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[Fail_Inc]

maybe we should all gather up and yell "BETRAYALLLLLL" just like him? I'm sure that would make us look better ^^

[IronSabbath88]

Transgirlgamer wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Transgirlgamer wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

LOL. Hate it if you want, he's right.

Just sayin'

I'm not saying his views are wrong, but how he's going about expressing them is.  Shouting and ranting at people is not the way to get them to see what you're saying.  Talking calmly and rationally is.  I know that I for one, tend to shut out people who rant at me.

Fair enough, but I do agree with him about the ending backlash. It's gotten kind of out of hand, and that's why I'm not a part of it. But as long as I'm not told I'm a loser by not participating, people can do what they want.

I'm with you in thinking that it's got out of hand.  I only came into this thread because I thought it was the former BBC Radio 1 DJ whose stage name was DJ Spoony.

I'm still here because...  I'm not sure really but whatever the reason is, it's also the reason I'm still listening to him at 1hr 29mins.

Ah, alright.

But yeah, it's gotten to the point where I just don't care for the ending backlash anymore. I think it's absolutely dumb that everytime BioWare makes a Facebook post about fan art or something all we see is stuff about endings... there's a line to be drawn at the end of it all.

Modifié par IronSabbath88, 25 mars 2012 - 08:40 .

[KTheAlchemist]

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Transgirlgamer wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

LOL. Hate it if you want, he's right.

Just sayin'

I'm not saying his views are wrong, but how he's going about expressing them is.  Shouting and ranting at people is not the way to get them to see what you're saying.  Talking calmly and rationally is.  I know that I for one, tend to shut out people who rant at me.

Fair enough, but I do agree with him about the ending backlash. It's gotten kind of out of hand, and that's why I'm not a part of it. But as long as I'm not told I'm a loser by not participating, people can do what they want.

I'd never call you a loser for not participating. 

I just think that he harms his message by the way he presents it, calling everyone who dislikes the ending "stupid" in his opening salvo. It turns it into a preach-to-the-choir sort of thing.

If there's a point to be made, when he does that he limits it to the people who already agree with him. Insult people, and they stop listening. So basically he spoke for 90 minutes to people who already agree with him.

Not to mention that being insulting in the fashion which he did displays a very narrow-minded perspective that is not likely to produce thoughtful and balanced perspectives on things.

If what he says were true, and "only stupid people disagree with this viewpoint"...he shouldn't just say that. Just saying "You're stupid" is utterly meaningless and makes the whole thing look like belabored trolling. He should instead simply lay out his points as to why he believes the ending is awesome, and leave it to people to decide what that means about the ending, and about people who agree or disagree with it.

[Transgirlgamer]

I... I made it. 1hour, 37minutes and 49 seconds and I'm still alive and sane.

[WhooMovingTarget]

Transgirlgamer wrote...

I... I made it. 1hour, 37minutes and 49 seconds and I'm still alive and sane.

I envy your tolerance to loud noises and rudeness.

[Fail_Inc]

Transgirlgamer wrote...

I... I made it. 1hour, 37minutes and 49 seconds and I'm still alive and sane.

So does he say anything else then "You're all idiots" and "You should only ****&moan on forums like me" ?

[chibilombax]

IronSabbath88 wrote...

chibilombax wrote...

The Smitchens wrote...

I'll give him credit. He has legitimate, well thought out points of view. Can't say I picked up on any perspective that he or anyone else thought of while playing, but then I'm not the sci-fi buff that some people are. Today is also the first that I've started looking into the indoctrination theory in depth, so... yeah. Makes sense.

How exactly is him pretending to be a crying fan a "Well thought out point of view" ?? This is the same guy who had to stop videos because he had to deal with depression. I'll  comment for him to get over it next time he brings that crap up.

Are you comparing depression, a serious human matter to a video game ending?

Cause.. that's kinda wrong.

No. But some players have had to get medical help for depression like symptoms after this game. Including myself. Hearing him mocking the players like that was just a load of bull****.

[Kenthen]

Spoony has a bit of a track record of acting like an arrogant ******, like when he interrupted someone else's D&D campaign to rant because he didn't like the way they played or acted or some ****. Y'know, because it was totally his business and he knew better.

[The Smitchens]

chibilombax wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

chibilombax wrote...

The Smitchens wrote...

I'll give him credit. He has legitimate, well thought out points of view. Can't say I picked up on any perspective that he or anyone else thought of while playing, but then I'm not the sci-fi buff that some people are. Today is also the first that I've started looking into the indoctrination theory in depth, so... yeah. Makes sense.

How exactly is him pretending to be a crying fan a "Well thought out point of view" ?? This is the same guy who had to stop videos because he had to deal with depression. I'll  comment for him to get over it next time he brings that crap up.

Are you comparing depression, a serious human matter to a video game ending?

Cause.. that's kinda wrong.

No. But some players have had to get medical help for depression like symptoms after this game. Including myself. Hearing him mocking the players like that was just a load of bull****.

Ok.  If you're joking (which I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say I get it) then you've just discredited everything you've said up until now.  Also.  The correct answer would be yes.  Not no, because you actually are, in that sentence, comparing depression to a video game ending.  You've just said the exact opposite of what you just said.

If you actually do, by some slim chance, mean for that to be taken seriously... then I don't think any of us can help you.

[WhooMovingTarget]

Kenthen wrote...

Spoony has a bit of a track record of acting like an arrogant ******, like when he interrupted someone else's D&D campaign to rant because he didn't like the way they played or acted or some ****. Y'know, because it was totally his business and he knew better.

God. I remember that.

He does good shows, but he can get a bit demanding.

Normally I like the guy, he has some valid points, but in this I think he needs to tone down the finger wagging. In the first 10 minutes he's derided and made fun of fans with valid points and complaints and denigrated our intelligence in terms of us 'getting' the ending.

Not cool.

[chibilombax]

The Smitchens wrote...

chibilombax wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

chibilombax wrote...

The Smitchens wrote...

I'll give him credit. He has legitimate, well thought out points of view. Can't say I picked up on any perspective that he or anyone else thought of while playing, but then I'm not the sci-fi buff that some people are. Today is also the first that I've started looking into the indoctrination theory in depth, so... yeah. Makes sense.

How exactly is him pretending to be a crying fan a "Well thought out point of view" ?? This is the same guy who had to stop videos because he had to deal with depression. I'll  comment for him to get over it next time he brings that crap up.

Are you comparing depression, a serious human matter to a video game ending?

Cause.. that's kinda wrong.

No. But some players have had to get medical help for depression like symptoms after this game. Including myself. Hearing him mocking the players like that was just a load of bull****.

Ok.  If you're joking (which I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say I get it) then you've just discredited everything you've said up until now.  Also.  The correct answer would be yes.  Not no, because you actually are, in that sentence, comparing depression to a video game ending.  You've just said the exact opposite of what you just said.

If you actually do, by some slim chance, mean for that to be taken seriously... then I don't think any of us can help you.

I'll try again to explain. I figured since he suffers from depression he'd sympathize a little with the fans. Clearly I was mistaken. It seemed very hypocritical of him since fans spoiled him with "get well!" comments and yet doesn't seem to care about other people who just so happen to be upset and also getting medical help with depression. There were a few forum posts after ME3 came out of people admitting they were going to doctors for help. My comment was made in anger because I was a long time fan of Spoony. And yet seeing him act this way was just disgusting. I enjoy the Indoc Theory too but he expressed his opinion like a true jackass. Mocking, yelling, "I'm right you're wrong" is not how opinions tend to be discussed. It just seemed cold to hear him mocking the Tali fans who wanted to build a house for her. This game can be brutal for some people who enjoyed the series for five or so years. People obviously get attatched. No I didn't mean to compare actual depression to a video game. Only saying it was just a dick move to mock people who are genuinely upset and possibly heart broken. I apologize if I offended with the depression comparison. That comment was again made in anger and disgust.

Modifié par chibilombax, 25 mars 2012 - 09:05 .

[Transgirlgamer]

Fail_Inc wrote...

Transgirlgamer wrote...

I... I made it. 1hour, 37minutes and 49 seconds and I'm still alive and sane.

So does he say anything else then "You're all idiots" and "You should only ****&moan on forums like me" ?

Not really.  At least nothing that can't be found here in a none ranty form.

[Pallid]

Transgirlgamer wrote...

 I'm not sure really but whatever the reason is, it's also the reason I'm still listening to him at 1hr 29mins.

Ha! Well, he is smart and funny(not in this video though) guy, and is interesting to listen to, even if you don't agree with him. People here must understand that it wasn't even a rewiew(like Angry Joe's), or some kind of message to people from "Retake" movement. Basically it was just Spoony having a friendly banter with his fans. 

[Godeskian]

celozzip wrote...

who is he? another in a long line of annoying 'internet personalities' like totalbiscuit? no thanks. but i do support indoctrination theory.

Spoony is a.... personality......who thinks he's far more entertaining than he actually is.

[chibilombax]

omskman wrote...

Transgirlgamer wrote...

 I'm not sure really but whatever the reason is, it's also the reason I'm still listening to him at 1hr 29mins.

Ha! Well, he is smart and funny(not in this video though) guy, and is interesting to listen to, even if you don't agree with him. People here must understand that it wasn't even a rewiew(like Angry Joe's), or some kind of message to people from "Retake" movement. Basically it was just Spoony having a friendly banter with his fans. 

That was friendly? 

[Ramcroy]

I've been a big fan of Spoony's videos for a long time now. This clip really rubbed me the wrong way though. It's not that I very much disagree with his opinions and ideas, but his backlash against whoever disagrees with him is simply blown way out of proportions.

[WhooMovingTarget]

omskman wrote...

Transgirlgamer wrote...

 I'm not sure really but whatever the reason is, it's also the reason I'm still listening to him at 1hr 29mins.

Ha! Well, he is smart and funny(not in this video though) guy, and is interesting to listen to, even if you don't agree with him. People here must understand that it wasn't even a rewiew(like Angry Joe's), or some kind of message to people from "Retake" movement. Basically it was just Spoony having a friendly banter with his fans. 

Would hate to see it when he gets really passionate and mean. 

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

The Angry One wrote...

He thinks Final Fantasy X-2 sucks, his opinion is invalid.

Hes right, its a god awful game

but who is he?

[FemmeShep]

Cadence of the Planes wrote...

II. They don't plan on concluding the battle. And it just ends with Shepard waking up from Indoc.

Okay..either way you put it, both of these are terrible decisions made by the company. 

Disagree

Elaborate...

How would witholding the ending and either giving the real one later, or not having an ending at all..be good decisions? 

[Ravennus]

chibilombax wrote...

The Smitchens wrote...

chibilombax wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

chibilombax wrote...

The Smitchens wrote...

I'll give him credit. He has legitimate, well thought out points of view. Can't say I picked up on any perspective that he or anyone else thought of while playing, but then I'm not the sci-fi buff that some people are. Today is also the first that I've started looking into the indoctrination theory in depth, so... yeah. Makes sense.

How exactly is him pretending to be a crying fan a "Well thought out point of view" ?? This is the same guy who had to stop videos because he had to deal with depression. I'll  comment for him to get over it next time he brings that crap up.

Are you comparing depression, a serious human matter to a video game ending?

Cause.. that's kinda wrong.

No. But some players have had to get medical help for depression like symptoms after this game. Including myself. Hearing him mocking the players like that was just a load of bull****.

Ok.  If you're joking (which I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say I get it) then you've just discredited everything you've said up until now.  Also.  The correct answer would be yes.  Not no, because you actually are, in that sentence, comparing depression to a video game ending.  You've just said the exact opposite of what you just said.

If you actually do, by some slim chance, mean for that to be taken seriously... then I don't think any of us can help you.

I'll try again to explain. I figured since he suffers from depression he'd sympathize a little with the fans. Clearly I was mistaken. It seemed very hypocritical of him since fans spoiled him with "get well!" comments and yet doesn't seem to care about other people who just so happen to be upset and also getting medical help with depression. There were a few forum posts after ME3 came out of people admitting they were going to doctors for help. My comment was made in anger because I was a long time fan of Spoony. And yet seeing him act this way was just disgusting. I enjoy the Indoc Theory too but he expressed his opinion like a true jackass. Mocking, yelling, "I'm right you're wrong" is not how opinions tend to be discussed. It just seemed cold to hear him mocking the Tali fans who wanted to build a house for her. This game can be brutal for some people who enjoyed the series for five or so years. People obviously get attatched. No I didn't mean to compare actual depression to a video game. Only saying it was just a dick move to mock people who are genuinely upset and possibly heart broken. I apologize if I offended with the depression comparison. That comment was again made in anger and disgust.

Thanks 
chibilombax.

I'm one of those players that has suffered under clinical depression for my entire adult life, and was one of those that had to seek help after that ending.

I don't really blame EA/Bioware or even the writing of the ending.  It's just fact.
Some things act as triggers for my depression, and this was definitely it.  Seeing an entire universe that I was 100% emotionally invested in be completely ruined in 5 minutes completely shook me to the core.

It's a serious matter, not to be taken lightly.  Again, I don't cast blame at Bioware.
However, before this I was a big fan of Spoony.... stumbled on his video rants by accident and (even if he is VERY longwinded) enjoyed his style and humor.

But to make fun of us and call us idiots for not getting it?
And being a hyprocrite when he himself suffered from depression, which previously I sympathized with?

Low.

[The Smitchens]

chibilombax wrote...

The Smitchens wrote...

chibilombax wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

chibilombax wrote...

The Smitchens wrote...

I'll give him credit. He has legitimate, well thought out points of view. Can't say I picked up on any perspective that he or anyone else thought of while playing, but then I'm not the sci-fi buff that some people are. Today is also the first that I've started looking into the indoctrination theory in depth, so... yeah. Makes sense.

How exactly is him pretending to be a crying fan a "Well thought out point of view" ?? This is the same guy who had to stop videos because he had to deal with depression. I'll  comment for him to get over it next time he brings that crap up.

Are you comparing depression, a serious human matter to a video game ending?

Cause.. that's kinda wrong.

No. But some players have had to get medical help for depression like symptoms after this game. Including myself. Hearing him mocking the players like that was just a load of bull****.

Ok.  If you're joking (which I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say I get it) then you've just discredited everything you've said up until now.  Also.  The correct answer would be yes.  Not no, because you actually are, in that sentence, comparing depression to a video game ending.  You've just said the exact opposite of what you just said.

If you actually do, by some slim chance, mean for that to be taken seriously... then I don't think any of us can help you.

I'll try again to explain. I figured since he suffers from depression he'd sympathize a little with the fans. Clearly I was mistaken. It seemed very hypocritical of him since fans spoiled him with "get well!" comments and yet doesn't seem to care about other people who just so happen to be upset and also getting medical help with depression. There were a few forum posts after ME3 came out of people admitting they were going to doctors for help. My comment was made in anger because I was a long time fan of Spoony. And yet seeing him act this way was just disgusting. I enjoy the Indoc Theory too but he expressed his opinion like a true jackass. Mocking, yelling, "I'm right your wrong" is not how opinions tend to be discussed. It just seemed cold to hear him mocking the Tali fans who wanted to build a house for her. This game can be brutal for some people who enjoyed the series for five or so years. People obviously get attatched. No I didn't mean to compare actual depression to a video game. Only saying it was just a dick move to mock people who are genuinely upset and possibly heart broken. I apologize if I offended with the depression comparison. That comment was again made in anger and disgust.

On Spoony's meical condition:
I don't know much about his medical history, but it's still irrelevant.  Hypocritical isn't the right word for this.  It's definition doesn't line up with the context.  What you're looking for is ungrateful.

On people commenting about going to the doctor because of ME3.
They're lying to you.  Don't believe everything you see on the internet.  Believe it when you see an actual doctor diagnosing a game's ending for PTSD.  Otherwise they're giving you the run around.  Gullability: 1.  You: 0.

His approach.
I'm a fan of his to an extent.  I like some of his stuff, but other stuff.  Meh.  But he's always willingly admitted he's an outspoken jerk about things.  In the video in this thread he even calls himself out on it saying it's "a character".  It's an internet personality.  Not something for people to take seriously.  Just gotta have the skin to deal with people because you're always going to find someone that says something that doesn't line up with your perspective.  If you can't dust it off life is only going to get worse for you.  And I meant that "you" as a general statement.  Not you in specific.

On the investment into ME3.
By all means I line up with a lot of the accusations he made.  You know what?  They are legitimate.  He has valid points and sometimes I was at the end of the shooting range.  I can't argue because... yeah... he's right.  What am I going to do?  Cry?  If I did that everytime someone proved me wrong I'd drown the world.

On the depression.
Doesn't offend me any.  I don't have to own up to your words be it well thought out or made in spontaneous emotion.

[WhooMovingTarget]

DinoSteve wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

He thinks Final Fantasy X-2 sucks, his opinion is invalid.

Hes right, its a god awful game

but who is he?

Internet reviewer, has some nice incites on certain mediums.

Can be a bit of a jerk apparently.

[meteng]

I think indoctrination was going on during the ME3 plot as originally devised but was then cut close to the end. This left a lot of hints behind but no actual resolution at the end. Hopefully it is reintroduced with DLC.

[chibilombax]

The Smitchens wrote...

chibilombax wrote...

The Smitchens wrote...

chibilombax wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

chibilombax wrote...

The Smitchens wrote...

I'll give him credit. He has legitimate, well thought out points of view. Can't say I picked up on any perspective that he or anyone else thought of while playing, but then I'm not the sci-fi buff that some people are. Today is also the first that I've started looking into the indoctrination theory in depth, so... yeah. Makes sense.

How exactly is him pretending to be a crying fan a "Well thought out point of view" ?? This is the same guy who had to stop videos because he had to deal with depression. I'll  comment for him to get over it next time he brings that crap up.

Are you comparing depression, a serious human matter to a video game ending?

Cause.. that's kinda wrong.

No. But some players have had to get medical help for depression like symptoms after this game. Including myself. Hearing him mocking the players like that was just a load of bull****.

Ok.  If you're joking (which I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say I get it) then you've just discredited everything you've said up until now.  Also.  The correct answer would be yes.  Not no, because you actually are, in that sentence, comparing depression to a video game ending.  You've just said the exact opposite of what you just said.

If you actually do, by some slim chance, mean for that to be taken seriously... then I don't think any of us can help you.

I'll try again to explain. I figured since he suffers from depression he'd sympathize a little with the fans. Clearly I was mistaken. It seemed very hypocritical of him since fans spoiled him with "get well!" comments and yet doesn't seem to care about other people who just so happen to be upset and also getting medical help with depression. There were a few forum posts after ME3 came out of people admitting they were going to doctors for help. My comment was made in anger because I was a long time fan of Spoony. And yet seeing him act this way was just disgusting. I enjoy the Indoc Theory too but he expressed his opinion like a true jackass. Mocking, yelling, "I'm right your wrong" is not how opinions tend to be discussed. It just seemed cold to hear him mocking the Tali fans who wanted to build a house for her. This game can be brutal for some people who enjoyed the series for five or so years. People obviously get attatched. No I didn't mean to compare actual depression to a video game. Only saying it was just a dick move to mock people who are genuinely upset and possibly heart broken. I apologize if I offended with the depression comparison. That comment was again made in anger and disgust.

On Spoony's meical condition:
I don't know much about his medical history, but it's still irrelevant.  Hypocritical isn't the right word for this.  It's definition doesn't line up with the context.  What you're looking for is ungrateful.

On people commenting about going to the doctor because of ME3.
They're lying to you.  Don't believe everything you see on the internet.  Believe it when you see an actual doctor diagnosing a game's ending for PTSD.  Otherwise they're giving you the run around.  Gullability: 1.  You: 0.

His approach.
I'm a fan of his to an extent.  I like some of his stuff, but other stuff.  Meh.  But he's always willingly admitted he's an outspoken jerk about things.  In the video in this thread he even calls himself out on it saying it's "a character".  It's an internet personality.  Not something for people to take seriously.  Just gotta have the skin to deal with people because you're always going to find someone that says something that doesn't line up with your perspective.  If you can't dust it off life is only going to get worse for you.  And I meant that "you" as a general statement.  Not you in specific.

On the investment into ME3.
By all means I line up with a lot of the accusations he made.  You know what?  They are legitimate.  He has valid points and sometimes I was at the end of the shooting range.  I can't argue because... yeah... he's right.  What am I going to do?  Cry?  If I did that everytime someone proved me wrong I'd drown the world.

On the depression.
Doesn't offend me any.  I don't have to own up to your words be it well thought out or made in spontaneous emotion.

I appreciate the correction on using the word hypocritical. I might not agree with you on this. But thank you anyway for being polite about your views. Even if people might have been lying about going to doctor. I'm not. I had to get anti depressents after not needing them for years. It was just a stab to the gut hearing him mock sad fans. So my views on this are obviously anger filled.

[Pallid]

chibilombax wrote...

That was friendly? 

Yeah, ok, he was a little bit harsh, but like I said, it's because of the format - live stream with only "hardcore fans"(cause who else would watch that?). Btw he is adressing that at 51:25 -52:10.