further their personal cause and make bioware see how much money they're losing.

The whole "charity" movement hurt the kids. Yeah, they got the money -- at least some of it.

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Because the majority of users on here are under the age of 21 and have never had a civilized debate in their lives and are only hating on the ending because so many other people are and think it's a society norm

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HenchxNarf wrote...

KroganShields wrote...

Most of the time whenever you see a person who 'loved' the ending, all they do is bash, call us whiners and entitled and give retarded answers in return to our questions towards them. 

Basically, Bioware fanboys.



Oh, and the anti-ending crowd is SO much more civil, right? 


There are legitimate whiners and trolls on BOTH sides. I've talked to people in the pro-ending crowd that were quite civil and willing to discuss their views amicably. I've also talked to plenty that sit on their haughty high horse and lecture me about "art."

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I played ME 1 9 times, ME 2 6 times and ME 3 so far 2 times. I'd wager I am quite immersed in the ME lore. And my initial reaction cant even be put into words. I was so emotionally frustrated, anything that has come up so far was merely an attempt to rationalize it. Bottom line: I am incredibly butthurt. The game has lost a lot of its replayability to me.

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Admiral H. Cain wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

alx119 wrote...

And focusing their angriness in doing something good for the children. I don't see the people who "loved" the endings focusing their happiness towards a better goal. 

Many accept the fact that there's a few who liked the endings, they just question the reasons. 


And then the charity had to change it's rules due in part to a high number of people demanding their money back when they realised the money was going to sick kids and not into changing the ending.


That's a blatant lie. 

From 
http://www.escapistm...-Donation-Drive 

"The decision [to stop the donations] was made at the request of Child's Play, not because the charity was unhappy with the drive but because of mistaken assumptions of a connection between it and RetakeMass Effect[/i], and the potential slippery slope the donation drive creates."[Child's Play] pointed out that several sources are incorrectly assuming a link between the charity and the petition, or outright support of the petition by the charity. This has been the source of some difficulty for them, and it has been requested that we wind this effort down," the founder, going by the name Robb, wrote. "Again, I want to stress that the charity is not unhappy with our work, they are exceptionally pleased with what we have accomplished."


From the co-founder:


As the main point of contact for Child’s Play, Jamie has been buried
under mail about this situation.  Apparently some of the people giving
to the cause seemed to think that they were paying for a new ending to
Mass Effect. She’s been asked what the goal is, and how much they need
to raise in order to get the ending produced. We’ve also been contacted
by PayPal due to a high number of people asking for their donations
back.
  This is in addition to readers who simply couldn’t understand how
this was connected to Child’s Play’s mission.  We were dealing with a
lot of very confused people, more every day, and that told us we had a
problem.

We have policies in place to deal with direct abuse: we don’t allow
companies to use Child’s Play in order to sell more stuff.  To that end
we do not allow deals like “1 cent of every dollar goes to Child’s
Play!” or whatever.  But this isn’t anywhere on that continuum!  This is
a passionate community that formed around one thing, and some of that
passion was expressed in charitable giving.  I actually support this
cause, but I am a pessimist, and I’m thinking about the next time
something like this happens - when someone attaches Child’s Play to
something we can’t get behind, or leverages your history of generosity
and fellow feeling for their own weird bull****.  So, we need to have
something like a policy on this.  This is the best way I can think to
say it:

Child’s Play cannot be a tool to draw attention to a cause.  Child’s Play must be the Cause.

Nothing like this has ever happened in the almost ten years the charity
has been running, so it kind of threw me for a loop.  Thanks for
listening.

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Most who lash out with insults do so in a attempt to make the larger issue seem smaller than it is.
Or deny the issue exists.

Often, make claims that have no facts backing them up, in hopes others will take the claims at face value.


Nothing wrong with liking or disliking the game as it is. We can share ideas & thoughts without bashing each other. Everyone has the right to thier own opinion, and each is equally valid.

When you to the point of grasping at anything, in order to make the other view look bad, its just childish.
the type of beahvior/argument you would fgind on a 5th grade playground.

Theres no need to resort to this, or keep feeding the fire.
I guess what Im getting at is dont feed the obvious trolls.

Modifié par jess05, 25 mars 2012 - 12:20 .