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[chibilombax]

Can someone tell me briefly what he talks about after about 30 minutes into the video and onward? I only made it 30 minutes before getting pissed off and disgusted at how he was acting.

[Transgirlgamer]

I got around a minute in and lost interest. And whoever it was on the video had hardly said anything.

I think Bioware have at some point come out and said it's not indoctrination, I'm not sure where and I could be wrong. I also hope that they don't use indoctrination as a way forwards if they make anything that leads on from what we have. Indoctrination Theory's main flaw as far as I can see it is choose Destroy with War Assets over a certain amount or it's game over. Indoctrinated Shepard is not Sheperd. It's a reaper puppet. I would prefer the Bioware writers to come up with something that 1) gives us a bit more closure and 2) fits in the Mass Effect Universe without invalidating anyone's choices. Maybe add to the existing endings so you get more options depending on what war assets you have and what war assets they are. i.e. it's possible to have just the Geth or the Quarians

Those are just my opinions though.and we'll have to wait for the announcement which I'm expecting will come, at the latest, at the Mass Effect panel at PAX East. Anything fans come up with is just speculation. I've started playing ME1 again and I'm seeing the possibility of Synthesis and Control both being set up in the dialog along with the obvious Destroy. I haven't even picked up Liara yet.

[LordJeyl]

*watches Spoony video*

Geez marion god. I've been a pretty big fan of Spoony since the release of his "The Thing" video game review and have followed his reviews ever since. He's brought a lot of stuff that have been buried in time out into the open and made them popular again, and he's done some pretty awesome "Lets Plays" along the way. I've even watched his "Wrestle! Wrestle!" videos. ABDUCTED BY NINJAS! CALL THE COPS! Love that stuff.

But this video. Even with all the other stuff I generally don't agree with him on is one of the hardest things I've ever had to watch that he's done. It wasn't so much his self-righteousness attitude towards the subject because I know he's watched a TON of movies and can spot a plot twist a mile away. What bothered me the most was his attitude towards the fans who were displeased with the ending. Instead of being professional and telling the fans how their hatred of the ending may be unfounded, he chooses to chastise the fans REPEATEDLY. I have seen a lot of angry comments and blogs about Mass Effect 3's ending and none of them were as hateful as Spoony was to the players. This was disgusting.

The fact that he tells players to "move on" and "It's just a game" makes him sound even more pompous, because he's the one getting all rallied up about what the fans think. And he actually says we're wasting his time. How? He's played the other Mass Effect games in the past and talked about them on his own accord. I knew he was going to play Mass Effect 3 and eventually talk about it, so how does that relate to us wasting his time?

And probably the most telling thing he says in the video is when someone asks "what's the difference between our bit**ing and your bit**ing?" and says, in the most smug manner way possible "It's fake". Yes, he is more sincere about calling fans who don't like the ending fu***ng idiotic a**holes than he is about the negative reviews and rants he's posted in the past. That.. is.. a.. lie. He may bring up the fact that Xcom is a different matter entirely, but watch his videos on that matter. And like the Mass Effect 3 fans he's chastising, a lot of his points start with "I WANT-".

Here, check it out.
http://spoonyexperim...6/e3-2011-xcom/

Funny bit? The game isn't even out yet.

[Pkxm]

all indoctrination theory would do is possibly cause the game to pick back up after shep gets hit by the reaper beam. everything that happened after shep woke up earlier was just part of a dream/hallucination caused by indoctrination. shep does not have to be fully indoctrinated mindless puppet. remember he is the hero, he is incredibly strong willed. he has been in reapers, he has been around reaper artifacts, he has fought them.

if you pick the game back up after shep gets hit by the beam, they can make endings that do more with your assets, that bring closure, that make more sense. im sure this is unlikely and we will probably get cut content dlc but if enough people support the IT (supposedly it was already in the game, and subtle hints are there i think, but cut) they could go this route. we are already going to end up paying for dlc that addresses the end. why not go with IT and allow endless possiblities? instead of being forced to go with the current bad ending that everyone is complaining about?

[Transgirlgamer]

Went back and watched some more of this. Has this guy actually been here in the forums and read what some people are putting? He seems to have less grasp on what the people here are saying than anyone whose opinion I've read in the forums.

Crazy part is, he actually has a couple of valid points.  But since most of the video is him ****ing about the community it's lost in the garbage.

Modifié par Transgirlgamer, 25 mars 2012 - 07:08 .

[Transgirlgamer]

Jsxdf wrote...

all indoctrination theory would do is possibly cause the game to pick back up after shep gets hit by the reaper beam. everything that happened after shep woke up earlier was just part of a dream/hallucination caused by indoctrination. shep does not have to be fully indoctrinated mindless puppet. remember he is the hero, he is incredibly strong willed. he has been in reapers, he has been around reaper artifacts, he has fought them.

if you pick the game back up after shep gets hit by the beam, they can make endings that do more with your assets, that bring closure, that make more sense. im sure this is unlikely and we will probably get cut content dlc but if enough people support the IT (supposedly it was already in the game, and subtle hints are there i think, but cut) they could go this route. we are already going to end up paying for dlc that addresses the end. why not go with IT and allow endless possiblities? instead of being forced to go with the current bad ending that everyone is complaining about?

Because Indoctrination theory only lets you go forwards with 1/3 or the endings.  Less if you go by when when you get the breath scene which needs a certain amount of effective war assets.

[NoUserNameHere]

The problem with Indoctrination is that, debunked conspiracy theories aside, we now have no ending at all.

Indoctrination means jack unless you pull back the curtain and -surprise- Shepard never made it to that beam at all. It needs payoff, needs Shepard getting up and recieving a real ending that's affected by your choice in the indoctrination fake-out. Twenty seconds of 'you're not dead after all' is no pay off.

So it's either a bad ending at face value or indoctriantion with no ending at all. Option two is almost worse than what we got.

[Pkxm]

no it doesnt. the 3 choices, no matter what you pick, could be a dream. and the outcomes of those choices were dreams.

in reality shep is still there on earth having just been hit by the reaper beam. they could pick up there and the dlc could be anything they want it to be. anyone can continue no matter what choices they made after talking to the ai/child because that was all part of the hallucination

[Pkxm]

no ending at all? the dlc would be the ending, the finishing of the fight, a much better ending to the mass effect trilogy. most peoples complaint is that the ending we got sucked and made no sense. it would make sense if it was a damn dream all along and we got back up and kicked the reapers ass. anything could be done with that dlc, bioware would have freedom to do whatever and take fans feedback for what they would be happy with. they could even do more dlc after that..

[Transgirlgamer]

Jsxdf wrote...

no it doesnt. the 3 choices, no matter what you pick, could be a dream. and the outcomes of those choices were dreams.

in reality shep is still there on earth having just been hit by the reaper beam. they could pick up there and the dlc could be anything they want it to be. anyone can continue no matter what choices they made after talking to the ai/child because that was all part of the hallucination

Every version of the indoctrination theory that I have read has Shepard indoctrinated with Control and Synthesis with only Destroy having her/him resist it.

[NoUserNameHere]

Jsxdf wrote...

no ending at all? the dlc would be the ending, the finishing of the fight, a much better ending to the mass effect trilogy. most peoples complaint is that the ending we got sucked and made no sense. it would make sense if it was a damn dream all along and we got back up and kicked the reapers ass. anything could be done with that dlc, bioware would have freedom to do whatever and take fans feedback for what they would be happy with. they could even do more dlc after that..

There was no DLC planned. 'The Truth' was classic denial.

If it wasn't planned, then 'indoctrination' was all we were going to get before the uproar. Indoctrination theory alone would've brought less closure than Starchild at face value. 

Indoctrination Theory should be an example of wasted potential, not a way to somehow make what we have look servicable, or to claim that this is 'Just as Planned!' on Bioware's part. 'Cause it was not.

[Pkxm]

im not saying IT was planned all along. i believe the ending is probably the result of rushing/bad writing/whatever. i believe the current ending probably is what they intended. im simply saying IT would be a interesting fix, and opens doors to endless possibilities as far as what bioware wants to do with it.


imagine if they decided to make it so shep wakes up after getting blasted by the beam. they can make whatever ending then they want, and make decisions like war assets and all of that, matter more. i dont know what they are willing to do or not willing to do but i just think IT allows whatever, and is an easy way to go about this

Modifié par Jsxdf, 25 mars 2012 - 07:28 .

[Transgirlgamer]

Well, I'm pretty sure I saw a statement from someone at Bioware that has explicitly said what we have is what they intended. That's why I've stopped arguing otherwise.

Indoctrination theory could be an interesting way to move forwards, if bioware come up with a way that all three choices end up without an indoctrinated Shepard.

[Hunter_Wolf]

Balmung31 wrote...

http://www.twitch.tv...one/b/312765460

Essentially, he thinks it was patently obvious that it was indoctrination going on throughout the game. 

Well one thing for sure, is the dreams are definitely indoctrination. The similarities are there only the distant wispers aren't laced with fear this time around which could be his own subsconcious trying to instill confidence. It's his will being visualized in my opinion. But never the less the oily shadows, the pending doom - it's there.

[Thaa_solon]

I think spoony is lying, I belive he watched the angry joe video before he claimed he knew about indoc theory.

Can't fool me spoony

[weltraumhamster89]

Have you seen the part where he says all the people seriously complaining about the end like the "retake me"-movement etc. are morons? He goes like "It's just a game" - that shows me that he is a douche bag.

P.S.: He is saying "**** your entitled bull****" to the Retake movement. I don't like this guy. Troll who thinks he actually IS someone.

Modifié par weltraumhamster89, 25 mars 2012 - 07:39 .

[Janus382]

I refuse to believe that the seething hatred he directed at FF8 and the time he spent playing it, could be fake, and be dismissed as "it's just a game".

Something is amiss...

[WhooMovingTarget]

My first thought is 'His Kitchen is a mess'.

I don't know how I feel about that.


Edit:

'Its good to come froma position of complete righteousness'

Uhhhh.... thats kinda... full of himself?


Edit 2:

Now he's calling us stupid for not liking the ending.

Wow Spoony.

Thanks.

Modifié par WhooMovingTarget, 25 mars 2012 - 07:41 .

[NoUserNameHere]

weltraumhamster89 wrote...

Have you seen the part where he says all the people seriously complaining about the end like the "retake me"-movement etc. are morons? He goes like "It's just a game" - that shows me that he is a douche bag.

I sense some sarcasm in his claim, here. This is the guy that was physically harmed by Transformers 2.


That said, Spoony seems to fall for any plot device that is coldly calculated to appeal to film students/critics. He could be on the 'it's art' bandwagon.

[Thaa_solon]

Janus382 wrote...

I refuse to believe that the seething hatred he directed at FF8 and the time he spent playing it, could be fake, and be dismissed as "it's just a game".

Something is amiss...

Just proves that he lives his life in denial

[omnic]

*watches the video*
*see a guy complaining that paying customers who were lied to about a product are acting entitled as if they are not entitled to get what they were promised*
Yeah... no

[weltraumhamster89]

Yes, his kitchen is messy and he should wash his hair.

[paralitos]

“Nobody can be so amusingly arrogant as a young man who has just discovered an old idea and thinks it is his own.”

[The Smitchens]

WhooMovingTarget wrote...

My first thought is 'His Kitchen is a mess'.

I don't know how I feel about that.

Ok.  Three pages into this thread and I thought I was the only one that noticed that.

What a mess.