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[chibilombax]

omskman wrote...

chibilombax wrote...

That was friendly? 

Yeah, ok, he was a little bit harsh, but like I said, it's because of the format - live stream with only "hardcore fans"(cause who else would watch that?). Btw he is adressing that at 51:25 -52:10. 

didn't make it that far. 30 minutes in my stomach was in such a knot I had to stop

[The Smitchens]

chibilombax wrote...

I appreciate the correction on using the word hypocritical. I might not agree with you on this. But thank you anyway for being polite about your views. Even if people might have been lying about going to doctor. I'm not. I had to get anti depressents after not needing them for years. It was just a stab to the gut hearing him mock sad fans. So my views on this are obviously anger filled.

People are always more likely to hear others out if they at least try to be diplomatic.  I don't like instigating problems and there's already enough pessemism here on these forums (some of which I will admit I probably haven't helped the best way possible).  If I were to give any kind of advice in this context to anyone I'd say you just can't put stock into everything everyone else says.  I mean... right now I'm making sense, but give me some time and I may very well contradict what all I've said.  

People like him are in the business of entertainment and guys acting out like jackasses gets a lot of attention.  Some people find it funny and other people fall into a sort of a trap where they have to make their point known and correct him.  Even if he is wrong just look at how much attention he's gotten out of this.  He even commented in the video there were over 600 people talking to him during the stream.

Edit:  On a side thought.  Thanks for giving me credit of being polite.  After rereading it I kinda think I could've been a bit more polite.  But hey.  If people don't take offense then that works just as well.

Modifié par The Smitchens, 25 mars 2012 - 09:39 .

[chibilombax]

The Smitchens wrote...

chibilombax wrote...

I appreciate the correction on using the word hypocritical. I might not agree with you on this. But thank you anyway for being polite about your views. Even if people might have been lying about going to doctor. I'm not. I had to get anti depressents after not needing them for years. It was just a stab to the gut hearing him mock sad fans. So my views on this are obviously anger filled.

People are always more likely to hear others out if they at least try to be diplomatic.  I don't like instigating problems and there's already enough pessemism here on these forums (some of which I will admit I probably haven't helped the best way possible).  If I were to give any kind of advice in this context to anyone I'd say you just can't put stock into everything everyone else says.  I mean... right now I'm making sense, but give me some time and I may very well contradict what all I've said.  

People like him are in the business of entertainment and guys acting out like jackasses gets a lot of attention.  Some people find it funny and other people fall into a sort of a trap where they have to make their point known and correct him.  Even if he is wrong just look at how much attention he's gotten out of this.  He even commented in the video there were over 600 people talking to him during the stream.

Still a shame that he feels it's okay to be a jerk because he has viewers. At least Angry Joe actually sounded sympathetic to the gamers. Spoony here just comes off as a giant troll poking at fans just to make them angry. No I'm not calling him a troll because I disagree with him. That's stupid. It was that snobby smug tone of voice he was using through what I managed to sit through because I actually got a stomach ache. And sadly started crying I'm not proud to admit that. Even when he'd make fun of final fantasy games he'd say "if you liked the games then okay" Here again it was just a shock as a fan to see him talking like that. Doesn't feel right that just because you watched a lot of sci fo movies you can call everybody stupid. The crappy part was I was actually over ME3 for the most part. I was having a good day. I saw the link to the video and thought "Oh sweet he might agree with us!"  Now I'm just back to miserable.

[Ravennus]

The Smitchens wrote...

chibilombax wrote...

The Smitchens wrote...

chibilombax wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

chibilombax wrote...

The Smitchens wrote...

I'll give him credit. He has legitimate, well thought out points of view. Can't say I picked up on any perspective that he or anyone else thought of while playing, but then I'm not the sci-fi buff that some people are. Today is also the first that I've started looking into the indoctrination theory in depth, so... yeah. Makes sense.

How exactly is him pretending to be a crying fan a "Well thought out point of view" ?? This is the same guy who had to stop videos because he had to deal with depression. I'll  comment for him to get over it next time he brings that crap up.

Are you comparing depression, a serious human matter to a video game ending?

Cause.. that's kinda wrong.

No. But some players have had to get medical help for depression like symptoms after this game. Including myself. Hearing him mocking the players like that was just a load of bull****.

Ok.  If you're joking (which I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say I get it) then you've just discredited everything you've said up until now.  Also.  The correct answer would be yes.  Not no, because you actually are, in that sentence, comparing depression to a video game ending.  You've just said the exact opposite of what you just said.

If you actually do, by some slim chance, mean for that to be taken seriously... then I don't think any of us can help you.

I'll try again to explain. I figured since he suffers from depression he'd sympathize a little with the fans. Clearly I was mistaken. It seemed very hypocritical of him since fans spoiled him with "get well!" comments and yet doesn't seem to care about other people who just so happen to be upset and also getting medical help with depression. There were a few forum posts after ME3 came out of people admitting they were going to doctors for help. My comment was made in anger because I was a long time fan of Spoony. And yet seeing him act this way was just disgusting. I enjoy the Indoc Theory too but he expressed his opinion like a true jackass. Mocking, yelling, "I'm right your wrong" is not how opinions tend to be discussed. It just seemed cold to hear him mocking the Tali fans who wanted to build a house for her. This game can be brutal for some people who enjoyed the series for five or so years. People obviously get attatched. No I didn't mean to compare actual depression to a video game. Only saying it was just a dick move to mock people who are genuinely upset and possibly heart broken. I apologize if I offended with the depression comparison. That comment was again made in anger and disgust.

On Spoony's meical condition:
I don't know much about his medical history, but it's still irrelevant.  Hypocritical isn't the right word for this.  It's definition doesn't line up with the context.  What you're looking for is ungrateful.

On people commenting about going to the doctor because of ME3.
They're lying to you.  Don't believe everything you see on the internet.  Believe it when you see an actual doctor diagnosing a game's ending for PTSD.  Otherwise they're giving you the run around.  Gullability: 1.  You: 0.

His approach.
I'm a fan of his to an extent.  I like some of his stuff, but other stuff.  Meh.  But he's always willingly admitted he's an outspoken jerk about things.  In the video in this thread he even calls himself out on it saying it's "a character".  It's an internet personality.  Not something for people to take seriously.  Just gotta have the skin to deal with people because you're always going to find someone that says something that doesn't line up with your perspective.  If you can't dust it off life is only going to get worse for you.  And I meant that "you" as a general statement.  Not you in specific.

On the investment into ME3.
By all means I line up with a lot of the accusations he made.  You know what?  They are legitimate.  He has valid points and sometimes I was at the end of the shooting range.  I can't argue because... yeah... he's right.  What am I going to do?  Cry?  If I did that everytime someone proved me wrong I'd drown the world.

On the depression.
Doesn't offend me any.  I don't have to own up to your words be it well thought out or made in spontaneous emotion.

Polite?

Sure... thanks for calling me a liar and also calling into question the validity of clinical depression.

[chibilombax]

Ravennus wrote...

The Smitchens wrote...

chibilombax wrote...

The Smitchens wrote...

chibilombax wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

chibilombax wrote...

The Smitchens wrote...

I'll give him credit. He has legitimate, well thought out points of view. Can't say I picked up on any perspective that he or anyone else thought of while playing, but then I'm not the sci-fi buff that some people are. Today is also the first that I've started looking into the indoctrination theory in depth, so... yeah. Makes sense.

How exactly is him pretending to be a crying fan a "Well thought out point of view" ?? This is the same guy who had to stop videos because he had to deal with depression. I'll  comment for him to get over it next time he brings that crap up.

Are you comparing depression, a serious human matter to a video game ending?

Cause.. that's kinda wrong.

No. But some players have had to get medical help for depression like symptoms after this game. Including myself. Hearing him mocking the players like that was just a load of bull****.

Ok.  If you're joking (which I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say I get it) then you've just discredited everything you've said up until now.  Also.  The correct answer would be yes.  Not no, because you actually are, in that sentence, comparing depression to a video game ending.  You've just said the exact opposite of what you just said.

If you actually do, by some slim chance, mean for that to be taken seriously... then I don't think any of us can help you.

I'll try again to explain. I figured since he suffers from depression he'd sympathize a little with the fans. Clearly I was mistaken. It seemed very hypocritical of him since fans spoiled him with "get well!" comments and yet doesn't seem to care about other people who just so happen to be upset and also getting medical help with depression. There were a few forum posts after ME3 came out of people admitting they were going to doctors for help. My comment was made in anger because I was a long time fan of Spoony. And yet seeing him act this way was just disgusting. I enjoy the Indoc Theory too but he expressed his opinion like a true jackass. Mocking, yelling, "I'm right your wrong" is not how opinions tend to be discussed. It just seemed cold to hear him mocking the Tali fans who wanted to build a house for her. This game can be brutal for some people who enjoyed the series for five or so years. People obviously get attatched. No I didn't mean to compare actual depression to a video game. Only saying it was just a dick move to mock people who are genuinely upset and possibly heart broken. I apologize if I offended with the depression comparison. That comment was again made in anger and disgust.

On Spoony's meical condition:
I don't know much about his medical history, but it's still irrelevant.  Hypocritical isn't the right word for this.  It's definition doesn't line up with the context.  What you're looking for is ungrateful.

On people commenting about going to the doctor because of ME3.
They're lying to you.  Don't believe everything you see on the internet.  Believe it when you see an actual doctor diagnosing a game's ending for PTSD.  Otherwise they're giving you the run around.  Gullability: 1.  You: 0.

His approach.
I'm a fan of his to an extent.  I like some of his stuff, but other stuff.  Meh.  But he's always willingly admitted he's an outspoken jerk about things.  In the video in this thread he even calls himself out on it saying it's "a character".  It's an internet personality.  Not something for people to take seriously.  Just gotta have the skin to deal with people because you're always going to find someone that says something that doesn't line up with your perspective.  If you can't dust it off life is only going to get worse for you.  And I meant that "you" as a general statement.  Not you in specific.

On the investment into ME3.
By all means I line up with a lot of the accusations he made.  You know what?  They are legitimate.  He has valid points and sometimes I was at the end of the shooting range.  I can't argue because... yeah... he's right.  What am I going to do?  Cry?  If I did that everytime someone proved me wrong I'd drown the world.

On the depression.
Doesn't offend me any.  I don't have to own up to your words be it well thought out or made in spontaneous emotion.

Polite?

Sure... thanks for calling me a liar and also calling into question the validity of clinical depression.

I really didn't want to argue. They want to believe people lie about stuff like this then fine. I'm done talking about it

[Pallid]

chibilombax wrote...
Still a shame that he feels it's okay to be a jerk because he has viewers. At least Angry Joe actually sounded sympathetic to the gamers.

Not exactly... He feels it's ok to be a jerk to his hardcore fans, and he hopes that they understand him properly. Like I said, it's banter, hell, the title of the video has "versus" in it. Angry Joe gave us a legitimate review, designed for everyone, Spoony's video has completly different format and purpose.

[The Smitchens]

Ravennus wrote...

Polite?

Sure... thanks for calling me a liar and also calling into question the validity of clinical depression.

I knew it was only a matter of time before someone called me out.

If you're going to the doctor for depression because you've played a video game then your problems predate the game and are rooted much more deeply.  People aren't going to develop a case of clinical depression because they were traumatized by the ending of a video game.

Were you completely mentally healthy before the game and upon beating it so traumetized that a doctor inevitably diagnosed you with clinical depression that could infaliably only be linked to the ending of ME3?  That's what I'm referring to.  If that's what you are claiming then I stand by my statement.

If you already had a diagnosis then it's unfair to blame ME3 because any number of external variables could have triggered it.

If you're telling the truth then you of all people should know that chemical imbalancements have a huge range of potential causes and linking them to any one thing is incredibly difficult, and linking a game as a cause is far, far more fetched.  Blaming a game for triggering a side effect of something you already had is acceptable, but understood that it's not the only thing that has done that.

If you are lying then welcome to the internet, everyone.  That's what people do here.

Modifié par The Smitchens, 25 mars 2012 - 10:19 .

[Austin N]

chibilombax wrote...

Terraforming2154 wrote...

I usually like spoony, but man he comes off like an ass in this. Calling people losers for getting worked up over a video game? Really? Isn't that what he does for a living?

Maybe the indoctrination theory has some merit, but what if it is just bad writing that provided no closure? People have every right to call Bioware on it.

I know that hurt to watch....Wasn't thinking he'd be that mad at the fans. Really sucked to hear since I like his reviews usually. He's not usually that much of a jerk.

He isn't? Isn't Spoony pretty notorious for being a jerk?

[KTheAlchemist]

The Smitchens wrote...

Ravennus wrote...

Polite?

Sure... thanks for calling me a liar and also calling into question the validity of clinical depression.

I knew it was only a matter of time before someone called me out.

If you're going to the doctor for depression because you've played a video game then your problems predate the game and are rooted much more deeply.  People aren't going to develop a case of clinical depression because they were traumatized by the ending of a video game.

Were you completely mentally healthy before the game and upon beating it so traumetized that a doctor inevitably diagnosed you with clinical depression that could infaliably only be linked to the ending of ME3?  That's what I'm referring to.  If that's what you are claiming then I stand by my statement.

If you already had a diagnosis then it's unfair to blame ME3 because any number of external variables could have triggered it.

If you're telling the truth then you of all people should know that chemical imbalancements have a huge range of potential causes and linking them to any one thing is incredibly difficult, and linking a game as a cause is far, far more fetched.  Blaming a game for triggering a side effect of something you already had is acceptable, but understood that it's not the only thing that has done that.

If you are lying then welcome to the internet, everyone.  That's what people do here.

I don't think that anyone is claiming that ME3 caused their depression, but rather that it served as a trigger. I have clinical depression, I know all about triggers. Thankfully, I'd already gone back on anti depressants a few weeks prior to playing ME3 due to other IRL stresses that have been in my life lately. I'd rather not think about how bad I'd have felt if I'd gone into that thing without them.

[Ravennus]

The Smitchens wrote...

Ravennus wrote...

Polite?

Sure... thanks for calling me a liar and also calling into question the validity of clinical depression.

I knew it was only a matter of time before someone called me out.

If you're going to the doctor for depression because you've played a video game then your problems predate the game and are rooted much more deeply.  People aren't going to develop a case of clinical depression because they were traumatized by the ending of a video game.

Were you completely mentally healthy before the game and upon beating it so traumetized that a doctor inevitably diagnosed you with clinical depression that could infaliably only be linked to the ending of ME3?  That's what I'm referring to.  If that's what you are claiming then I stand by my statement.

If you already had a diagnosis then it's unfair to blame ME3 because any number of external variables could have triggered it.

If you're telling the truth then you of all people should know that chemical imbalancements have a huge range of potential causes and linking them to any one thing is incredibly difficult, and linking a game as a cause is far, far more fetched.  Blaming a game for triggering a side effect of something you already had is acceptable, but understood that it's not the only thing that has done that.

If you are lying then welcome to the internet, everyone.  That's what people do here.

If you bothered to read my post you would know that I never claimed ME3 caused my depression.
In fact, I said I didn't blame ME3 or bioware at all.
I also stated that I've been dealing with depression for my entire adult life (15+ years).

All I said was that the ending of the game was a trigger for my depression to flare up again.  I DID have to seek help, though I never blamed my issues on a video game.  I know better than that.

The same thing can happen if someone attacks me verbally or something else negative happens in my life.
As an adult who's dealt with depression for a long time, I know that it causes my REACTION to go out of wack with reality.  I still know in my head it's a game. 
But that's the nature of depression... it isn't always logical.

Yet for you and others to say that those of us who suffer from depression and were affected by the ending are lying... shame on you.

[LeftyLike2]

I absolutly hate it when people compare games to movies..

If people see movies and dislike the ending they do (as Spoony does) rant about it, then move on..because people watch movies because of the story, and the ending is part of the story.

In games like Borderlands, the story is less important..no one really cares if the ending sucked, they rant about it and move on.

Mass Effect is a game where story is just as important as the rest of the game.
One of the best things about Mass Effect is how you can actually make decisions that alter the story (not alot of Sci-Fi movies that can do that)..and the fun thing about making descions (big and small) is seeing their consequences.

At the end of Mass Effect 3 you can only guess what the consequences where..

What if Mass Effect ended with every question answerd, but gave a subtle hint at the end that Shepard was in fact syntethic.
that - unable to save Shepards life - Cerberus desided to create an A.I that was nearly impossible to distinguish from the real Shepard.
That would leave one thing open to interpretation..some fans beliving that it would be impossible because of this and that, and others saying it makes sense.
(yes, it might remind you of something)

Instead we have a theory that is supposed to explain every flaw with the ending.

No good sci-fi movie ever did that..they only leave one thing up for interpretation.

tl;dr
I disagree with Spoony about comparing Mass Effect to Sci-Fi movies.

[LordJeyl]

Spoony Quotes.

1. I'm completely right, and the world is fu**ing wrong.

2. If you didn't like the ending to Mass Effect 3, you are too stupid to understand it. You are stupid. If you honestly think that you're taking the ending that you see at face value, you're fu**ing stupid.

3. Let's just say that Mass Effect 3 for the sake of argument is the worst ending in the history of "fiction". I'll give you that! Even given that, the widespread fan reaction to this ending is so fu**ing petulant and overblown and unwarranted it makes you guys look fu**ing ridiculous.

4. Petitions? Donation Drives? Take Back Mass Effect movement? The fu**ing sh** I've had to put up with on fu**ing twitter over a game? Come on! Come on. Fu** you. Fu** your entitled bullish**. It's a bad ending. I'll give you the bad ending. You're wrong, but I'll give it to ya. So what?

5. You know what we didn't do? We didn't start petitions, we didn't have donation drives, we broke each other's balls. But we didn't act like fu**ing children.

6. You're wasting my time with this sh**? Please. Please. You guys are fu**ing losers sometimes. You know that? Sad. SAD. To think that this, to think that Mass Effect 3 is what outraged you. Godda**. You guys are easy.

7. *Starts imitating a spoiled child* Oh, we were promised by BioWare! They promised us! Mommy promised me a Pony for Christmas and I didn't get it! This Christmas is ruined... God. Santa doesn't exist guys! Did I see how the Rachni Queen lived after the - Fu** you.

10. Whether or not the indoctrination ending is true, it doesn't matter for two reasons. One, it's the ending because I say it's the ending. And two, even if it is the worst ending in fiction, the reaction is wildly overblown.

11. So what happens when Shepard wakes up? Reapers are still there and people are still dying. Yeah. Yes. So what's the problem?

12. Insult your fanbase? Yes! I am insulting you because you take this sh** way too seriously. WAY too seriously. We're here to have fun. We're here to make jokes. And now some of you all are getting real butt hurt over a game.

13. I can play you guys like a harp from hell sometimes. Do you see how easily I stirred this sh** up? And it wasn't even a desire to troll you guys, it's just so fu**ing easy.

14. Yeah, I'm being mean. You're being stupid. Stop being stupid. Sure, it's hurtful. It's because you're being stupid. It hurts to be told you're stupid when you're being stupid, so stop.

15. Some of you guys is a**holes.

[Claym0re]

I have one word for Spoony.

Betraaaayaaaaal.

Therefore I suggest him being silent about who he calls whiners this time.

Modifié par Claym0re, 26 mars 2012 - 08:27 .

[shurryy]

Spoony is known for beeing a notorious jerk, don't let it get to you.
Besides, him being a jerk and raging and all that **** is what makes his shows bearable to watch, it's awesome really if you don't take it too personal.

[lordofthejewsjr]

my friends gamertag is spoonybard so i read the title and thought he was famous.

[Dreaming Dead]

...Humans.

[NubXL]

Had no idea who this guy was coming into this thread. After struggling through 15 minutes of this monumental douchebag's holier than thou attitude, I have no interest in knowing who he is after this thread.

[Claym0re]

Well his final fantasy reviews are hundred times better than this.

[Thornquist]

Spoony's Final Fantasy reviews are hillarious, you should check em out. In any case, he have stated several times that he enjoys pissing creepy fanboys off, so you need a thick skin to hear his opinions.

Dont agree with his indoctrination theory, but atleast he aint deluded enough to care if he's wrong.

I agree with his sentiment that this is blown WAY out of preportions though. Bioware dont deserve all the crap they have gotten over this.

[Kalas82]

It doesn`t matter if he has valid points (which i doubt) or not, he cannot even comunicate like a grown up and calls other peolple "whiners" "spoiled kids" ...no just no, whoever you are, get manners, learn how to talk and then i might listen to some of ur arguments and think about them.

Besides the 10minutes of this video i watched where so damn unlogical that i can hardly fathom it.
Sooo to make this ending worthwhile, story consistend, etc. i gotta imagine it beeing better? Go away kid.

This kid got to learn one thing, he`s criticing people who tried to influce their hobby with effort(time) and money (donations) and what`s he doing? Living from the very same thing? Making movie-reviews, game-reviews? And you think now ur oponion matters or is somehow entiteled? Ur basical a troll who got a fanbase, the proof is there in the very first 10minutes of this abomination of a video.

I know **** when i see it,too ..i just watched 10minutes of it, when i saw this spoiled brat (there said it) whining.
Yeah you sure have seen worse things this year than the ME3-ending ..but guess what opinions and emotions differ from person to person...holy crap take the camera away from this kid..he`s not helping himself.

[NUM13ER]

I have enjoyed Spoony's reviews on games and movies but it is hypocritical to say that his moaning is special or unique. Yes he clearly exaggerates his real-life persona and accentuates the negative for laughs in his review videos but the fact is a lot of his videos are clearly just straight up ****ing. For every alleged in-character video, there's a straight up rant about something else.

He then makes the dubious claim that his hatred of certain other media like the Star Wars prequels are more valid...because no-one could ever make the argument "It's just a film. get over it." Oh wait no it's the exact argument he throws at people hating on Mass Effects ending.

Modifié par NUM13ER, 29 mars 2012 - 01:13 .

[Ad_Hoc]

BobbyTheI wrote...

Wonder how he's going to react when the ending "clarification" is released and it's made patently obvious that indoctrination theory is just that: a theory, concocted by the fans to deal with a terrible ending.

Especially since his attitude seems to be "How could you morons be so upset about this ending, because it's obviously indoctrination theory, and anyone who doesn't believe that is stupid!"

Stage 1: denial.

Though i like IT.