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[Impulse and Compulse]

1. We were lied to. I'm paraphrasing here, but I'm sure you can find the actual quote around here somewhere. Bottom line: they said that they wouldn't just give us an "A, B, or C door" situation, and that it would reflect the choices we made. A different colored explosion does not constitute a different ending.

2. That would be fine and dandy if this was a novel or movie. But it's not; Bioware wanted to make a game that was OUR story. We worked hard to save all our crew members and build all the resources because we wanted to see all of our efforts pay off in victory, not watching the galaxy burn either way.

And don't use quotation marks referring to us as fans, you condescending ass. The only reason we care enough is because we're that invested into our own Commander Shepard that being slapped in the face hurts even more.

3. Yes, DLC can help extend the story, but it'swrong to withold content from your game so that you can charge even more for it down the line. We don't like it, and we will answer with our wallets when the time comes.

[Gigamantis]

Rockworm503 wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Salis777 wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

Salis777 wrote...

zingro wrote...

meh your better off banging ya head against a wall with threads like this.

Yeah, 75% of them are just Gigamantis or Father_Jerusalem spamming.  Usually best to avoid them.

LOL I noticed and then they'll come back and use this saying "oh you can't say I'm wrong so your resorting to silly pictures blah blah I'm right no matter what"

Using silly pictures instead of actual points is definitely an interesting discussion strategy.  Not my own method, but this is a gaming forum, so brilliant retorte friend. 

Good job proving his point lol.

I agree with his point, I do think using silly pictures instead of actual points makes you look ineffective. 

No my point was that you were going to use that picture as a way to look better and use it against us.
Not only did you do that with flying colors but you completely miss whate everyone has been saying about you.
You ignore what everyone is saying and just copy and paste your points over and over again.
How can anyone argue with someone like that?

I'm responding to every point made, but it doesn't mean I won't laugh at the fact that you're all being reduced to silly pictures.  It's fun watching you fall apart.  I won't let it stop me from addressing other people though. 

[Mission]

bigbade wrote...

1.)- "Will there be an ending where the reapers win?"
-" Yes."

Find me the reapers win ending, I'll wait.

There is a reapers win ending. Just a game over screen and no cutscene.

Modifié par Gswright, 25 mars 2012 - 10:24 .

[Rockworm503]

Faust1979 wrote...

Alexraptor1 wrote...

People, its pretty obvious were being trolled here.

why do you assume you're being trolled? people aren't allowed to have a different opinion than you?

No such things as trolls amiirite?

[Gigamantis]

Salis777 wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Salis777 wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Most all DLC is just stuff that was branched off of incomplete plot points.  Once something is complete you can't build off it.  Logic is fun, isn't it?  

Yes because creativity and writing are mathematical equations.  Failing at logic, again lol.

So, you're conceding the logic point and moving on to creativity?  Lovely.  I think addressing these points in much larger DLC packages will be more creatively satisfying than trying to squeeze everything into the existing ending.  Response? 

So, you're conceding the logic point and ignoring the answer?  Lovely.  I think addressing these points in much larger DLC packages will be less creatively satisfying than trying to squeeze everything into the existing ending.  Response? 

My response is that things you're able to put more effort into give you more opportunity to be creative.  Why would I concede the logic point right after you conceded it.  That's illogical. 

[Rockworm503]

Gigamantis wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Salis777 wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

Salis777 wrote...

zingro wrote...

meh your better off banging ya head against a wall with threads like this.

Yeah, 75% of them are just Gigamantis or Father_Jerusalem spamming.  Usually best to avoid them.

LOL I noticed and then they'll come back and use this saying "oh you can't say I'm wrong so your resorting to silly pictures blah blah I'm right no matter what"

Using silly pictures instead of actual points is definitely an interesting discussion strategy.  Not my own method, but this is a gaming forum, so brilliant retorte friend. 

Good job proving his point lol.

I agree with his point, I do think using silly pictures instead of actual points makes you look ineffective. 

No my point was that you were going to use that picture as a way to look better and use it against us.
Not only did you do that with flying colors but you completely miss whate everyone has been saying about you.
You ignore what everyone is saying and just copy and paste your points over and over again.
How can anyone argue with someone like that?

I'm responding to every point made, but it doesn't mean I won't laugh at the fact that you're all being reduced to silly pictures.  It's fun watching you fall apart.  I won't let it stop me from addressing other people though. 

Yeah I'm not even taking you seriously anymore how am I falling apart when I'm too busy laughing?

[JimReaperROK]

 Dlc shouldn't be dependant on a game being unfinished or having unanswered questions. Dlc should add NEW content to expand the game, it's job should not be to clarify or overwrite any thing from the original game. There is a thin line between adding to something and overwriting it. Unfortunately in this case, some clarification/overwriting dlc is needed due to the original game not having the answers. I suppose bioware can be proud, if this whole ending thing happened to a lesser game or lesser game series, it wouldn't of been as much of a problem. Take rage or example, worst ending ever made. The fact is mass effect is loved by so many and Rightly so, therefore when a game is meant to the end of a series and the final scenes don't live up to standard, those same fans who built a relationship with the character and the universe have a right to voice that since they have invested money in the company during the series. For me personally, it's not just the unanswered questions, the ending just didn't seem epic enough for an end to such a good trilogy. I wanted to see action, like the take earth back trailer. I wanted to see Krogan charging, Elcor living tanks, I wanted to see the war assets I spent time doing fetch quests to gain, being involved in an epic trailer like video sequence. 

Thats just my view though.

Modifié par JimReaperROK, 25 mars 2012 - 10:28 .

[Gigamantis]

Yeah I'm not even taking you seriously anymore how am I falling apart when I'm too busy laughing?

It's cool, there's only roughly 2 people I was taking seriously in this thread and you weren't ever one of them. There are some relatively intelligent people on the other side of this debate, but ... you should probably go find a nice picture to post. It's cute how you try.

Modifié par Gigamantis, 25 mars 2012 - 10:29 .

[Salis777]

Gigamantis wrote...

Salis777 wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Salis777 wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Most all DLC is just stuff that was branched off of incomplete plot points.  Once something is complete you can't build off it.  Logic is fun, isn't it?  

Yes because creativity and writing are mathematical equations.  Failing at logic, again lol.

So, you're conceding the logic point and moving on to creativity?  Lovely.  I think addressing these points in much larger DLC packages will be more creatively satisfying than trying to squeeze everything into the existing ending.  Response? 

So, you're conceding the logic point and ignoring the answer?  Lovely.  I think addressing these points in much larger DLC packages will be less creatively satisfying than trying to squeeze everything into the existing ending.  Response? 

My response is that things you're able to put more effort into give you more opportunity to be creative.  Why would I concede the logic point right after you conceded it.  That's illogical. 

To say (see above),

Most all DLC is just stuff that was branched off of incomplete plot
points.  Once something is complete you can't build off it.  Logic is
fun, isn't it? 

is a logical paradox, you can't say that something which does not adhere to logic (creativity and writing) can be analysed with logic.  I don't mean specific plot points, I mean you cannot say a piece of fiction is complete (logically).  I can write a book about little green monkeys from Mars if I want.

Your responses after that devolved into obtusion and poor attempts to avoid discussing it.  None of it really makes any sense.

If you're going to use logic, at least try to understand where it should be used.  Otherwise you're just wasting everyones time.

[d.nichols]

I could've cut out everything you said, and just paraphrased it as "Here's why the endings were fine... because I said so."

But the biggest thing about this post that I take issue with, is that you say that loose ends need to be tied up by DLC. That SHOULDN'T happen. I should have a complete narrative in the copy at home. I shouldn't have to pay extra for closure and clarity.

I don't want the ending changed. The ending we got is... well the ending we got. It's just not a very good one, that's an opinion. What is not an opinion is that Bioware is making us pay for closure to a story. That's unprecedented.

[Skeloton]

Wow this **** is still going on?

[freestylez]

The true criticisms with the ending they the majority speaks of isn't even addressed in this thread. Rather a bunch of not-so-well constructed strawmans such as "you're mad about the sad ending" is used to deflect the real issue. When provided with links such as the GameInformer article that actually dissect the real issues with ME3, Gigamantis evades the arguments by saying "I don't want to discuss spoilers!" or "they don't discuss my Strawmans!"

There's really no point to this thread.

[Faust1979]

freestylez wrote...

The true criticisms with the ending they the majority speaks of isn't even addressed in this thread. Rather a bunch of not-so-well constructed strawmans such as "you're mad about the sad ending" is used to deflect the real issue. When provided with links such as the GameInformer article that actually dissect the real issues with ME3, Gigamantis evades the arguments by saying "I don't want to discuss spoilers!" or "they don't discuss my Strawmans!"

There's really no point to this thread.

it seems the point is that detractors just have a problem with anyone that likes the ending and immediatly jump down someones throat wanting them to explain themselves and can't fathom that someone might have a different opinion than them.

[Nepp]

Faust1979 wrote...

it seems the point is that detractors just have a problem with anyone that likes the ending and immediatly jump down someones throat wanting them to explain themselves and can't fathom that someone might have a different opinion than them.

There is no good explanation for the ending of ME3. It's illogical and has no bearing to the ME series. It's fine if you liked it, but it was ripped off, and that deus ex machina is a poor plot device used by writers who can't think of an original idea themselves, or are just plain bad writers.

[Skeloton]

Faust1979 wrote...

freestylez wrote...

The true criticisms with the ending they the majority speaks of isn't even addressed in this thread. Rather a bunch of not-so-well constructed strawmans such as "you're mad about the sad ending" is used to deflect the real issue. When provided with links such as the GameInformer article that actually dissect the real issues with ME3, Gigamantis evades the arguments by saying "I don't want to discuss spoilers!" or "they don't discuss my Strawmans!"

There's really no point to this thread.

it seems the point is that detractors just have a problem with anyone that likes the ending and immediatly jump down someones throat wanting them to explain themselves and can't fathom that someone might have a different opinion than them.

jumping to conclusions wont help. have you actually read gigamantis posts? or do you jump to defend every OP??
he wont bother to understand why we dilike/hate the ending. he also thinks its a good idea to cut content, like the closure of the mass effect franchise, and sell it for extra as dlc

[Salis777]

Faust1979 wrote...

freestylez wrote...

The true criticisms with the ending they the majority speaks of isn't even addressed in this thread. Rather a bunch of not-so-well constructed strawmans such as "you're mad about the sad ending" is used to deflect the real issue. When provided with links such as the GameInformer article that actually dissect the real issues with ME3, Gigamantis evades the arguments by saying "I don't want to discuss spoilers!" or "they don't discuss my Strawmans!"

There's really no point to this thread.

it seems the point is that detractors just have a problem with anyone that likes the ending and immediatly jump down someones throat wanting them to explain themselves and can't fathom that someone might have a different opinion than them.

By all means like the ending, I think you're going to have a hard time saying it's well written or logical though.  If it was we'd all be discussing the better points of the game.  It's a bad sign when people are making things up to rationalise your story.

There's a difference between a subjective opinion (I liked the ending) and an objective opinion (The endings were well written/logical).  I think if someone gives you crap for A), ignore it.  The debate over B is a hot issue and you're in the minority taking that side. 

By all means argue it, but expect a lot of people replying and disagreeing.  You can't really complain about that.

[Faust1979]

Skeloton wrote...

Faust1979 wrote...

freestylez wrote...

The true criticisms with the ending they the majority speaks of isn't even addressed in this thread. Rather a bunch of not-so-well constructed strawmans such as "you're mad about the sad ending" is used to deflect the real issue. When provided with links such as the GameInformer article that actually dissect the real issues with ME3, Gigamantis evades the arguments by saying "I don't want to discuss spoilers!" or "they don't discuss my Strawmans!"

There's really no point to this thread.

it seems the point is that detractors just have a problem with anyone that likes the ending and immediatly jump down someones throat wanting them to explain themselves and can't fathom that someone might have a different opinion than them.

jumping to conclusions wont help. have you actually read gigamantis posts? or do you jump to defend every OP??
he wont bother to understand why we dilike/hate the ending. he also thinks its a good idea to cut content, like the closure of the mass effect franchise, and sell it for extra as dlc

I understand why they hate it because people on here won't stop making the same posts about it. People like different things, people hate different things no one will have the same opinion on what they like or don't like but yet a lot of people on here seem to have a big problem with that opinion's and I'm tired of seeing people attacked because they like the ending

[Nejeli]

Gigamantis wrote...

A list ...

1.) Despite what you all want to claim you weren't "lied to."  They promised varied endings based on your choices and you got 3 of them.  If they weren't varied enough for you that's fine, you have every right to be disappointed.  Pretending you were lied to, however, is silly. 

2.) Some of you are proponents of the "happy ending" and it's the reason you're upset.  That's not your call to make and if any changes are made in that capacity to the ending it will be an outrage.  If you "fans" end up tainting the DLC like that I couldn't stomach buying it; I want the real ending.  

3.) There are many questions that still need answering and plot points that need settling.  That's pretty much what DLC is and with no loose ends there would be no conceivable reason to release more content.  You all knew there would be DLC.  

1. Three endings that are almost carbon copies of each other with just minor differences (maybe the soldiers are cheering! maybe they're not! maybe joker is glowing green!) Even who gets off the Normandy after the crash seems to be randomly determined rather than based off of any choices you make. Joker is a given, but why were crew members that were following me to the beam walking off the ship? Why was my LI there, even though he was stranded on Earth? Why would characters that were, not that long ago, swearing to follow Shepard to hell and back suddenly running and adandoning him?

2. The ending will never be happy. Unless they make the Indoc Theory canon, the Relays will still be destroyed; worlds will still be ruined; species will still be stranded. The main thing I've seen people asking for as far as a "happy ending" goes is for a Shepard that lives to be reunited with his/her LI and crew, but that wouldn't negate all the other problems that are left.

3. TPTB were saying that any dlc would be set pre-ending. There was never any talk of post-ending dlc until the fuss about the endings started. They'd planned to leave the endings as is.

[Skeloton]

Faust....if you read OPs posts you can see he sort of had it coming. Also you never commented on the VIC cut from the game then sold as dlc.

[Faust1979]

Skeloton wrote...

Faust....if you read OPs posts you can see he sort of had it coming. Also you never commented on the VIC cut from the game then sold as dlc.

because I don't care about it and rarely ever get dlc so it doesn't affect me

[Oldbones2]

Gigamantis wrote...

A list ...

1.) Despite what you all want to claim you weren't "lied to."  They promised varied endings based on your choices and you got 3 of them.  If they weren't varied enough for you that's fine, you have every right to be disappointed.  Pretending you were lied to, however, is silly. 

2.) Some of you are proponents of the "happy ending" and it's the reason you're upset.  That's not your call to make and if any changes are made in that capacity to the ending it will be an outrage.  If you "fans" end up tainting the DLC like that I couldn't stomach buying it; I want the real ending.  

3.) There are many questions that still need answering and plot points that need settling.  That's pretty much what DLC is and with no loose ends there would be no conceivable reason to release more content.  You all knew there would be DLC.  


By everyone's admission the rest of the game was fantastic.  No matter what reasons you subscribe to you're overreacting and not being constructive.  Trying to sabotage the game on fan and review sites is silly.  Calling the game garbage and making empty threats on the forums is silly.  If you're disappointed voice it, but the community has been rather embarrassing on this issue.  Get your heads straight. 

1 Bioware litlerally said 'There won't be a bespoke ending.'  Also, 'It won't be an A, B, C choice.'  They only way it wasn't ABC was if you sucked and didn't get the war assets for synthesis.

That's lying my friend.  You cannot say otherwise.

2 Your argument here is absurd for two reasons.  For me specifically;
A. It assumes you know what I wanted three weeks ago.
B. It assumes you think what I wanted is why I hated the ending.

I can promise you that you are correct, I was always holding out hope that Shepard would somehow, some way come through this game alive.  I felt like he earned it.  I felt like he deserved a happy ending.

But when Anderson dies on the elevator.  I thought, this is it.  Shepard will die.  But the Crucible will fire and then I'll see how the Krogan will be different this time.  How the Geth will help the Quarians rebuild Rannoch.  How Miranda will find some solace with her life (my LI)  AND I WAS SATISFIED.

You know what happens next.

Everything I did was undone.  EVERYTHING.  The same three things happen no matter what.  Relays, death, Reapers.

AND 

Nothing is (very) different in the insultingly similar cutscenes.  There is NO reason for those cutscenes to be so similar.  None at all except for keeping down costs. 

3 I feel that DLC exists to enhance an already great experience.  For instance LotSB has NO bearing whatsoever on taking down the Collectors.  It just makes the game better.

I can live with a day 1 DLC that takes a core character out of the game to charge me more money for it.  But if Bioware is ripping chunks out of the game's PLOT in order to address it in DLC its inexcusable.

I can assure you my head is on straight.

I don't 'make threats'.  If I say I won't buy ME 3 DLC because it would be pointless with an ending like that.  I mean it.

If I say I'll never preorder a game again, I'm not exagerating.

And when I say that 5 minutes of **** ruined a franchise for me, I'm not alone.

[Skeloton]

Faust1979 wrote...

Skeloton wrote...

Faust....if you read OPs posts you can see he sort of had it coming. Also you never commented on the VIC cut from the game then sold as dlc.

because I don't care about it and rarely ever get dlc so it doesn't affect me

well, understand some people do care about very important content such as any closure we would of got, if there is any.


perhaps you should do some recon before rushing...these reapers wont fall over like dominos at the sight of ya.

[Faust1979]

Skeloton wrote...

Faust1979 wrote...

Skeloton wrote...

Faust....if you read OPs posts you can see he sort of had it coming. Also you never commented on the VIC cut from the game then sold as dlc.

because I don't care about it and rarely ever get dlc so it doesn't affect me

well, understand some people do care about very important content such as any closure we would of got, if there is any.


perhaps you should do some recon before rushing...these reapers wont fall over like dominos at the sight of ya.

I can understand but what I don't understand is the need for some people to bash others for liking something they don't

[Skeloton]

Faust1979 wrote...

Skeloton wrote...

Faust1979 wrote...

Skeloton wrote...

Faust....if you read OPs posts you can see he sort of had it coming. Also you never commented on the VIC cut from the game then sold as dlc.

because I don't care about it and rarely ever get dlc so it doesn't affect me

well, understand some people do care about very important content such as any closure we would of got, if there is any.


perhaps you should do some recon before rushing...these reapers wont fall over like dominos at the sight of ya.

I can understand but what I don't understand is the need for some people to bash others for liking something they don't

Its the same reason why whites hate blacks and blacks hate whites, why Quarians hate Geth, Why javik hates synthetics. We fear that which is different and/or that which we dont understand.

[Father_Jerusalem]

Salis777 wrote...

zingro wrote...

meh your better off banging ya head against a wall with threads like this.

Yeah, 75% of them are just Gigamantis or Father_Jerusalem spamming.  Usually best to avoid them.

See, I wasn't even getting in on this, and you have to go out attack me for something.

But go on, keep talking about how your side is "persecuted".