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[RLesueur]

Computron2000 wrote...

http://www.forbes.co...ke-mass-effect/

FYI, this is the lovely response I got from Jamie at Childs Play when I wrote a brief email to her apologising for anyone that was asking for their money back and any hassle caused to them by the Retake Mass Effect movement:

Hi Robyn, 

Thank you so much for reaching out. I'm so
grateful for the many community members willing to keep an open mind
and have a dialogue with us about the choices we make. Your donations
will make a hugely positive impact on kids that are otherwise scared,
frustrated and in pain, and at the end of the day that's what is most
important. We greatly appreciate your support, and you have my sincere
thanks.

Warm regards,
Jamie

It's almost as if she doesn't think we're horrible people exploting children.

Modifié par RLesueur, 25 mars 2012 - 12:43 .

[jess05]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

jess05 wrote...

I'm curious.

For those that are happy with everything, and believe the game meet all the expectations ..

Can you defend any of these claims?

I have no intention of replying to someone or something that couldn't be bothered to take the time to ask his or herself. If you have a question ask it. if I feel like answering I might do so dependant on how much you are projecting your issues onto me in order to somehow diminish my stance that I enjoyed the ending. If it is a question answered before I will tell you to use the search function top of the page. So balls in your court.

Its understandable. There is no plausible defense, and that was the point.

[HenchxNarf]

Edit: Totally not worth it to explain to people who don't understand what they're doing.

Modifié par HenchxNarf, 25 mars 2012 - 12:45 .

[Dragoonlordz]

FitScotGaymer wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...


Other  way around thanks. In fact your very reply proves this to be the case being you are bashing the other side and giving a retarded answer.

I don't disagree that there are some nasty people out there calling themselves Retakers who are doing nothing but bashing and trolling. No one has ever denied that.

I think the guys point was that while most people on the Retake side of things have been civil and could put out their arguements in a logical and friendly manner, he has yet to find a pro-ender who has been able to coherently explain why they liked the ending without hand waving.
Most of the pro-enders seem to resort to "The ending! Its Artistic! If you don't get that then you are a big stupidhead!"

Even you, someone whom I know to be a reasonable and forthright person, couldn't and hasn't explained the ending adequately. IMO.
I read your post on the matter and even though it was civil & thoughtful, it read to me like you were simply handwaving the problem away because you love Mass Effect and want to love Mass Effect 3, and don't want the end to ruin the whole thing for you.

Which is just fine. You are entitled to your opinion, and I really AM glad that you like the ending. I do wish that I did, but alas being an amateur writer I find the plot holes, and sudden change of narrative style to be very jarring to the point of it being ruinous of the entire plot line of the entire trilogy.

The only thing that gets me about your criticism of the Retakers movement is that you slagged off Dragon Age 2 for many of the same things that you enjoy/handwave away in Mass Effect 3. And that I just can not understand or agree with.
I mean Dragon Age 2's ending sucked because it lacked choice and consequence. But at least it made sense within the context of the game and the universe even if it did completely suck.

I never asked for changes or demanded such either to the core game because it would of been pointless as the entire game did not feel was catered towards my tastes (from what I recall), I did however leave feedback for the next title. I stated it simply was not sort of game I enjoyed and therefore my interest in it and direction it took was not something I was interested in personally and that I would of prefered more inline with a dragon age origins approach but meh such is life, I actually own two copies now.

As for your first statement the problem lays in that the people who dislike the ending outnumber the ones that do, therefore even if most (or I think many is more accurate) of those who dislike it are civil the size of the population on that side of the fence still leaves the ones who are uncivil outnumbering the ones who liked the endings.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 25 mars 2012 - 12:49 .

[RLesueur]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Uh. Because they get the money no matter what. Of course she's not going to say it. But normal, outside looking in kind of people don't have to filter themselves. And I've heard more than my share of people who hold the same belief as I do.

Now you're starting to get it, regardless of what people like you might say or think, the children got this money. That is a good thing.

[RLesueur]

oops.

Modifié par RLesueur, 25 mars 2012 - 12:46 .

[DarkBladeX98]

I love the ARTFUL argument.
Red, Green, and Blue alone cannot make art.

Also the total lack of explanation after the relays get destroyed didn't bother you, not even a little??
Yay! I killed the reapers. Wait, now all the relays blew up? Didn't that just kill everyone I saved??


Also don't forget this meme.

Yo dawg I heard you didn't wanna get killed by synthetics
so I made some synthetics to kill you every 50k years so you won't be killed by synthetics.

[tjmax]

HenchxNarf wrote...

tjmax wrote...

Its not logic its complete fact that penny arcade wanted and had a hand in forcing the drive to shut down. Search the forums once there is a ton of evidence with the links to what really happened.

Penny Arcade created Child's Play. They didn't want someone using the children to bring light to a cause. That doesn't mean that PA would sabotage their own charity because they don't agree with the movement. That's ridiculous.

They have larger donators that they didn't want to damage the relationships with them, which I understand.

Penny Arcade is one of the first gaming site that brought to light the fact that the gamers where sponcering a charity. They where also one of the first to give it a negitive spin. The initial people who had made and participated  did so with the intentions to turn around being upset into something positive for gamers and the gaming community with no expectations.

The media twisted that into something evil and so yes it absolutly needed to be shut down because of that. 

[Saul Iscariot]

I feel, for the most part, that the game delivered. I see many moments in the two games I played (PS3 gamer so missed the first one ) paying homage to many scenes in sci fi classics on tv and film. The ending also is very reminiscent of several shows.

But reading the article about 5 reasons, I can see why fans feel let down by it. What was promised wasn't delivered, how the game deviated from the structures that make the game such a winner, all these things matter. I'd say the cut scene with Joker simply needed a few more entries, like Shepard saying get the hell out of there, too make sense of it.

DarkBladeX98 wrote...

I love the ARTFUL argument.
Red, Green, and Blue alone cannot make art.

Lol, it is a work of creativity, sure designed to make a profit, but it is a work of art none the less. I wonder how many gamers are complaining from the UK? It would be interesting if Bioware caved in to fan demands and put out a more sensible ending that pleased the fans, but refused to in the UK. In the UK it is law that an artist can demand that there work not feature any editorial decisions that don't comply with the creators vision.

Modifié par Saul Iscariot, 25 mars 2012 - 12:54 .

[1337Goblin]

I'm sure even a dumb person could comprehend why people would not like the ending.

[Elyiia]

The charity was shut down because they didn't want it to be used for "other" causes that might be less moral. Not because of the cause itself. They were protecting themselves from future problems and I'm fine with that.

As for the refunds, Paypal contacts them if they have double digits. So over 10. That could have been anything from people legitimately wanting their money back to people making small donations then demanding a refund to put negative light on the Retake Movement.

Modifié par Elyiia, 25 mars 2012 - 12:55 .

[Saul Iscariot]

1337Goblin wrote...

I'm sure even a dumb person could comprehend why people would not like the ending.

Are you inferring I am dumb?

[jess05]

Elyiia wrote...

As for the refunds, Paypal contacts them if they have double digits. So over 10. That could have been anything from people legitimately wanting their money back to people making small donations then demanding a refund to put negative light on the Retake Movement.

Exactlly.
To assume its all the Retake people is speculation.

[RedNanaki]

OP probably went to bed a long time ago, guys. Right now this is just another retakers vs pro-enders thread...

[appleyum]

Give it a few hrs and let the ending sink in and you will figure out the problem with it.

If that doesn't help just watch this. It covers the major problems..and there are more.

[RLesueur]

Saul Iscariot wrote...

1337Goblin wrote...

I'm sure even a dumb person could comprehend why people would not like the ending.

Are you inferring I am dumb?

I thought you were a good example of someone who liked the ending because they liked it and weren't just saying they liked it in a rude way to troll.

[agathokakological]

Can't tell if troll... or just hates good things.

[majormajormmajor]

OP has been reported. I suggest everyone do the same.

[Lukanp]

What distubs me most is the fact, that I find it difficult to respond to topics like this without eventually losing my composure :/

Modifié par Lukanp, 25 mars 2012 - 01:15 .

[majormajormmajor]

^ Reported. I am on a roll.

"Opinions that disagree with yours are not "troll" posts. Trolling has a pretty specific definition on the internet, though lately it has come to mean "anything I don't like" or "anything that disagrees wtih me," wihich is incorrect." - Stanley Woo

[Iwillbeback]

Saul Iscariot wrote...

1337Goblin wrote...

I'm sure even a dumb person could comprehend why people would not like the ending.

Are you inferring I am dumb?

Depends on you.

[AlexMBrennan]

and my tendencies toward alt-itis.

gibbed

[Lukanp]

Double post. Del.

Modifié par Lukanp, 25 mars 2012 - 01:12 .

[killnoob]

OK, i have prepared a list of reply you will be getting, OP:

A) you are a not true fan
you are too stupid to understand there are tons of "PLOTHOLES"
C) you are being paid by Bioware/EA
D) you love playing immature brainless FPS/action game

[OchreJelly]

Ahh, the internet, where the path of understanding others is begun with insults and continued with broad generalizations, stopping for a picnic with strawmen here and there. \\o/