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[chibilombax]

: / great. Probably the one time I don't agree with Spoony

[Fat Head]

I really dislike this guy and his "holier than thou" attitude. People that believe in IT AND people that don't both wanted more closure and for stuff to make sense. This guy just wants to call EVERYONE an idiot because they didn't "get the ending." I got 30 minutes into the video and he still hadn't explained why he stood where he stood, he just spent most of the time insulting other people and stuffing his face with pizza.

For the record I believe IT, but it wouldn't matter either way. Regardless of where you stand, almost all of us want to know what happens to the characters we spent so much time playing with, and we wanted more to the game to find out. Maybe this guy should just start turning his games off before the final level because he doesn't seem to need any kind of resolution, he's apparently creative enough to think up a satifying ending for everything.

[Kanon777]

The Angry One wrote...

He thinks Final Fantasy X-2 sucks, his opinion is objective truth.

Fixed for you

[Cadence of the Planes]

Welsh Inferno wrote...

He will look like such a fool when/if indoctrination is said to be bulls**t by BioWare.

And you will look like such a fool if it isn't?

[Armass81]

He does have a point tough in one thing. People are kinda overreacting over a stupid game and it is kinda pathetic to watch.

[askanec]

I'm tired of the indoctrination theory. Specifically I'm tired of the believers keeping a closed mind and shoving their "truth" at everyone else. It's like some kind of scary religion.

[TheRazgrez]

celozzip wrote...

who is he? another in a long line of annoying 'internet personalities' like totalbiscuit? no thanks. but i do support indoctrination theory.

he's better then totabiscuit, he works with a site known as ThatGuyWithTheGlasses.com which is a internet phenomon check it out. good stuff. 

[Cadence of the Planes]

askanec wrote...

I'm tired of the indoctrination theory. Specifically I'm tired of the believers keeping a closed mind and shoving their "truth" at everyone else. It's like some kind of scary religion.

In the same manner, I'm tired of the 'ending at face value' theory. The amount of fervent rage directed towards it is akin to religious zealotry.

Modifié par Cadence of the Planes, 25 mars 2012 - 04:19 .

[WastelanderTim]

As much as I support the indoctrination theory, I simply don't have the time or patience to listen to a fool go on and on about how stupid everyone is and how amazing his hyper advanced brain is.

[dakka dakka]

BobbyTheI wrote...

Wonder how he's going to react when the ending "clarification" is released and it's made patently obvious that indoctrination theory is just that: a theory, concocted by the fans to deal with a terrible ending.

Especially since his attitude seems to be "How could you morons be so upset about this ending, because it's obviously indoctrination theory, and anyone who doesn't believe that is stupid!"

see, he won't care because he would still accept HIS ending. He gots balls of steel brah.

I bet you it IS indoctrination though.

the Eyes prove it......and the trees. don't forget those trees at the end.

[BobbyTheI]

askanec wrote...

I'm tired of the indoctrination theory. Specifically I'm tired of the believers keeping a closed mind and shoving their "truth" at everyone else. It's like some kind of scary religion.

Here's my problem with IT: despite all the attempts to justify it by its proponents, it is patently obvious that it is not what the creators intended.  It's a remarkably elaborate fanon, yes, but fanon nonetheless.

You see a lot of the folks who object to BioWare changing the ending saying that they "shouldn't let the fans rewrite their story," and this is something I agree with.  While I want BioWare to listen to our objections and suggestions for a new ending, I want them to use the writing skills that went into the rest of this series and use it to take a second shot at the ending.

But if IT turns out to be true, it would be BioWare letting the fans rewrite the ending, in no uncertain terms.  And I don't play the ME series to read somebody else's fanfic.

[The Angry One]

There are a few IT theorists who are as bad as the arthouse crowd.
Both look down upon the rest of us and declare that we don't "get" the ending, just for different reasons.

[Humakt83]

His points may be good and I too am confident in indoctrination theory, but I'm not going to watch any video where 10%+ of the content is the maker's face.

[Welsh Inferno]

Cadence of the Planes wrote...

Welsh Inferno wrote...

He will look like such a fool when/if indoctrination is said to be bulls**t by BioWare.

And you will look like such a fool if it isn't?

How? Did I say I do or do not believe it?

Try again.

[Terraforming2154]

I usually like spoony, but man he comes off like an ass in this. Calling people losers for getting worked up over a video game? Really? Isn't that what he does for a living?

Maybe the indoctrination theory has some merit, but what if it is just bad writing that provided no closure? People have every right to call Bioware on it.

Modifié par Terraforming2154, 25 mars 2012 - 04:25 .

[Pkxm]

do not think of indoctrination theory as what bioware intended. think of it as a solution to a problem. that problem being the endings suck and make little sense. i think we can all agree these endings are a huge problem for mass effect.

statements have been made that leads one to think that removing/altering the current endings is off the table. it is highly unlikely that they will remove or or alter them in any way. they will then still have to replace them with something even if they did. that would be alot of work, and ****** off those that like the endings. they want to keep their "artistic integrity" of the endings.

ok fine, so we have to keep the current ending content. what will fix this then? what could possibly be done that will solve this? without removing/altering? indoctrination/hallucination theory. this allows the current content to stay, allows bioware the creative freedom to come up with just about ANYTHING, even use fan suggestions. the possiblities are endless. they could even allow them to make future games WITH shepard if they wanted to. IT theory allows endless possiblities regarding the ending solutions. IT theory, if you actually sit down and read up on it (NOT just watching youtube videos) it makes alot of sense.


we are not saying this is what is actually going on in the current ending, we are not saying this what bioware intended. we are saying this is simply something that can be applied and solve the ending problem the easiest and less pain in the ass way for bioware.

[MOELANDER]

I am actually saying, that I would be fine with IT. It would fit with the Themes of Mass Effect, where Indoc was always a big part, but I'd still prefer something completely different.
It's also unlikely, that they idd it, because then we really got an incomplete game and if they do that...

I don't even want to guess what will happen then.

[warrior256]

I took the time to watch some of his other videos, and he has the nerve to call us losers for getting angry over a video game ending? Have you seen his Twilight Breaking Dawn review? He spends an HOUR talking about how terrible the movie is! He thinks he's smarter then everyone else but he is looking like an idiot in the process.

[Cadence of the Planes]

Welsh Inferno wrote...

Cadence of the Planes wrote...

Welsh Inferno wrote...

He will look like such a fool when/if indoctrination is said to be bulls**t by BioWare.

And you will look like such a fool if it isn't?

How? Did I say I do or do not believe it?

Try again.

Not really motivated to try in online arguments, sorry. I was just applying your logic of someone being a fool from one view to another.

[chibilombax]

Terraforming2154 wrote...

I usually like spoony, but man he comes off like an ass in this. Calling people losers for getting worked up over a video game? Really? Isn't that what he does for a living?

Maybe the indoctrination theory has some merit, but what if it is just bad writing that provided no closure? People have every right to call Bioware on it.

I know that hurt to watch....Wasn't thinking he'd be that mad at the fans. Really sucked to hear since I like his reviews usually. He's not usually that much of a jerk.

[Welsh Inferno]

Cadence of the Planes wrote...

Not really motivated to try in online arguments, sorry.

Me either. 

[Blackmind1]

The Angry One wrote...

He thinks Final Fantasy X-2 sucks, his opinion is invalid.

All about taste, but based on that evidence, he's right.

[Blackmind1]

warrior256 wrote...

I took the time to watch some of his other videos, and he has the nerve to call us losers for getting angry over a video game ending? Have you seen his Twilight Breaking Dawn review? He spends an HOUR talking about how terrible the movie is! He thinks he's smarter then everyone else but he is looking like an idiot in the process.

Twilight is ****ing terrible. He's still right.

[The_Crazy_Hand]

I understand the indoctrination theory, but in actuality the explanation for the catalyst looking like the kid is simple:

BAD WRITING

Nothing more, nothing less.

[Pkxm]

MOELANDER wrote...

I am actually saying, that I would be fine with IT. It would fit with the Themes of Mass Effect, where Indoc was always a big part, but I'd still prefer something completely different.
It's also unlikely, that they idd it, because then we really got an incomplete game and if they do that...

I don't even want to guess what will happen then.

something completely different would involve the current endings staying. and just "explaining" them or "clarifying" them. there is no doing that. they are horrible. most agree. and bioware has pretty much stated they will not remove them. there probably is no other easier solution than indoctrination theory. we seriously need to support it. you will not get a removal or altering of the game as it is. IT theory allows them to keep the game, but its just a dream. thats all IT theory does. we wake up after the reaper blast, continue on. bioware is then able to take fan feedback and make a better end to sheps journey. or even keep him around