348 réponses à ce sujet

[Salis777]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

See, I wasn't even getting in on this, and you have to go out attack me for something.

But go on, keep talking about how your side is "persecuted".

I'm not on a 'side.'  And saying you spam doesn't imply I'm persecuted or that I'm attacking you, it just means that if I look at your profile and click on any of the posts I'm guaranteed to find a thread with you spamming pages of it with huge quote pyramids, and really saying nothing.

Keep up the drama!

Modifié par Salis777, 25 mars 2012 - 11:31 .

[Father_Jerusalem]

Salis777 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

See, I wasn't even getting in on this, and you have to go out attack me for something.

But go on, keep talking about how your side is "persecuted".

I'm not on a 'side.'  And saying you spam doesn't imply I'm persecuted or that I'm attacking you, it just means that if I look at your profile and click on any of the posts I'm guaranteed to find a thread with you spamming pages of it with huge quote pyramids, and really saying nothing.

Keep up the drama!

You're absolutely on a side, you've made this abundantly clear. And bringing me in when I haven't even bothered responding, and in fact have barely even read, something implies that either 1. you're attacking me or 2. you're stalking me. And in either instance, it's not something I appreciate it, so stop it.

[Salis777]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Salis777 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

See, I wasn't even getting in on this, and you have to go out attack me for something.

But go on, keep talking about how your side is "persecuted".

I'm not on a 'side.'  And saying you spam doesn't imply I'm persecuted or that I'm attacking you, it just means that if I look at your profile and click on any of the posts I'm guaranteed to find a thread with you spamming pages of it with huge quote pyramids, and really saying nothing.

Keep up the drama!

You're absolutely on a side, you've made this abundantly clear. And bringing me in when I haven't even bothered responding, and in fact have barely even read, something implies that either 1. you're attacking me or 2. you're stalking me. And in either instance, it's not something I appreciate it, so stop it.

Its the sign of a weak mind to create us vs. them.  Say what you will, I will keep an open mind.

[Father_Jerusalem]

Salis777 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Salis777 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

See, I wasn't even getting in on this, and you have to go out attack me for something.

But go on, keep talking about how your side is "persecuted".

I'm not on a 'side.'  And saying you spam doesn't imply I'm persecuted or that I'm attacking you, it just means that if I look at your profile and click on any of the posts I'm guaranteed to find a thread with you spamming pages of it with huge quote pyramids, and really saying nothing.

Keep up the drama!

You're absolutely on a side, you've made this abundantly clear. And bringing me in when I haven't even bothered responding, and in fact have barely even read, something implies that either 1. you're attacking me or 2. you're stalking me. And in either instance, it's not something I appreciate it, so stop it.

Its the sign of a weak mind to create us vs. them.  Say what you will, I will keep an open mind.

Well we both know that you "keeping an open mind" is a flat out lie. But anyway. I'm in a good mood today and I'm not going to waste it on dealing with people like you.

[Kakita Tatsumaru]

Gigamantis wrote...
1.) Despite what you all want to claim you weren't "lied to."  They promised varied endings based on your choices and you got 3 of them.  If they weren't varied enough for you that's fine, you have every right to be disappointed.  Pretending you were lied to, however, is silly. 

2.) Some of you are proponents of the "happy ending" and it's the reason you're upset.  That's not your call to make and if any changes are made in that capacity to the ending it will be an outrage.  If you "fans" end up tainting the DLC like that I couldn't stomach buying it; I want the real ending.  

3.) There are many questions that still need answering and plot points that need settling.  That's pretty much what DLC is and with no loose ends there would be no conceivable reason to release more content.  You all knew there would be DLC.  


By everyone's admission the rest of the game was fantastic.  No matter what reasons you subscribe to you're overreacting and not being constructive.  Trying to sabotage the game on fan and review sites is silly.  Calling the game garbage and making empty threats on the forums is silly.  If you're disappointed voice it, but the community has been rather embarrassing on this issue.  Get your heads straight. 

1)  We were advertised "not A,B, or C ending", but that's exactly what we've got. Well, that would be the good news, actually we've got A-, A or A+ ending, not three different ending but three time the same ending with little variations.
2)  In role playing games, there is not supposed to have a cannon ending, just your ending. An happy ending would cause no problem to your ending until you choose it, but currently everyone have to buy the reaper's word.
3) Missions BEFORE the ending like in the other ME?
Thinking by yourself is silly?
Sharing your though with others is silly?
Perhaps you should relocate yourself in north Korea...

Modifié par Kakita Tatsumaru, 26 mars 2012 - 11:40 .

[Father_Jerusalem]

Kakita Tatsumaru wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...
1.) Despite what you all want to claim you weren't "lied to."  They promised varied endings based on your choices and you got 3 of them.  If they weren't varied enough for you that's fine, you have every right to be disappointed.  Pretending you were lied to, however, is silly. 

2.) Some of you are proponents of the "happy ending" and it's the reason you're upset.  That's not your call to make and if any changes are made in that capacity to the ending it will be an outrage.  If you "fans" end up tainting the DLC like that I couldn't stomach buying it; I want the real ending.  

3.) There are many questions that still need answering and plot points that need settling.  That's pretty much what DLC is and with no loose ends there would be no conceivable reason to release more content.  You all knew there would be DLC.  


By everyone's admission the rest of the game was fantastic.  No matter what reasons you subscribe to you're overreacting and not being constructive.  Trying to sabotage the game on fan and review sites is silly.  Calling the game garbage and making empty threats on the forums is silly.  If you're disappointed voice it, but the community has been rather embarrassing on this issue.  Get your heads straight. 

1)  We not advertised "not A,B, or C ending", but that's exactly what we've got. Well, that would be the good news, actually we've got A-, A or A+ ending, not three different ending but three time the same ending with little variations.
2)  In role playing games, there is not supposed to have a cannon ending, just your ending. An happy ending would cause no problem to your ending until you choose it, but currently everyone have to buy the reaper's word.
3) Missions BEFORE the ending like in the other ME?
Thinking by yourself is silly?
Sharing your though with others is silly?
Perhaps you should relocate yourself in north Korea...

Canon Revan is a light side male who fell in love with, and married Bastila, after regaining his memories and defeating Malak and destroying the Star Forge.

Is KOTOR not an RPG now?

[TheBandit554]

Alexraptor1 wrote...

Yes, if you ignore the gaping plotholes and how the ending completely tramples on and undoes the entire plot and story of the preceeding games, and violates all the principle tennants of narration, etc etc etc...

We were also promised the endings would not be A, B and C... which is EXACTLY what they were.

Well, 2 things:

1) We were not "promised" anything, in any interview or advertisements never were the words; "we promise you ___" uttered.

2) A,B,C is not the only endings. Yes, it seems that way because of the three choices. But there are actually about 8 depending on your choices in regards to the state of the Earth, the Citadel, and if we see Shepard breathe. 

Also: Why so butthurt over the three choices? That's the way the entire game has been! Look at the dialogue wheel! Look at ME2's ending, only 2 choices!! WTF guys, this isn't new

[Kakita Tatsumaru]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...
Canon Revan is a light side male who fell in love with, and married Bastila, after regaining his memories and defeating Malak and destroying the Star Forge.
Is KOTOR not an RPG now?

Are you describing Revan from KOTOR, of describing one of another game? ^^
Cause in KOTOR, Revan is what you do of him.

[Salis777]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Well we both know that you "keeping an open mind" is a flat out lie. But anyway. I'm in a good mood today and I'm not going to waste it on dealing with people like you.

Very mature, next time don't reply in the first place and you won't end up wasting your time

[Soul_Taco]

GODzilla_GSPB wrote...

The "happy ending" faction is the one I understand the least. I've seen movies / played games with bad endings where the player character was again much lesser odds then we are in ME3. I cannot believe that so many thought this would end well, in a magical and all-over victory and a big party at the end.

I expected many things, but not your typical Hollywood happy ending. Not by a long shot.

You're right. I think far too many people were expecting an ending like Return of the Jedi.

[Father_Jerusalem]

Kakita Tatsumaru wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...
Canon Revan is a light side male who fell in love with, and married Bastila, after regaining his memories and defeating Malak and destroying the Star Forge.
Is KOTOR not an RPG now?

Are you describing Revan from KOTOR, of describing one of another game? ^^
Cause in KOTOR, Revan is what you do of him.

Yes, in KOTOR, you can do whatever you want with Revan. But the CANON ending is that he's a male, lightsider, who destroyed the Star Forge and shacked up with Bastila.

That's what canon is. The "official" version of what happened, used when they want to build on it.

KOTOR had a canon ending. KOTOR 2 had a canon ending. ME1 had a canon ending. ME2 had a canon ending. Baldur's Gate had a canon ending, for crying out loud.

Every video game has a CANON ending - regardless of what you do in the game. Ripping ME3 for having a canon ending and calling it "not a real RPG" because of it, is just ludicrous.

[Kakita Tatsumaru]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...
Yes, in KOTOR, you can do whatever you want with Revan. But the CANON ending is that he's a male, lightsider, who destroyed the Star Forge and shacked up with Bastila.
That's what canon is. The "official" version of what happened, used when they want to build on it.
KOTOR had a canon ending. KOTOR 2 had a canon ending. ME1 had a canon ending. ME2 had a canon ending. Baldur's Gate had a canon ending, for crying out loud.
Every video game has a CANON ending - regardless of what you do in the game. Ripping ME3 for having a canon ending and calling it "not a real RPG" because of it, is just ludicrous.

You can do everything you want official, as long as it isn't fact I don't care.
I remember years ago when radioactive cloud (and rain) was officialy stopped at my border, that didn't changed the fact that it didn't.
They can choose any ending to ME3 to be canon as long as it doesn't affect the game itself. If it does, then it's just not an RPG anymore, that's just as simple as that.

[Nepp]

Heh, Canon. We've dismissed those claims.

Bioware has a habit of re-writing canon to suit themselves.

[LordDeimos4]

Casey Hudson - ".......At this point we're taking into account so many decisions that you've made as a player and reflecting a lot of that stuff. It's not even in any way like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C. The endings have a lot more sophistication and variety in them.

"Mike Gamble - "There are many different endings. We wouldn't do it any other way. How could you go through all three campaigns playing as your Shepard and then be forced into a bespoke ending that everyone gets"

Bioware - "As Mass Effect 3 is the end of the planned trilogy, the developers are not constrained by the necessity of allowing the story to diverge, yet also continue into the next chapter. This will result in a story that diverges into wildly different conclusions based on the player's actions in the first two chapters."

Nuff' said

Modifié par LordDeimos4, 26 mars 2012 - 12:09 .

[TheBandit554]

TomY90 wrote...

gigamantis we expect DLC to come out that was obvious considering how popular the ME2 DLC packs were with the fan base.

But we expect pretty much all the decisions you made since ME1 to be shown in ME3 free of charge (i.e. not paying extra for DLC to conclude everything).

unfortunately it looks like Bioware will be doing another Arrival by adding the actual ending later but fingers crossed its free considering how much a fight we put up. Unless that DLC pack is damn impressive.

Alright. Do YOU have 20 years and 5 million dollars to code all that into the game then mass produce it into more discs?

[nikki191]

TheBandit554 wrote...

TomY90 wrote...

gigamantis we expect DLC to come out that was obvious considering how popular the ME2 DLC packs were with the fan base.

But we expect pretty much all the decisions you made since ME1 to be shown in ME3 free of charge (i.e. not paying extra for DLC to conclude everything).

unfortunately it looks like Bioware will be doing another Arrival by adding the actual ending later but fingers crossed its free considering how much a fight we put up. Unless that DLC pack is damn impressive.

Alright. Do YOU have 20 years and 5 million dollars to code all that into the game then mass produce it into more discs?

they had the time and money to do it already. now they have a hell of alot of disgruntled customers calling them out on a product with a half assed ending. its not. they have alot of goodwill to make up and for some people the damage is done

Modifié par nikki191, 26 mars 2012 - 12:16 .

[TheBandit554]

LordDeimos4 wrote...

Casey Hudson - ".......At this point we're taking into account so many decisions that you've made as a player and reflecting a lot of that stuff. It's not even in any way like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C. The endings have a lot more sophistication and variety in them.

"Mike Gamble - "There are many different endings. We wouldn't do it any other way. How could you go through all three campaigns playing as your Shepard and then be forced into a bespoke ending that everyone gets"

Bioware - "As Mass Effect 3 is the end of the planned trilogy, the developers are not constrained by the necessity of allowing the story to diverge, yet also continue into the next chapter. This will result in a story that diverges into wildly different conclusions based on the player's actions in the first two chapters."

Nuff' said

If you paid attention to the endings instead of what Youtube showed, you may have noticed that the decisions you made made a HUGE difference, you just didn't notice it...

[Nepp]

TheBandit554 wrote...

If you paid attention to the endings instead of what Youtube showed, you may have noticed that the decisions you made made a HUGE difference, you just didn't notice it...

hahaha haahha ahahahahahaha!

Your decisions throughout ME1/2/3 have NO bearing to the ending at all. In fact, they toss all of them out and give ya a cheap ass deus ex machina plot device ending.

[TheBandit554]

nikki191 wrote...

TheBandit554 wrote...

TomY90 wrote...

gigamantis we expect DLC to come out that was obvious considering how popular the ME2 DLC packs were with the fan base.

But we expect pretty much all the decisions you made since ME1 to be shown in ME3 free of charge (i.e. not paying extra for DLC to conclude everything).

unfortunately it looks like Bioware will be doing another Arrival by adding the actual ending later but fingers crossed its free considering how much a fight we put up. Unless that DLC pack is damn impressive.

Alright. Do YOU have 20 years and 5 million dollars to code all that into the game then mass produce it into more discs?

they had the time and money to do it already. now they have a hell of alot of disgruntled customers calling them out on a product with a half assed ending. its not. they have alot of goodwill to make up and for some people the damage is done

HAHAHA. SERIOUSLY? Where have you been? They have had to push the deadline back TWICE, and not only that, but have had budget cuts due to the costs of ME3. We are lucky we got this amazing game. Don't be so butthurt over something that isn't new because you think you were "lied to". You were not

[TheBandit554]

Nepp wrote...

TheBandit554 wrote...

If you paid attention to the endings instead of what Youtube showed, you may have noticed that the decisions you made made a HUGE difference, you just didn't notice it...

hahaha haahha ahahahahahaha!

Your decisions throughout ME1/2/3 have NO bearing to the ending at all. In fact, they toss all of them out and give ya a cheap ass deus ex machina plot device ending.

I'll just leave this here  
http://www.raritygui...LERS/Page1.html 

[Nepp]

TheBandit554 wrote...

Nepp wrote...

TheBandit554 wrote...

If you paid attention to the endings instead of what Youtube showed, you may have noticed that the decisions you made made a HUGE difference, you just didn't notice it...

hahaha haahha ahahahahahaha!

Your decisions throughout ME1/2/3 have NO bearing to the ending at all. In fact, they toss all of them out and give ya a cheap ass deus ex machina plot device ending.

I'll just leave this here  
http://www.raritygui...LERS/Page1.html 

lol. That article is useless. Just minor changes to the ending cinematic. Has nothing to do with any of the major decisions you made throughout the series.

[TheBandit554]

Nepp wrote...

TheBandit554 wrote...

Nepp wrote...

TheBandit554 wrote...

If you paid attention to the endings instead of what Youtube showed, you may have noticed that the decisions you made made a HUGE difference, you just didn't notice it...

hahaha haahha ahahahahahaha!

Your decisions throughout ME1/2/3 have NO bearing to the ending at all. In fact, they toss all of them out and give ya a cheap ass deus ex machina plot device ending.

I'll just leave this here  
http://www.raritygui...LERS/Page1.html 

lol. That article is useless. Just minor changes to the ending cinematic. Has nothing to do with any of the major decisions you made throughout the series.

I BEG TO DIFFER. The collector base was a huge decision. As was the Geth/Quarian war. And all the Paragon/Renegade decisions. So no, I disagree. I like the ending and love the ME franchise, nothing can change that

[TheShogunOfHarlem]

Alexraptor1 wrote...

People, its pretty obvious were being trolled here.

I was just about to say that.

[JBONE27]

Gigamantis wrote...

A list ...

1.) Despite what you all want to claim you weren't "lied to."  They promised varied endings based on your choices and you got 3 of them.  If they weren't varied enough for you that's fine, you have every right to be disappointed.  Pretending you were lied to, however, is silly. 

2.) Some of you are proponents of the "happy ending" and it's the reason you're upset.  That's not your call to make and if any changes are made in that capacity to the ending it will be an outrage.  If you "fans" end up tainting the DLC like that I couldn't stomach buying it; I want the real ending.  

3.) There are many questions that still need answering and plot points that need settling.  That's pretty much what DLC is and with no loose ends there would be no conceivable reason to release more content.  You all knew there would be DLC.  


By everyone's admission the rest of the game was fantastic.  No matter what reasons you subscribe to you're overreacting and not being constructive.  Trying to sabotage the game on fan and review sites is silly.  Calling the game garbage and making empty threats on the forums is silly.  If you're disappointed voice it, but the community has been rather embarrassing on this issue.  Get your heads straight. 

I would like to prefice this by saying that I didn't hate the ending, but I didn't like it either.  Most videogames have terrible endings, and compared with those, this games ending was pretty good.  I do however want to argue against your points because I disagree with all three of them.

1. The ending choices have basically nothing to do with the decisions you've made in the first two games.  They promised that the choices we've made in those games would have a major inpact on the way the game ends, but it really doesn't.

2.  What's wrong with having the OPTION of a happy ending?  Nobody is saying that the ending must be sunshine and flowers, but if you play the game well or completionist enough, you should be able to achieve the white picket fense with a lot of little blue children.

3.  Dragon Age II had a prety definitive ending, and yet they included two incredibly good story based DLCs.  They can go over what else Shepard did while preparing.  I have a thread dedicated to that.  
http://social.biowar...5510/1#10475051.