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[Naltair]

I support characters having their own lives and not modifying themselves to fit the desires of the players. That is half the fun of getting to know the characters.

[Shepard108278]

Sainta117 wrote...

alaska-the-1st wrote...

Sparatus wrote...

Someone will have to actually romance Allers to confirm whether or not she gives the paramour achievement.

No she doesn't and niether does Kelly.

Thanks for taking the bullet for us... I don't think anyone else wanted to have to go find out firsthand.

I guess I'm the only one that likes allers.

[akashacatbat]

Sainta117 wrote...

How did you forget Liara? She's the "canon" romance. She got you to Ilos, retrieved your body after death, and made you a legend. And also, mindsex?

I am convinced that she has a little ShepBaby stashed away somewhere, concieved during one of those times she probed your mind in ME1.

[Naltair]

Shepard108278 wrote...
I guess I'm the only one that likes allers.

I have no problem with Allers, she was fine in my book.

[DarkSpiral]

Joolazoo wrote...

Source is I played the game. Think for yourself for a second please...you are asking sources from me, but then say things yourself with no sources what so ever.[\\quote]

...like when I mentioned Pressely and the asari contract broker?  Those aren't sorces of the behavior I'm talking about?  I'm pretty sure they are.  Perhaps you could do the same.

You sighting an asari on Illium who you talk to for a minute and pressly proves you have no real paragon characters who are racist, specist, or xenophobic.

That makes no sense at all.  Please attempt to clarify your staement.  I have no characters?  As in I have no Shepards that are paragon and are also specist?  Yeah, probably true.  Most of those kinds of remarks are renegade choices.  No NPC characters that are specsist?  Well, it's a bit rough to decide iof Pressely or Sh or anyone els ethat isn't Shepard are reneagade or paragon since the game doesn't track that for anyone but Shepard.

Ashley=Still racist.

Nnnope.  Specist, maybe.

here's an example in game. Turian say "You humans are all racist". You can either say that the writers were mentally taking a dump during this or you could acknowledge the fact that racism is used to refer to different species in this game since there is no racism between humans in the ME lore. Not to mention having one of the main characters like ashley refer to it as racism should be all you need to know...please stop arguing for the sake of arguing.

Ah, good.  An actual example of incorrect grammar.  Specist is still the correct term.  *shrug*

As for the lack of racism between humans, I really don't see any evidence for that.  Source?  A lack of rasict staements is hardly proof that the attitude has been purged from human society in 175 (or so) years.

[Cobra's_back]

Sparatus wrote...

No.

Really, I think Femshep has enough lesbian romances. She needs more hetero ones. Girls actually play your games, Bioware. Straight ones!

+1

[KTheAlchemist]

Sparatus wrote...

No.

Really, I think Femshep has enough lesbian romances. She needs more hetero ones. Girls actually play your games, Bioware. Straight ones!

Gay girls play too!

Straight femsheps have had these options over the course of the series:

Kaidan Alenko (Bisexual in ME3, essentially "straight" during ME1 and ME2)
Garrus Vakarian (Straight)
Thane Krios (Straight)
Jacob Taylor (Straight)

Gay femsheps have had over the course of the series:

Liara T'Soni (Bisexual) (This is or isn't a "gay relationship" depending on when you ask Bioware...)
Kelly Chambers (Bisexual) (A quasi sideplot romance that seems to exist separately from any "primary" romance options, going so far as having other romance arcs not even conflict with it. It's probably not a coincidence that her RA didn't give you the Paramour Achievement.)
Samantha Traynor (Lesbian) (I like her, sadly she's only in ME3.)
Dianna Allers (Bisexual) (I don't think I need to leave any commentary on this one...)

So if I really stretch things ( I honestly consider Kelly a bit of a stretch and possibly Diana), we're at...exactly the same number of possible romance arc partners.

EDIT: As an addendum, Straight MaleSheps have had these options:

Liara T'Soni (Bisexual)
"Jack" (Straight)
Tali'Zorah (Straight)
Miranda Lawson (Straight)
Ashley Williams (Straight)
Kelly Chambers (Bisexual)
Diana Allers (Bisexual)

Gay MaleSheps have had these options:
Steven Cortez (Gay)
Kaidan Alenko (ME3 Only)

If anyone "needs more" it's the gay guys, but honestly this shouldn't be an Us vs. Them sort of discussion.

Modifié par KTheAlchemist, 26 mars 2012 - 04:59 .

[Mage One]

I was mostly surprised by Tali, really, not so much Ash. It lacks symmetry, I suppose, but it helps show they're not just replacements for each other. Also, Vega totally should have been romanceable by femshep. It would have been a nice touch to have him hesistate and demure but to have femshep be able to pursue it and win him over/seduce him.

[Dawson14]

I am extremely surprised with all the "straight" dudes who played through with a femshep and desperately wanted more males to romance.

Strikes me as odd. Just sayin'

[Naltair]

Mage One wrote...

I was mostly surprised by Tali, really, not so much Ash. It lacks symmetry, I suppose, but it helps show they're not just replacements for each other. Also, Vega totally should have been romanceable by femshep. It would have been a nice touch to have him hesistate and demure but to have femshep be able to pursue it and win him over/seduce him.

Why Tali, because she wanted to link suits?  Intimacy between friends does not mean romance.

[Corrik Ronis]

It is very much in Kaiden's character, not so much with Ash. It is really rather that simple.

Hold the line.

[Naltair]

Dawson14 wrote...

I am extremely surprised with all the "straight" dudes who played through with a femshep and desperately wanted more males to romance.

Strikes me as odd. Just sayin'

I don't see this as odd, my Female Shepards tend to be heterosexual, this in no way means I want men personally.  I just find it an exntension of my Shepard's story.

To clarify I am male and straight.

[KTheAlchemist]

Corrik Ronis wrote...

It is very much in Kaiden's character, not so much with Ash. It is really rather that simple.

Hold the line.

I dunno. Honestly I've know a few closet cases who were just like Ash.

[Direwolf0294]

It's strange. I seem to remember before ME3 came out there was a bit of a fuss because BioWare was apparantly planning on making some of the characters who had been straight in previous games bisexual in ME3. Seems that didn't happen though. Bit disappointed my femShep couldn't be with Tali but what are you going to do? At least there were some options for SGRAs, which is better then what most games offer.

[Lyrandori]

There's a limit, I think.

I wouldn't expect each and every single permanent characters of the trilogy to be both Heterosexual and Homosexual. I DO know that, indeed (and I agree) FemSheps get screwed up real good as far as Heterosexual "choices" go. But, generally speaking, I wouldn't imagine BioWare telling themselves "Ok, guys, remember, all characters we write, voice and model have to be romance-able for both Hetero and Homosexual players, Garrus gay? Check, Garrus Hetero? Check. Oh and don't forget EDI, also Legion should show obvious attraction towards EDI not just Shepard, oh and guys, also, don't forget to make sure that Shepard should be able to have some fun with both Wrex and Grunt in the same bed ok? Cool, let's get to work!".

What I mean is... you can write a character and think "yeah ok, that one is going to be Heterosexual". Then the PLAYERS can ask "why not Homosexual too?!" ... well, maybe because the person who wrote the character never really wanted it, or thought about it? Could BioWare change that? I guess? But... is it necessary? It's a touchy subject I guess. Is it? I know that I myself wouldn't necessarily like it if, as a write of a character, that character would end up changing his or her sexual orientation just because the a portion of the fan base would ask for it.

Would YOU mind about it as a writer? Or would you let it happen?

I think that's better question there, for yourselves. My take on it is that there's limits. But, I DO agree, I repeat, that FemSheps don't have enough choice when it comes to heterosexual romance.

Modifié par Lyrandori, 26 mars 2012 - 05:01 .

[Naltair]

Direwolf0294 wrote...

It's strange. I seem to remember before ME3 came out there was a bit of a fuss because BioWare was apparantly planning on making some of the characters who had been straight in previous games bisexual in ME3. Seems that didn't happen though. Bit disappointed my femShep couldn't be with Tali but what are you going to do? At least there were some options for SGRAs, which is better then what most games offer.

Not sure if it was actually mentioned by BioWare or just assumed by the fans based on quotes from BioWare.

As to the latter I understand the disappointment but to me, that adds to both the replay value and the variety of the game, that certain characters are ony available for certain genders as LIs add to the credibility of the storytelling which is where DAII went off the rails.  They even talk about this in the Final Hours app, that they don't want the characters to become simply puppets to fulfill the desires of player X by conforming to whatever they want.

[Naltair]

Lyrandori wrote...

I think that's better question there, for yourselves. My take on it is that there's limits.

I agree the only thing the player should control is how they intertact with characters not their orientation/mindset/personality.

[M2S SOLID JOSH]

the only reason i was dissapointed was she was origanlly bi in me1 til bioware patched it. she even had dialouge in me1 and me2 if u had a save with femshep romance. so people people figured it was a no brainer that she would still be bi.

[Vaerkone]

Sainta117 wrote...

Kilshrek wrote...

Eh, it didn't bother me terribly that Ash didn't go gay. It really just didn't seem to be in her character is all. Of course different people have different takes on that character.

I can understand that many are disappointed as Kaidan could go gay, but it didn't seem like such a stretch(please don't) for him.

Though I will not disagree that straight female romances got the short end of the stick here. Of the four(?) possible choices, one cheats on you, the other dies, one can die, and the final one can make you sick if you ingest.

Were you planning on eating Garrus? I mean, I know food will be short after the space magic explosion, but wouldn't Wrex be more filling, and also not put you into anaphylactic shock? Besides, why would you start with you LI? Seems like you'd save them for last...

What's that line? "You don't eat a pig like that all at once..."

I think he meant that FemShep will get sick when giving head.

Yes, no?

[Naltair]

M2S SOLID JOSH wrote...

the only reason i was dissapointed was she was origanlly bi in me1 til bioware patched it. she even had dialouge in me1 and me2 if u had a save with femshep romance. so people people figured it was a no brainer that she would still be bi.

This is false, her sexuality was never patched.  It was a decision made before the game launched.  They just left the files in, this is pretty common with software.

People had to mod the game to make the same sex romance work, this is not support that it was supposed to be there as part of the finished product.

[sistersafetypin]

KTheAlchemist wrote...

Sparatus wrote...

No.

Really, I think Femshep has enough lesbian romances. She needs more hetero ones. Girls actually play your games, Bioware. Straight ones!

Gay girls play too!

Straight femsheps have had these options over the course of the series:

Kaidan Alenko (Bisexual in ME3, essentially "straight" during ME1 and ME2)
Garrus Vakarian (Straight)
Thane Krios (Straight)
Jacob Taylor (Straight)

Gay femsheps have had over the course of the series:

Liara T'Soni (Bisexual) (This is or isn't a "gay relationship" depending on when you ask Bioware...)
Kelly Chambers (Bisexual) (A quasi sideplot romance that seems to exist separately from any "primary" romance options, going so far as having other romance arcs not even conflict with it. It's probably not a coincidence that her RA didn't give you the Paramour Achievement.)
Samantha Traynor (Lesbian) (I like her, sadly she's only in ME3.)
Dianna Allers (Bisexual) (I don't think I need to leave any commentary on this one...)

So if I really stretch things ( I honestly consider Kelly a bit of a stretch and possibly Diana), we're at...exactly the same number of possible romance arc partners.

EDIT: As an addendum, Straight MaleSheps have had these options:

Liara T'Soni (Bisexual)
"Jack" (Straight)
Tali'Zorah (Straight)
Miranda Lawson (Straight)
Ashley Williams (Straight)
Kelly Chambers (Bisexual)
Diana Allers (Bisexual)

Gay MaleSheps have had these options:
Steven Cortez (Gay)
Kaidan Alenko (ME3 Only)

If anyone "needs more" it's the gay guys, but honestly this shouldn't be an Us vs. Them sort of discussion.

And yet, it still good to not be alone

[sistersafetypin]

Naltair wrote...

M2S SOLID JOSH wrote...

the only reason i was dissapointed was she was origanlly bi in me1 til bioware patched it. she even had dialouge in me1 and me2 if u had a save with femshep romance. so people people figured it was a no brainer that she would still be bi.

This is false, her sexuality was never patched.  It was a decision made before the game launched.  They just left the files in, this is pretty common with software.

People had to mod the game to make the same sex romance work, this is not support that it was supposed to be there as part of the finished product.

Do you also believe Javik was never apart of the main game of ME3?

[Trikormadenadon]

Kilshrek wrote...

Eh, it didn't bother me terribly that Ash didn't go gay. It really just didn't seem to be in her character is all. Of course different people have different takes on that character.

I can understand that many are disappointed as Kaidan could go gay, but it didn't seem like such a stretch(please don't) for him.

Though I will not disagree that straight female romances got the short end of the stick here. Of the four(?) possible choices, one cheats on you, the other dies, one can die, and the final one can make you sick if you ingest.

Just curious who the one is that in your opinion will make you sick?

I know of 4 heterosexual LI's for FemShep, one who cheats (Jacob), one who dies (Thane), one who can die (Kaiden), oh wait, another who can die (Garrus), so not really sure who the last one you are thinking of is exactly....thought you could not romance James, and why would he make you sick if you could anyways?

[Naltair]

sistersafetypin wrote...

Naltair wrote...

M2S SOLID JOSH wrote...

the only reason i was dissapointed was she was origanlly bi in me1 til bioware patched it. she even had dialouge in me1 and me2 if u had a save with femshep romance. so people people figured it was a no brainer that she would still be bi.

This is false, her sexuality was never patched.  It was a decision made before the game launched.  They just left the files in, this is pretty common with software.

People had to mod the game to make the same sex romance work, this is not support that it was supposed to be there as part of the finished product.

Do you also believe Javik was never apart of the main game of ME3?

Javik was definitely integrated into the core game, other then that I don't work at BioWare so I won't assume what their actual process was like in developing that DLC.

The romance dialogue for same sex for Kaidan and Ashley was cut and never used by BioWare, officially for ME1.  There is a pretty large difference.

Modifié par Naltair, 26 mars 2012 - 05:21 .

[KTheAlchemist]

Naltair wrote...

Javik was definitely integrated into the core game, other then that I don't work at BioWare so I won't assume what their actual process was like in developing that DLC.

The romance dialogue for same sex for Kaidan and Ashley was cut and never used by BioWare, officially for ME1.  There is a pretty large difference.

Still, I think that the fact that she was originally not only written as bisexual, but recorded conversations for that arc, makes a strong case that the idea of her being bisexual isn't entirely out of left field or inconcievable.

Personally, I felt like the scenes with her and FemShep on Mars were just loaded with UST.

Modifié par KTheAlchemist, 26 mars 2012 - 05:39 .