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[Olive Oomph]

That is why the "hero-sexual" or "all-bi" romance system is the best way to go for a video game like that. It allows the writers to focus on a small number of LIs and write good and satisfying romances for them and allow equal choice for everybody. Sexual orientation should be treated as an irrelevant character trait in those chose characters.

Modifié par Olive Oomph, 08 avril 2012 - 02:25 .

[SilentK]

Olive Oomph wrote...

That is why the "hero-sexual" or "all-bi" romance system is the best way to go for a video game like that. It allows the writers to focus on a small number of LIs and write good and satisfying romances for them and allow equal choice for everybody. Sexual orientation should be treated as an irrelevant character trait in those chose characters.

I'm starting to think that is a very good game-mechanic as well. A fewer nr of LI:s but they will all be relevant to the plot and all of them will get air-time. Oki, perhaps a little less "realistic" but really, I don't care what goes on in anyone elses game if I can have companions who have time in the game and good convos.

Hero-sexual, lol =)

[RPGmom28]

Female IRL. I thought Vega was smokin' hot and was really miffed we didn't get him since Jacob unofficially dumped femshep and Thane died. It would have been at least an attempt at a peace offering. I've gotten sort of used to female players like me being blown off.

[mopotter]

Personally I don't want the option to romance everyone in the game. I've played Fable, even Skyrim and I don't care for one size fits all relationships. I'd much rather have maybe 6 romance options with a really good story and character development. 2 straight, 2 same sex and 2 bi-sexual. Just me, but as long as people are stating preferences, this is mine. I would like to have more options for a friendship path with anyone on the team, romance or not. They did a good job with Liara's friendship path and I'd like to see this in future games.

For ME3, I'm inclined to think most everyone, with maybe one or two exceptions, who had a LI from ME2 got messed up. Thane's death doesn't bother me as much as the lack of conversation time and that hospital make out session. Jacob however - I liked Jacob, but I deleted that Shepard, not even going to go there.

[Olive Oomph]

mopotter wrote...

Personally I don't want the option to romance everyone in the game.

Neither do most people, who argue against gender checks in romances. This is a quite common, but wrong assumption. It's not just about want we want, it's about giving everyone the same choices.
We are not talking about romancing everyone in the game, we are talking about having those characters, who are written as LIs available to be romanced by a player character of either gender.
Personally I don't want the option to romance male characters in the game, but I want choice for those who do, too.

mopotter wrote...
don't care for one size fits all relationships. I'd much rather have maybe 6 romance options with a really good story and character development. 2 straight, 2 same sex and 2 bi-sexual.

Most romances are already one size fits all, with gender being basically the only limitation not resulting from in-game choices and sexual orientation could be an important character trait, if the story demanded it, but it does not and should not, since the main focus of the games is something completely different.
Given limited ressources in game design, having to write a story and character development for less LIs in total should theoretically result in a better story and development for each and since sexual orientation has no impact on the story it should remain irrelevant in the writing.
I am a proud lesbian and IRL my orientation is important to me, but I am quite happy, if I can play my pc as a lesbian and having choices makes that much more interesting and fun than some misguided notion of exclusivity regarding LIs. Of course, it would be great, if we could have both, but the reality of game design is that you can't have everything. 
When you try to realize both, choice and ecxlusivety, then you end up with less defined characters and romances, "one-size-fits-all characters", because you have to stretch your ressources to cover more characters in total and you can write interesting stories and different individual character developments without making a big deal out of sexual orientation, so not having gender checks in romances doesn't automatically mean the story and character development suffers rom it. Of course in the end it all depends on the skill of the writer.

Modifié par Olive Oomph, 08 avril 2012 - 04:57 .

[jlb524]

Olive Oomph wrote...
Most romances are already one size fits all, with gender being basically the only limitation not resulting from in-game choices and sexual orientation could be an important character trait, if the story demanded it, but it does not and should not, since the main focus of the games is something completely different.

Indeed.  There are many different FemSheps out there but her romance with Liara plays out pretty much the same for each.  I have two very different FemSheps but their in-game romance with Liara is identical,  However, I experience it differently for each of them b/c of how I roleplay them....my one Shepard's declaration of "I love you" felt way different from the others because the former Shepard was a player who thought she would never settle down.

I've found when people make this 'one size fits all' comment it's in regards to just gender...so I wonder why that is so important while other character attributes aren't (like, morality...why can't Renegade FemShep have a very different Liara romance?)

[mesmerizedish]

SilentK wrote...

A fewer nr of LI:s but they will all be relevant to the plot and all of them will get air-time.

Bolded something that should be true of ALL companions.

Heaven forbid we get another Fenris.

[K_Tabris]

Why is Kaidan being bisexual a problem? His romance is awesome enough to make up for the lack of love for a sadly straight FemShep.

And the endings are bad enough to make anyone with taste swear off the series forever. Problem solved!

[SilentNukee]

As far as I know from the BSN and real life, most hardcore gamer girls are at least bisexual, myself included. Yes some males play FemShep but not all of them romance another woman. In ME3 you can get Paramour with Traynor/Liara and Kaidan/Garrus, I think 50/50 is good.

[K_Tabris]

^^

That's about right. I mean, they are going to cater to the majority.

[Hadeedak]

I'm just going to say I've never cared for the Liara romance (have I mentioned how YOUNG I am? Here, let me talk about it again!), and Traynor just seems like a lost puppy. If they want me to romance girls on my girls, Samara and Ash and Jack and Tali should be options, not the cute wittle angles. REAL WOMEN. WITH SHOTGUNS.

That's just my opinion, though, no need to go spreading it around.

And yeah, it'd be nice if Thane netted an achievement and an extra conversation, even if he has to die. And it'd be nice if the Jacob breakup didn't make everyone sound bipolarcrazy (the fact that it happens also sucks).

However. The girls get Garrus. Who has one of the best archs in game, and is the ONLY character to get a dipsmooch. Way better than blue or the Virmire survivor.... Once again, personal tastes. But I don't want to run every femShep smack into Garrus. 

Modifié par Hadeedak, 08 avril 2012 - 05:50 .

[Neria Rose]

Hadeedak wrote...

I'm just going to say I've never cared for the Liara romance (have I mentioned how YOUNG I am? Here, let me talk about it again!), and Traynor just seems like a lost puppy. If they want me to romance girls on my girls, Samara and Ash and Jack and Tali should be options, not the cute wittle angles. REAL WOMEN. WITH SHOTGUNS.

That's just my opinion, though, no need to go spreading it around.

And yeah, it'd be nice if Thane netted an achievement and an extra conversation, even if he has to die. And it'd be nice if the Jacob breakup didn't make everyone sound bipolarcrazy (the fact that it happens also sucks).

However. The girls get Garrus. Who has one of the best archs in game, and is the ONLY character to get a dipsmooch. Way better than blue or the Virmire survivor.... Once again, personal tastes. But I don't want to run every femShep smack into Garrus. 

This and this. While I can appreciate your average lovely woman, her face has to be stunningly gorgeous, her attitude and personality dominant and experienced, and her physical build stronger and/or bigger than mine in order for me to look past the lack of male parts since T&A on their own do nothing for me.

Modifié par Neria Rose, 08 avril 2012 - 06:07 .

[Hadeedak]

Honestly, I wouldn't appreciate Liara any more (AS A ROMANTIC INTEREST, SHE'S A GREAT FRIEND) or Thane less if they genderswapped. It's just the personalities of the characters that don't click with me (AS ROMANTIC INTERESTS, THEY REALLY ARE GREAT GIRLS). Pretty sure it wouldn't be different playing a male Shepard. What I like in women is the same thing I like in men -- toughness, competence, indepence and a sense of being equals.

[Daennikus]

Hadeedak wrote...

Honestly, I wouldn't appreciate Liara any more (AS A ROMANTIC INTEREST, SHE'S A GREAT FRIEND) or Thane less if they genderswapped. It's just the personalities of the characters that don't click with me (AS ROMANTIC INTERESTS, THEY REALLY ARE GREAT GIRLS). Pretty sure it wouldn't be different playing a male Shepard. What I like in women is the same thing I like in men -- toughness, competence, indepence and a sense of being equals.

I confirm that as Male Shepard, the only reason I'm hooking up with Liara on second playthrough is because I feel like being nice to her and it's a shame to see BroShep going it alone.

But as a person, Liara is too "deep" for me. Whatever she says, I go "meh" and think about other things while she's rambling about archeology. 
Liara would be a BFF and not a girlfriend...  I don't care about people's private lives (really, you'd be offended by my lack of interest) and with her long life she's carrying lots of baggage. Same with the other crew members (Garrus and Joker being the only dudes acting cool about everything). 

OK it's the end of the world but in my experience, that doesn't justify indulging romantic entanglements with people. It's a dignity thing, I guess. I wouldn't have hooked up with anyone either with a Female Shepard.

[Pappi]

I don't want to romance everyone but I was truly confused I could not romance James

[Daennikus]

Pappi wrote...

I don't want to romance everyone but I was truly confused I could not romance James

And he would have called you "Pappi"!

I kid, I kid 

[Pappi]

THAT WOULD HAVE MADE ME FART RAINBOWS IN HAPPINESS :3

[lunamoondragon]

 Even though I didn't like Jacob's romance arc much in ME2, I really didn't get why they'd have him cheat on you in ME3. It seemed so pointlessly thrown in there just to break Shep's heart.

Thane's poor treatment was terrible, but if you squint I guess it had a reason. (Kinda? ... Oh, who am I kidding.) He'd always been close to dying, and while I'm pissed we didn't get the chance to somehow save him (as was hinted plenty of times) I guess I was expecting his death to be a possibility.

Jacob's betrayal, on the other hand was just completely out of left field, and I think that people who romanced him at least deserved something. Even a super-brief, watered down romance scene would've been better than what they got. Poor Jacob fangirls...
I guess if they honestly had to do it though, I would've loved a renegade interrupt to slap him and tell him off. XD 

[lunamoondragon]

Pappi wrote...

I don't want to romance everyone but I was truly confused I could not romance James

I was surprised by that too. I saw so much potential for his romance too. A more laidback Shep could be total bros with him and flirt back and forth, while a more strict Shep could learn to loosen up a bit from him over time. 
Baaah, Bioware. Would've been a great shot for FemShep.

[Hadeedak]

There's also Allers and Chambers for femShep, but... Well. Kelly may have a better continuing romance than Thane or Jacob, but she's still in adorable sidekick territory for me. And Allers... I liked her more than I was expecting to, but there sure isn't much there. I was ALSO expecting her to be a bigger deal than she was.

[Carfax]

SilentNukee wrote...

As far as I know from the BSN and real life, most hardcore gamer girls are at least bisexual, myself included. Yes some males play FemShep but not all of them romance another woman. In ME3 you can get Paramour with Traynor/Liara and Kaidan/Garrus, I think 50/50 is good.

Dare I ask what evidence you have to back up your assertions that "most hardcore gamer girls are at least bisexual?"

Vast majority of people, men and women both are heterosexual, yet in your twisted logic, most gamer girls are bisexual? 

By far the majority of people on BSN I see pining for F/F aren't women, but guys..

[wildannie]

SilentNukee wrote...

As far as I know from the BSN and real life, most hardcore gamer girls are at least bisexual, myself included. Yes some males play FemShep but not all of them romance another woman. In ME3 you can get Paramour with Traynor/Liara and Kaidan/Garrus, I think 50/50 is good.

that's just silly, and I doubt it is the case, I am glad that there are choices for LGBT gamers  though