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[Gigamantis]

A list ...

1.) Despite what you all want to claim you weren't "lied to."  They promised varied endings based on your choices and you got 3 of them.  If they weren't varied enough for you that's fine, you have every right to be disappointed.  Pretending you were lied to, however, is silly. 

2.) Some of you are proponents of the "happy ending" and it's the reason you're upset.  That's not your call to make and if any changes are made in that capacity to the ending it will be an outrage.  If you "fans" end up tainting the DLC like that I couldn't stomach buying it; I want the real ending.  

3.) There are many questions that still need answering and plot points that need settling.  That's pretty much what DLC is and with no loose ends there would be no conceivable reason to release more content.  You all knew there would be DLC.  


By everyone's admission the rest of the game was fantastic.  No matter what reasons you subscribe to you're overreacting and not being constructive.  Trying to sabotage the game on fan and review sites is silly.  Calling the game garbage and making empty threats on the forums is silly.  If you're disappointed voice it, but the community has been rather embarrassing on this issue.  Get your heads straight. 

Modifié par Gigamantis, 25 mars 2012 - 05:21 .

[Mr_Glasses]

Gigamantis wrote...
3.) There are many questions that still need answering and plot points that need settling.  That's pretty much what DLC is and with no loose ends there would be no conceivable reason to release more content.  You all knew there would be DLC. 

I didn't expect ME3 to be unfinished game.

[FlashedMyDrive]

Mr_Glasses wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...
3.) There are many questions that still need answering and plot points that need settling.  That's pretty much what DLC is and with no loose ends there would be no conceivable reason to release more content.  You all knew there would be DLC. 

I didn't expect ME3 to be unfinished game.

We were promised it wouldn't be an unfinished game.

[Gigamantis]

Mr_Glasses wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...
3.) There are many questions that still need answering and plot points that need settling.  That's pretty much what DLC is and with no loose ends there would be no conceivable reason to release more content.  You all knew there would be DLC. 

I didn't expect ME3 to be unfinished game.

Care to elaborate?  There was a beginning, middle and an end.  It wasn't broken.  By unfinished do you mean they left room for more content?  This is the kind of unconstructive thing I'm talking about.  You should be better than this.  

[FlashedMyDrive]

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Modifié par RaenImrahl, 25 mars 2012 - 05:28 .

[GODzilla]

The "happy ending" faction is the one I understand the least. I've seen movies / played games with bad endings where the player character was again much lesser odds then we are in ME3. I cannot believe that so many thought this would end well, in a magical and all-over victory and a big party at the end.

I expected many things, but not your typical Hollywood happy ending. Not by a long shot.

[Gigamantis]

FlashedMyDrive wrote...

Mr_Glasses wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...
3.) There are many questions that still need answering and plot points that need settling.  That's pretty much what DLC is and with no loose ends there would be no conceivable reason to release more content.  You all knew there would be DLC. 

I didn't expect ME3 to be unfinished game.

We were promised it wouldn't be an unfinished game.

That's basically saying you were promised there would be no DLC.  You'll have to cite your source on that. 

[FlashedMyDrive]

GODzilla_GSPB wrote...

The "happy ending" faction is the one I understand the least. I've seen movies / played games with bad endings where the player character was again much lesser odds then we are in ME3. I cannot believe that so many thought this would end well, in a magical and all-over victory and a big party at the end.

I expected many things, but not your typical Hollywood happy ending. Not by a long shot.

Most people didn't expect a completely happy ending with rainbows and ice cream. Please do not insult their intelligence by lumping them together.

Believe it or not, a bittersweet ending actually needs some sweet, not just bitter.

Modifié par FlashedMyDrive, 25 mars 2012 - 05:29 .

[Alexraptor1]

Yes, if you ignore the gaping plotholes and how the ending completely tramples on and undoes the entire plot and story of the preceeding games, and violates all the principle tennants of narration, etc etc etc...

We were also promised the endings would not be A, B and C... which is EXACTLY what they were.

[FlashedMyDrive]

Alexraptor1 wrote...

We were also promised the endings would not be A, B and C... which is EXACTLY what they were.

Um no... They were R, G, B.... duh!

Modifié par FlashedMyDrive, 25 mars 2012 - 05:28 .

[Alexraptor1]

FlashedMyDrive wrote...

Alexraptor1 wrote...

We were also promised the endings would not be A, B and C... which is EXACTLY what they were.

Um no... They were R, G, B.... duh!

Of course! silly me!

[bigbade]

1.)- "Will there be an ending where the reapers win?"
-" Yes."

Find me the reapers win ending, I'll wait.

2.) Then don't buy it.

3.) Remind me how ME1 or 2 left loose threads in their ending. Overlord dlc didn't answer any questions about the reapers, Shadow Broker and Arrival were dlcs that led up to ME3 by ADDING more plot instead of wrapping anything up, which is what DLC should be. At the end of ME2 reapers are slowly floating in from dark space, without arrival we could have easily assumed that they'll arrive in a while, hell arrival wasn't even necessary, it was just made to add a sense of urgency to it all. 

Regardless of the fact that the previous 2 didn't leave any questions unanswered, they actually could have because we knew there was something coming after. Leaving loose threads and plot holes in the conclusion isn't at all "a satisfying end" to any series.

Modifié par bigbade, 25 mars 2012 - 05:32 .

[da mighty rEAper]

MASS EFFECT 3

}(+){

-dialogue choices are lot less but differ greatly compared to rest of the trilogy
-better controls(cover usage, running, tumbles)
-character relationship feels more alive( both between crew members and shep with his/her LI )

}(-){

-story is silly (that crucible **** is so dumb)
-tailored for multiplayer
-retarded and uninteresting sidequests(eavesdropping)
-plot of other trilogy games was changed for some retarded( or just extremely bad executed) technological singularity idea
-despite refusing they still failed with day one dlc, as to there is no reason to not include such valuable content in the game
-reapers are dumb (oh hi dere Sovereign)
-Cerberus and TIM storywise potential is COMPLETELY WASTED
-retarded antagonist (that asian assassin is so retarded, i almost felt like i was watching some stupid anime)

thats not all

[Gigamantis]

Alexraptor1 wrote...

Yes, if you ignore the gaping plotholes and how the ending completely tramples on and undoes the entire plot and story of the preceeding games, and violates all the principle tennants of narration, etc etc etc...

We were also promised the endings would not be A, B and C... which is EXACTLY what they were.

I've seen the ending and it doesn't trample on anything.  I've noticed the unsettled plot mechanics and just assumed they were left to make room for more content.  We all knew DLC was coming so some things had to still be left to explain or explore.  

The rest of what you're saying is either marginal or complete nonsense.  Like I said, more constructive and less emotional is required. 

[BeefoTheBold]

And here's why the ending wasn't fine.

http://angryjoeshow....fect-3s-ending/

[bigbade]

Gigamantis wrote...

I've seen the ending and it doesn't trample on anything.  I've noticed the unsettled plot mechanics and just assumed they were left to make room for more content.  We all knew DLC was coming so some things had to still be left to explain or explore.  

The rest of what you're saying is either marginal or complete nonsense.  Like I said, more constructive and less emotional is required. 

If we ignore the fact that the ending tramples on the whole series' continuity, bioware already stated that their DLCs would more than likely all take place pre-ending because the ending was just that, the ending. No exploration/explanation DLC was to be assumed, ever. 

[Praetor Knight]

I don't need nor really want a happy ending, I'm fine with tragedy like Shepard dieing, but what I expected was more closure to the immediate fate of the Galaxy, and not so much, as others have put it, "space magic" to defeat the Reapers. If we were told in the Epilogue that it would take Centuries to defeat the Reapers throughout the Galaxy, I'd be cool with that since the Reapers were built up as an unstoppable force.

So put another way, the three ways that the Crucible can take out the Reapers was way too convenient for me, and then having the Catalyst look as it did and limit Shepard's options as it did without protest left me confused as to how it chose that form and disappointed with that whole conversation. Then with how we have to watch the Normandy and Stargazer afterwards... yeah, but I'll say no more.

[AgentEpsilona]

Games should not be made to have plot holes, and then expensive DLC released so that there are no plot holes. If I buy a game, I expect it to be complete; DLC should optional add-ons, they shouldn't fix a broken game.

[Peranor]

Ok! I'll be damned but I admit. I really wanted the game to end like this:


Goddamnit! That doesn't make me a bad person.
What have the world come to when we can't even be allowed to find a little happiness in the fiction we flee to to get away from all the evil, tragedy and despair that surrounds us in the real world?!
Give me my happy ending. I deserve it and so does the story itself!

[Fuzrum77]

Gigamantis wrote...

A list ...

1.) Despite what you all want to claim you weren't "lied to."  They promised varied endings based on your choices and you got 3 of them.  If they weren't varied enough for you that's fine, you have every right to be disappointed.  Pretending you were lied to, however, is silly. 

2.) Some of you are proponents of the "happy ending" and it's the reason you're upset.  That's not your call to make and if any changes are made in that capacity to the ending it will be an outrage.  If you "fans" end up tainting the DLC like that I couldn't stomach buying it; I want the real ending.  

3.) There are many questions that still need answering and plot points that need settling.  That's pretty much what DLC is and with no loose ends there would be no conceivable reason to release more content.  You all knew there would be DLC.  


By everyone's admission the rest of the game was fantastic.  No matter what reasons you subscribe to you're overreacting and not being constructive.  Trying to sabotage the game on fan and review sites is silly.  Calling the game garbage and making empty threats on the forums is silly.  If you're disappointed voice it, but the community has been rather embarrassing on this issue.  Get your heads straight. 

Once again, we're all being lumped into the same category. I think you'll find a lot of us are very reasonable and very constructive with our criticism. I've never review-bombed a game in my life. Especialy this amazing game (endings aside). There's bad apples in both "camps." I disagree wholeheartedly with your points 1 and 2. But that's okay. You're enitled to your very valid opinion. As long as you respect my opinion of the game, I will always extend you the same courtesy.

[Aesieru]

Gigamantis wrote...

A list ...

1.) Despite what you all want to claim you weren't "lied to."  They promised varied endings based on your choices and you got 3 of them.  If they weren't varied enough for you that's fine, you have every right to be disappointed.  Pretending you were lied to, however, is silly. 

2.) Some of you are proponents of the "happy ending" and it's the reason you're upset.  That's not your call to make and if any changes are made in that capacity to the ending it will be an outrage.  If you "fans" end up tainting the DLC like that I couldn't stomach buying it; I want the real ending.  

3.) There are many questions that still need answering and plot points that need settling.  That's pretty much what DLC is and with no loose ends there would be no conceivable reason to release more content.  You all knew there would be DLC.  


By everyone's admission the rest of the game was fantastic.  No matter what reasons you subscribe to you're overreacting and not being constructive.  Trying to sabotage the game on fan and review sites is silly.  Calling the game garbage and making empty threats on the forums is silly.  If you're disappointed voice it, but the community has been rather embarrassing on this issue.  Get your heads straight. 

Assets were replaced by generic fleets and armies that did not do anything except die miserably and forwent any technological application of the universe as we know it.

Continuity was thrown out the window.

Our choices all resulted in the same stream-lined result, no matter what we did to get there.

Our relations, interactions, and alliances really meant nothing.

Things such as the Rachni and other variable assets that were promised to have significant impact... had literally none.

So many things were lied to, and the list is huge.

[Gigamantis]

bigbade wrote...

1.)- "Will there be an ending where the reapers win?"
-" Yes."

Find me the reapers win ending, I'll wait.

2.) Then don't buy it.

3.) Remind me how ME1 or 2 left loose threads in their ending. Overlord dlc didn't answer any questions about the reapers, Shadow Broker and Arrival were dlcs that led up to ME3 by ADDING more plot instead of wrapping anything up, which is what DLC should be. At the end of ME2 reapers are slowly floating in from dark space, without arrival we could have easily assumed that they'll arrive in a while, hell arrival wasn't even necessary, it was just made to add a sense of urgency to it all. 

Regardless of the fact that the previous 2 didn't leave any questions unanswered, they actually could have because we knew there was something coming after. Leaving loose threads and plot holes in the conclusion isn't at all "a satisfying end" to any series.

1.) Source?  It would be funny if they were spoiling potential endings in interviews, but this is marginal.  Things change in developlment.  

2.) I won't, and I don't see why anyone would.  The only thing worse than an artist compromising his vision is him selling out 100% to the point where nothing of his vision is left.  

3.) ME 1 and 2 didn't need loose ends for content because the series still existed.  The conflict was still in full effect after each game but this was the definitive end.  All that's left content wise is to go into more detail on what happened on how everything plays out in the end.

Modifié par Gigamantis, 25 mars 2012 - 05:40 .

[moeman654]

 I posted this over at fiannawolf's blog entry

http://social.biowar...300/blog/212158

[PaddlePop]

Mr_Glasses wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...
3.) There are many questions that still need answering and plot points that need settling.  That's pretty much what DLC is and with no loose ends there would be no conceivable reason to release more content.  You all knew there would be DLC. 

I didn't expect ME3 to be unfinished game.

[Alexraptor1]

People, its pretty obvious were being trolled here.