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[Hanabii]

Stormraught wrote...

Ash is super raciest and hates your space friends, who would want that?!

Racist is interspecies. Xenophobe applies to aliens. Bioware, you and a lot of other people get it wrong.

Besides if you pay attention near the end of ME1 she stops being anti-alien and would gladly die for anyone on the crew.

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

PadawanMage71 wrote...

I could be wrong but didn't Jennifer Hale record lines in which FemShep romanced Ashley?

I found this: youtu.be/2Mwiqq-Y5r4

There are also lines where MShep refers to himself as a woman.

Both Hale and Meer read off the same script; they both record all of the dialogue. It does not mean that all LIs were intended to be bi.

[Seanylegit]

Yeah, I never even got the slightest inclination of "bi-ness" from Ashley. I knew Kaiden liked it in the rear since ME1. lol

Modifié par Seanylegit, 25 mars 2012 - 06:43 .

[shoshbear]

Ah who cares about Ashley, I wanted my FemShep to make it with Miranda *le sigh*

[Unit-Alpha]

No matter what, Ashley's not gonna be into clam jamming.

[N7 Spectre525]

Stormraught wrote...

Ash is super raciest and hates your space friends, who would want that?!

Wrong on so many levels.

[Abirn]

Why do I get the feeling that people saying ash isn't racist are the same people you hear IRL going "I'm not racist BUT...."

[mattp516]

Sparatus wrote...

Ashley never really says what her faith is.

In ME1 she talks about her faith. It's all optional conversation, so players who didn't romance her may not have heard it.

[mattp516]

Hanabii wrote...

Stormraught wrote...

Ash is super raciest and hates your space friends, who would want that?!

Racist is interspecies. Xenophobe applies to aliens. Bioware, you and a lot of other people get it wrong.

Besides if you pay attention near the end of ME1 she stops being anti-alien and would gladly die for anyone on the crew.

Yup. Her growth in this area is a major part of her character arc. Characters with flaws make for good writing.

[Quintus Kessler]

Abirn wrote...

Why do I get the feeling that people saying ash isn't racist are the same people you hear IRL going "I'm not racist BUT...."

No, I like Ashley, and don't think she's racist/xenophole, and I'm far from racist.

The thing with Ash is, that she hates almost everyone. She hates politicians too.

[Quintus Kessler]

Abirn wrote...

Why do I get the feeling that people saying ash isn't racist are the same people you hear IRL going "I'm not racist BUT...."

No, I like Ashley, and don't think she's racist/xenophole, and I'm far from racist.

The thing with Ash is, that she hates almost everyone. She hates politicians too.

[Joolazoo]

MakeMineMako wrote...

Baihu1983 wrote...

Unlimited69x wrote...

Ashley is religious.

shes also racist.

No. She's not.

Like many Humans, a species that was only on the galactic stage for less than four decades, she is simply leery of aliens.

She also despised Cerberus, a xenophobic and human-centric organization. If she was truly a racist ****, she would be trumpeting the Cerberus party line.

yes, she is. This is like saying someone's not racist because they won't join the KKK, but they just happen have a problem working with black people and don't think they're intelligent enough to use the same technology as whites. Or were whites just "leery" of blacks when they wanted to be segregated from them? In this sense racism is almost justified because the race you are being racist against has a totally different genetic composition than you, but it is still racism.

Modifié par Joolazoo, 25 mars 2012 - 06:58 .

[alaska-the-1st]

Quintus Kessler wrote...

Abirn wrote...

Why do I get the feeling that people saying ash isn't racist are the same people you hear IRL going "I'm not racist BUT...."

No, I like Ashley, and don't think she's racist/xenophole, and I'm far from racist.

The thing with Ash is, that she hates almost everyone. She hates politicians too.

 hate,hate,hate.

[Salvatore510]

VettoRyouzou wrote...

RedNanaki wrote...

Ashley's a Christian, so it would arguably go against her character.

Also to avoid potential ****storm. Just imagine FOX reporting on this... Christian turns gay in video game? Uh oh.

There... are Gay Christians, I know it a shocker to most people.

This. Also. she just says shes religious. For all we know, she could me Muslim, Jewish, hell, she could be worshipping the flying spaghetti monster!

[Dusk1976]

Setting aside the fact that Kaiden now pitches and catches in ME3 (as opposed to only pitching in ME1), let's consider the dialogue of characters from the earlier games.

In ME1, both Ashley and Kaiden have similar dialogue with your Shepard, with only one or two "trigger" lines of dialogue missing for LI options (the catty dialogue Ash has if you spend time talking to Liara is hilarious, though). Opening up either character to have an ambiguous or undefined sexuality would have taken little effort, and would have supported the idea of human sexuality becoming more fluid than rigid. The problem comes from living in a world where the religious nutjobs and zealots hold more sway than rational individuals (not saying that people that are both religious and rational don't exist, just that their voices are drowned out).

In ME2, the dialogue for Ashley and Kaiden on Horizon is only minimally different if they were your LI in ME1 or not. Not certain about Kaiden (he hasn't made it off Virmire for me in four playthroughs), but the emotional delivery from Kimberly Brooks is the same whether you made her say "O Captain" in ME1 or not. I also found it odd that, at the FOB on Earth in ME3, she called my FemShep "Captain," although there is no other point of reference for this outside of her being your LI in ME1. Odd, that.

I think the implementation of LIs for stand alone ME3 play was done poorly, though imported LIs (other than Liara) got shafted, too. MaleSheps have more guys available to seduce than FemSheps, provided they choose that Ash died on Virmire. For all the flirting that James does with Lola, there really should be an option to give him some "specialized N7 Training" for the FemSheps.

So, yes, I think Ash and Kaiden should have been available to be romanced by either gender from the start. Ash, Kaiden, Tali and Garrus should be available to both genders in ME3. But EDI is for Joker only.

Modifié par Dusk1976, 25 mars 2012 - 07:08 .

[mattp516]

Again. Anyone who's actually played through all 3 games and paid attention to Ashley's dialogue knows that even though she begins the game as xenophobic, she changes towards the end - as does the whole galaxy btw, due to Shep's unifying influence.

It's called a CHARACTER ARC. She is not a static character.

[Valo_Soren]

They weren't just going to make everyone bisexual without any apparent explanation as to why they are bisexual like Dragon Age II, there is no explainable reason as to why Ashley or Garrus would suddenly decide they also like the same sex. Liara is monogendered, makes sense for her. Kaiden being bisexual makes sense because there's nothing firmly stating that he isn't bisexual from the get-go. You learn that Ashley is straight when Shepard suggests sharing both her and Liara in the confrontation scene in Mass Effect 1, while Liara says she definitely wouldn't mind being in a relationship with both of them Ashley is grossed out by it, plus she believes in God so its plausible that her beliefs would not permit her to engage in a same sex relationship as it is so she may not believe in it.

[bazeebies]

Dusk1976 wrote...

For all the flirting that James does with Lola, there really should be an option to give him some "specialized N7 Training" for the FemSheps.

It would have taken maybe 5 more lines of recorded dialogue to establish him as a LI.. The whole friendship was very flirtatious, even if you don't really want it to be (reminds me of FemShep's constant flirtatious tone with Jacob in ME2).

mattp516 wrote...

Again. Anyone who's actually played through all 3 games and paid attention to Ashley's dialogue knows that even though she begins the game as xenophobic, she changes towards the end - as does the whole galaxy btw, due to Shep's unifying influence.

It's called a CHARACTER ARC. She is not a static character.

I've played through all 3 games more than once, but I always get her killed in ME1 because her attitude grates on me. So she died a xenophobe as far as I'm concerned

Modifié par bazeebies, 25 mars 2012 - 07:14 .

[Valo_Soren]

As for Garrus he has all the indications of a straight Turian from the get go and is obviously only interested in Fem-shep due to his Freudian slips in Mass Effect 2. You can't just force characters to be bisexual when it doesn't make sense for them to be bisexual. They did that with Dragon Age II and it didn't really make any damn sense that everyone was apparently bisexual without much exception.

[Siibi]

I don't know about Ashley (she's dead in my playthroughs anyway) but Garrus not being a romance option for MShep is sad... BUT of course Ashley being an option would be good too. The more choices the better

[Edrick1976]

RedNanaki wrote...

Ashley's a Christian, so it would arguably go against her character.

Also to avoid potential ****storm. Just imagine FOX reporting on this... Christian turns gay in video game? Uh oh.

Believing that their is a God does not make you Christian...

[Warp92]

[/quote] [quote]Salvatore510 wrote... 

This. Also. she just says shes religious. For all we know, she could me Muslim, Jewish, hell, she could be worshipping the flying spaghetti monster![/quote]

Well in ME1 she clearly says God, not trying to flame or nothing but it's what I remember.

Modifié par Warp92, 25 mars 2012 - 07:19 .

[FemmeShep]

Here's the thing.

Personally, I think all characters should be Bi. Not that the characters themselves are Bi. But what I mean, it the person's sexuality isn't really defined until you start the romance plot, and initiate it.

Since this is a game about choice, I always found it weird how limited you were in romancing. The story should be what you shape it to be. A lot of people got up in arms over Kaidan being gay in ME3. But he doesn't have to be bi if you don't go down that path.

But I also see the other side to this argument. And that's...the characters having a Canon sexuality. I guess I just don't feel sexuality needs to be Canon. And people could choose how they want it to be. The only time I would argue it needs to stay Canon, is if the story is told that involves their sexuality. So like, side stories, or background conversation. But for the most part, romance/sexuality doesn't define characters. You pretty much don't hear about it, unless you are the one initiating it. 

Modifié par FemmeShep, 25 mars 2012 - 07:20 .

[lordmorbus]

Wattoes wrote...

Ash doesn't "need" to be a lesbian. Im the commander and she will damn well listen to my orders.  I just need the ability to give Ash the order for operation rugmuncher.

LMAO......