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[jess05]

Dav3VsTh3World wrote...

Because the majority of users on here are under the age of 21 and have never had a civilized debate in their lives and are only hating on the ending because so many other people are and think it's a society norm

Actually there was a poll here (wish I could find it) that was showing most were in the 26-35 area  that disliked the end.
.. if I recall correctly.

21 and under was the Minority, and I seem to think most liked it ..

Wish I could find it.

Modifié par jess05, 25 mars 2012 - 12:28 .

[Clayless]

RLesueur wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Actually it's from the co-founder.

If you read all of Tycho's post he quite clearly says he supports our cause.

That's correct.

He also says they've been contacted by paypal because a high number of people demanded their money back.

[Talogrungi]

If you expect a horrible ending, the impact of the crappy one is less hurtful.

When you expect an epic ending and you get .. what we got; that's the pain right there.

The ending wasn't artful; it was rushed and nonsensical. We already knows that 90% of it was cut out due to time constraints and that they would have liked to do way more and provide us the ending that we crave. Claiming that it's artful is just denial.

[Warden130]

Both sides seem equally bad to me.

[Gruzmog]

He said het got more mails each day, that can mean enything between tens and hundreds. As my opinion of people is not 'that' low yet, ill assume 10's as yoju are assuming 1000's it seems.

AKA we don't know

[Dragoonlordz]

KroganShields wrote...

alx119 wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

So far the retake movement has been using deceit, wanting to sue Bioware, giving the game 0/10, comparing it
to getting their mother raped, wanting people to be fired, calling for  the company to collapse, making threads about how to get your money back that's full of praise and support, demanding their money back from a charity and forcing it to change it's rules, the list goes on and on. Heck if you ask them why they're overreacting so much they call you a troll:

RLesueur wrote...

Wow, totally new and original trolling attempt here. No one has tried this one before, you are a unique and special snowflak!

Don't bother. There's no talking to these people.

And focusing their angriness in doing something good for the children. I don't see the people who "loved" the endings focusing their happiness towards a better goal. 

Many accept the fact that there's a few who liked the endings, they just question the reasons. 

Most of the time whenever you see a person who 'loved' the ending, all they do is bash, call us whiners and entitled and give retarded answers in return to our questions towards them. 

Basically, Bioware fanboys.

Other  way around thanks. In fact your very reply proves this to be the case being you are bashing the other side.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 25 mars 2012 - 12:31 .

[alx119]

sadako wrote...

I'm so mad I'm going to donate to kids!
OMG those poor kids, they're getting aid from angry people.

I think the donation is better than what some of the people here do, which is being mad and abusive.
Considering they used charity to vent their dissatisfaction, I think it's a good idea. Even during donation is it mentioned that regardless of what happened, the money will go to the children.

Why don't the people who argue the Keep ME3 endings do the same. C'mon, don't be cheapskate! The kids are on the winning end here. Oh wait, 'holier than thou' attitude is prevalent here.

Thank you! 

[Joeybsmooth4]

Dridengx wrote...

Totec wrote...

First off, thank you to those that posted links to clarifying posts and articles. I read a few and it does help me sort of flesh out the general community's reaction even if I don't agree with the dissatisfaction.

I truly wasn't trying to troll..

You had a different opinion than them. That qualifies you as a troll these days. I agree there is no reason to be butthurt or do half the things they have done over this game the last few weeks, but I suppose even if you gather a bunch of minorities together they can still do damage.. unfortunately the damage wasn't to Bioware.. it was to gamers in the society's eye.

Please take a look at the polls. It is not a minoity that dislikes this game's ending . Also when you use terms like butthurt you come off as a troll  no matter what said you are on.

[RLesueur]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

RLesueur wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Actually it's from the co-founder.

If you read all of Tycho's post he quite clearly says he supports our cause.

That's correct.

He also says they've been contacted by paypal because a high number of people demanded their money back.

That's also correct. He gives no substantiation to what a high number of people is. Having worked with paypal, they usually contact if the number reaches double digits.

So we can assume it's at least 10 people, out of 4000.

[Dragoonlordz]

Warden130 wrote...

Both sides seem equally bad to me.

There are bad elements on both side true, but given more people hate the ending on this site than like it the numbers are tilted in favor of the ones who hate it being the most in quantity who are attacking the other side.

[KroganShields]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

KroganShields wrote...

alx119 wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

So far the retake movement has been using deceit, wanting to sue Bioware, giving the game 0/10, comparing it
to getting their mother raped, wanting people to be fired, calling for  the company to collapse, making threads about how to get your money back that's full of praise and support, demanding their money back from a charity and forcing it to change it's rules, the list goes on and on. Heck if you ask them why they're overreacting so much they call you a troll:

RLesueur wrote...

Wow, totally new and original trolling attempt here. No one has tried this one before, you are a unique and special snowflak!

Don't bother. There's no talking to these people.

And focusing their angriness in doing something good for the children. I don't see the people who "loved" the endings focusing their happiness towards a better goal. 

Many accept the fact that there's a few who liked the endings, they just question the reasons. 

Most of the time whenever you see a person who 'loved' the ending, all they do is bash, call us whiners and entitled and give retarded answers in return to our questions towards them. 

Basically, Bioware fanboys.

Other  way around thanks. In fact your very reply proves this to be the case being you are bashing the other side and giving a retarded answer.

... What? If you don't have anything smart to say just don't say it.
Jesus, you people are desperate fanboys.

[Joeybsmooth4]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

So far the retake movement has been using deceit, wanting to sue Bioware, giving the game 0/10, comparing it
to getting their mother raped, wanting people to be fired, calling for  the company to collapse, making threads about how to get your money back that's full of praise and support, demanding their money back from a charity and forcing it to change it's rules, the list goes on and on. Heck if you ask them why they're overreacting so much they call you a troll:

RLesueur wrote...

Wow, totally new and original trolling attempt here. No one has tried this one before, you are a unique and special snowflak!

Don't bother. There's no talking to these people.

I love how you take the action of the few  "comparing to being raped " for example when most people have not done that, also going to lying. The closing thing some did to sueing was talking to the FTC. That is not sueinng someone . Also when you talk about how to get thier money back .. people were promised something that they did not get. There is no reason at all not to ask for thier money back . Maybe you have 60-80 bucks to waste on a lie but everyone does not not .

[Fame-KIllz]

lol some people defend Bioware like the company was of their own creation

[tjmax]

HenchxNarf wrote...

tjmax wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

alx119 wrote...

And focusing their angriness in doing something good for the children. I don't see the people who "loved" the endings focusing their happiness towards a better goal. 

Many accept the fact that there's a few who liked the endings, they just question the reasons. 

And then the charity had to change it's rules due in part to a high number of people demanding their money back when they realised the money was going to sick kids and not into changing the ending.

I think thats all nonsense.
 I think its the people who claim to be on the moral highground pointing their fingers at the drive that actually did that to prove a point, People where donating out of the kindness of their hearts, and some sick twisted people had to ruin it for the kids. People do very immoral things to try to prove their point and don't care that they hurt the children along the way.

Actually, they were exploiting sick children in the name of charity. Trying to further their personal cause and make bioware see how much money they're losing.

The whole "charity" movement hurt the kids. Yeah, they got the money -- at least some of it.

How is donaiting money exploiting children.. cause you say its so? 

Thoose folks never contacted the media, they are not the ones making a big deal out of it. It was not till the game rags started in on the protesters and bringing those facts up till anything got notice. They pointed out the chairity to the rest of the world with their negitive spin on what was really going on. 

Then the real media started getting involved making the game rags look like fools.

 Penny Arcade them selfs pressured to have the drive shut down. Then people started attacking the chairity with the intent to get the drive shut down making small donations and retracting them back, sending hate mail to the chairity and asking when the update is coming..

The chairity and drive orginizers has no choice to shut it down. it was causing real life issues cause people are mean spirited.

Real life is full of misguided individuals, like anti-abortionists killing doctors cause they think they are doing the "right" thing.


anyway thats totally off the real topic and thats about why peoples butts hurt.

[HenchxNarf]

tjmax wrote...

How is donaiting money exploiting children.. cause you say its so? 

Thoose folks never contacted the media, they are not the ones making a big deal out of it. It was not till the game rags started in on the protesters and bringing those facts up till anything got notice. They pointed out the chairity to the rest of the world with their negitive spin on what was really going on. 

Then the real media started getting involved making the game rags look like fools.

 Penny Arcade them selfs pressured to have the drive shut down. Then people started attacking the chairity with the intent to get the drive shut down making small donations and retracting them back, sending hate mail to the chairity and asking when the update is coming..

The chairity and drive orginizers has no choice to shut it down. it was causing real life issues cause people are mean spirited.

Real life is full of misguided individuals, like anti-abortionists killing doctors cause they think they are doing the "right" thing.


anyway thats totally off the real topic and thats about why peoples butts hurt.

Penny Arcade created CP, so why would they do that? Your logic is seriously flawed.

[Dragoonlordz]

KroganShields wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

KroganShields wrote...

Most of the time whenever you see a person who 'loved' the ending, all they do is bash, call us whiners and entitled and give retarded answers in return to our questions towards them. 

Basically, Bioware fanboys.

Other  way around thanks. In fact your very reply proves this to be the case being you are bashing the other side.

... What? If you don't have anything smart to say just don't say it.
Jesus, you people are desperate fanboys.

You don't get to use that given your reply I responded to underlined. Your very comment by it's nature which is underlined was the opposite of smart. The latter half of which was an insult, as far as smart goes you have no ground to stand on. If you responded in a smart way to begin with I would not have felt the need to address you in the first place.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 25 mars 2012 - 12:37 .

[jess05]

I'm curious.

For those that are happy with everything, and believe the game meet all the expectations ..

Can you defend any of these claims?

Modifié par jess05, 25 mars 2012 - 12:37 .

[RLesueur]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Penny Arcade created CP, so why would they do that? Your logic is seriously flawed.

Tycho explained why, they were concerned about future causes they did not agree with attaching themselves to childs play.

Do you only read the stuff that agrees with what you say or something?

[Alexraptor1]

What all about all of those wealthy rich people that exploit charities so they can pay less taxes? Why isn't anyone complaining about them?

[ScotGaymer]

Dragoonlordz wrote...


Other  way around thanks. In fact your very reply proves this to be the case being you are bashing the other side and giving a retarded answer.

I don't disagree that there are some nasty people out there calling themselves Retakers who are doing nothing but bashing and trolling. No one has ever denied that.

I think the guys point was that while most people on the Retake side of things have been civil and could put out their arguements in a logical and friendly manner, he has yet to find a pro-ender who has been able to coherently explain why they liked the ending without hand waving.
Most of the pro-enders seem to resort to "The ending! Its Artistic! If you don't get that then you are a big stupidhead!"

Even you, someone whom I know to be a reasonable and forthright person, couldn't and hasn't explained the ending adequately. IMO.
I read your post on the matter and even though it was civil & thoughtful, it read to me like you were simply handwaving the problem away because you love Mass Effect and want to love Mass Effect 3, and don't want the end to ruin the whole thing for you.

Which is just fine. You are entitled to your opinion, and I really AM glad that you like the ending. I do wish that I did, but alas being an amateur writer I find the plot holes, and sudden change of narrative style to be very jarring to the point of it being ruinous of the entire plot line of the entire trilogy.

The only thing that gets me about your criticism of the Retakers movement is that you slagged off Dragon Age 2 for many of the same things that you enjoy/handwave away in Mass Effect 3. And that I just can not understand or agree with.
I mean Dragon Age 2's ending sucked because it lacked choice and consequence. But at least it made sense within the context of the game and the universe even if it did completely suck.

[tjmax]

HenchxNarf wrote...

tjmax wrote...

How is donaiting money exploiting children.. cause you say its so? 

Thoose folks never contacted the media, they are not the ones making a big deal out of it. It was not till the game rags started in on the protesters and bringing those facts up till anything got notice. They pointed out the chairity to the rest of the world with their negitive spin on what was really going on. 

Then the real media started getting involved making the game rags look like fools.

 Penny Arcade them selfs pressured to have the drive shut down. Then people started attacking the chairity with the intent to get the drive shut down making small donations and retracting them back, sending hate mail to the chairity and asking when the update is coming..

The chairity and drive orginizers has no choice to shut it down. it was causing real life issues cause people are mean spirited.

Real life is full of misguided individuals, like anti-abortionists killing doctors cause they think they are doing the "right" thing.


anyway thats totally off the real topic and thats about why peoples butts hurt.

Penny Arcade created CP, so why would they do that? Your logic is seriously flawed.

Its not logic its complete fact that penny arcade wanted and had a hand in forcing the drive to shut down. Search the forums once there is a ton of evidence with the links to what really happened.

[MassiveEffects]

There are countless problems with the endings, all of which have been pointed out a thousand times before. And quite frankly, while Shepard's death would be far, far down on the list of problems if sorted by the magnitute of the problem, I'd still argue that he/she fits the "epic hero" archetype a lot better than the "tragic hero" archetype, and as such giving him/her a tragic hero's ending (or, rather, preventing him from getting an epic hero's ending in even the "best ending", the closest thing to that only being someone in N7 armor taking half a breath before the credits roll) seems rather out of place to me. Still, far from the biggest problem with the ending.

Modifié par MassiveEffects, 25 mars 2012 - 12:48 .

[Dragoonlordz]

jess05 wrote...

I'm curious.

For those that are happy with everything, and believe the game meet all the expectations ..

Can you defend any of these claims?

I have no intention of replying to someone or something that couldn't be bothered to take the time to ask his or herself. If you have a question ask it. if I feel like answering I might do so dependant on how much you are projecting your issues onto me in order to somehow diminish my stance that I enjoyed the ending. If it is a question answered before I will tell you to use the search function top of the page. So balls in your court.

[Computron2000]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

RLesueur wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Actually it's from the co-founder.

If you read all of Tycho's post he quite clearly says he supports our cause.

That's correct.

He also says they've been contacted by paypal because a high number of people demanded their money back.

http://www.forbes.co...ke-mass-effect/


Child’s Play representative Jamie Dillion
It’s true that we received some negative feedback about the RTM fundraiser, but the real issue that it brought to light was our policy surrounding attaching other, unrelated causes to child’s play. What RTM was doing was very cool and an amazing show what an active community can do, but we were concerned about the slippery slope. For instance, if someone were to create a “support (insert cause X) by donating to child’s play,” you can see how this could cause issues for us.
So our discussion with the RTM folks had little to do with the specifics of their cause, but rather a policy issue we needed to address around fundraisers in general.”

Modifié par Computron2000, 25 mars 2012 - 12:43 .

[HenchxNarf]

tjmax wrote...

Its not logic its complete fact that penny arcade wanted and had a hand in forcing the drive to shut down. Search the forums once there is a ton of evidence with the links to what really happened.

Penny Arcade created Child's Play. They didn't want someone using the children to bring light to a cause. That doesn't mean that PA would sabotage their own charity because they don't agree with the movement. That's ridiculous.

They have larger donators that they didn't want to damage the relationships with them, which I understand.