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The first two items listed in the OP are more personal opinion.  And while I disagree completely with his/her point, I'm not going to attempt to "prove" them wrong, because a lot of it is based on interpretation of what BioWare claimed beforehand, as well as expectations going into the game for each individual gamer.

The third item, however, is what bothers me about this thread.  The ending is fine because it allows for DLC to tie up loose ends?  Because we were told beforehand that there would be DLC for ME3 down the road?  Seriously?

DLC is supposed to ENHANCE a game.  If it takes place after the events of the ending, it's supposed to ADD ON TO the existing story.  It's not supposed to FINISH the story.  Look at Arrival.  It added to the events of ME2, but ME2's story was finished in the main game.  Ditto for DA:O.  Witchhunt added more story to the main game, but the main game's story was already wrapped up for anyone who didn't want to play Witchhunt.

With all this talk lately about dangerous precedents being set, I can't think of one that's more dangerous (for consumers) than the OP defending the ending due to his third point.  It's in effect saying that from now on, gaming companies don't have to write endings into their $60 games.  They can add that ending later on for additional DLC money.

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Hmm I have to disagree, while I was not looking for a happy ending I would have liked one that was either philisophical or emotional. As soon as I finished the game I just thought it was a dissapointing anti-climax with not much to it, but the more I thought about it the more I realised how horrid all the concepts behind it were. People aren't looking for a happy ending, not everyone is even looking for a an actual heroic sacrifice. What is needed is an ending that is coherent with the universe, the story and the character you've spent hundreds of hours playing.

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Nepp wrote...

Haha that is funny.

Wasn't the point of ME3, which is the last one in a TRILOGY, to be the final conclusion? How can it be a trilogy if they left out core content of the ending conclusion.

Be like watching the movie Titanic, and just before the ship sinks a message pops up saying "To see more of this fatastic scene, please buy the forth coming DVD releases!"


Agreed.

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This guy states exactly what is wrong with it and why: www.youtube.com/watch
Addresses the DLC thing, too. All in 9 minutes.

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Bold = ME

da mighty rEAper wrote...

MASS EFFECT 3

}(+){

-dialogue choices are lot less but differ greatly compared to rest of the trilogy
[ Having just finished to replay ME1 .. There's not more dialogue option. 60% of the time a different choice make you say the exact same thing ]

-better controls(cover usage, running, tumbles)
[ I don't agree. I find the control much better in Mass Effect 1. It's just more streamlined in ME3]

-character relationship feels more alive( both between crew members and shep with his/her LI )
[ I do agree. After 3-4 missions in ME1 you can have the entire dialogue with your companions over. The same problem happened in DA:O with gift . ME2 had it's share of problem though. I enjoyed the fact that your companions actually visited you. No more in the middle of calibration or playing the ship or camp therapist(DA:O) ]

}(-){

-story is silly (that crucible **** is so dumb)
[ It's was not a bad idea . But they messed up somewhere in the dev process. Like something went terribly wrong at some point]

-tailored for multiplayer
[  What do you mean?]

-retarded and uninteresting sidequests(eavesdropping)
[ Not a bad idea at all. It's not less retarded than having NPC with exclamation point telling you they have a quest to give so you should talk to em.  Eavesdropping  make actually more sense and it's worked quite well for a first time]

-plot of other trilogy games was changed for some retarded( or just extremely bad executed) technological singularity idea
[ hmm?]

-despite refusing they still failed with day one dlc, as to there is no reason to not include such valuable content in the game
[ Yes .. That was just plain bad . But you don't have any idea how the game was developped from the ground. You have no idea of their developement agenda. But it's still not enough to convince me seeing how few companions we have in ME3]

-reapers are dumb (oh hi dere Sovereign)
[ ... ]

-Cerberus and TIM storywise potential is COMPLETELY WASTED
[ Like I already said. Something went terribly wrong. But it's not your story]

-retarded antagonist (that asian assassin is so retarded, i almost felt like i was watching some stupid anime)
[ That your opinions ]

thats not all
[Really]



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Obvious troll is obvious

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Manny_619 wrote...

Obvious troll is obvious


so everyone that likes the ending is a troll? why? 

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Faust1979 wrote...

Manny_619 wrote...

Obvious troll is obvious


so everyone that likes the ending is a troll? why? 

Only when the person with the opinion refuses to acknowledge any of the facts that may prove him wrong or cause a real counter to his argument by calling them "emotional" or "irrational". That is when a person, whether they like or dislike the ending, is a troll and that is what gigamantis is doing.

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aLucidMind wrote...

Faust1979 wrote...

Manny_619 wrote...

Obvious troll is obvious


so everyone that likes the ending is a troll? why? 

Only when the person with the opinion refuses to acknowledge any of the facts that may prove him wrong or cause a real counter to his argument by calling them "emotional" or "irrational". That is when a person, whether they like or dislike the ending, is a troll and that is what gigamantis is doing.


it's their opinion, it shouldn't rely on what others think about the game or the ending, Manny seems to be a troll, the person can't handle when someone thinks differently than them

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Gigamantis wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

A list ...

1.) Despite what you all want to claim you weren't "lied to."  They promised varied endings based on your choices and you got 3 of them.  If they weren't varied enough for you that's fine, you have every right to be disappointed.  Pretending you were lied to, however, is silly. 

2.) Some of you are proponents of the "happy ending" and it's the reason you're upset.  That's not your call to make and if any changes are made in that capacity to the ending it will be an outrage.  If you "fans" end up tainting the DLC like that I couldn't stomach buying it; I want the real ending.  

3.) There are many questions that still need answering and plot points that need settling.  That's pretty much what DLC is and with no loose ends there would be no conceivable reason to release more content.  You all knew there would be DLC.  


By everyone's admission the rest of the game was fantastic.  No matter what reasons you subscribe to you're overreacting and not being constructive.  Trying to sabotage the game on fan and review sites is silly.  Calling the game garbage and making empty threats on the forums is silly.  If you're disappointed voice it, but the community has been rather embarrassing on this issue.  Get your heads straight. 


Assets were replaced by generic fleets and armies that did not do anything except die miserably and forwent any technological application of the universe as we know it.

Continuity was thrown out the window.

Our choices all resulted in the same stream-lined result, no matter what we did to get there.

Our relations, interactions, and alliances really meant nothing.

Things such as the Rachni and other variable assets that were promised to have significant impact... had literally none.

So many things were lied to, and the list is huge.

Assets and decisions all effected how the game ends.  If they didn't effect it enough for you I understand why you're disappointed, but that doesn't mean you were lied to. 

The loose ends you mention will likely end up being DLC content.  I don't really understand how a lot of you expected everything to be 100% concluded yet still expected DLC.  You can't really have both in any logical way.  


Yeah, I've finished the game both at 50% and 100% Galactic Readiness, the ending still sucks, rendering your last statement completely moot. Sorry, you have your valid opinion and I have mine.

Still doesn't change the fact that the endings are very bad. Poorly done, with no use of logic or universe lore whatsoever.

It's like Frodo and Sam reaching Mt. Doom to destroy the One Ring, and suddenly dropping it against a rock and the damn thing gets smashed to pieces, when it was previously established that only The Fires of Mt. Doom could destroy it.

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Faust1979 wrote...

aLucidMind wrote...

Faust1979 wrote...

Manny_619 wrote...

Obvious troll is obvious


so everyone that likes the ending is a troll? why? 

Only when the person with the opinion refuses to acknowledge any of the facts that may prove him wrong or cause a real counter to his argument by calling them "emotional" or "irrational". That is when a person, whether they like or dislike the ending, is a troll and that is what gigamantis is doing.


it's their opinion, it shouldn't rely on what others think about the game or the ending, Manny seems to be a troll, the person can't handle when someone thinks differently than them


An opinion should rely on fact. If someone's opinion is that sand is made out of meatballs, you aren't a troll for pointing out that they are wrong and you aren't a troll for calling them an idiot when they refuse irrefutable evidence that sand is, indeed, not made out of meatballs. The person with that opinion is a troll if they keep saying that those with that evidence to the contrary is being "too emotional to see the facts for what they are" despite their opinion clearly being wrong.

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aLucidMind wrote...

Faust1979 wrote...

aLucidMind wrote...

Faust1979 wrote...

Manny_619 wrote...

Obvious troll is obvious


so everyone that likes the ending is a troll? why? 

Only when the person with the opinion refuses to acknowledge any of the facts that may prove him wrong or cause a real counter to his argument by calling them "emotional" or "irrational". That is when a person, whether they like or dislike the ending, is a troll and that is what gigamantis is doing.


it's their opinion, it shouldn't rely on what others think about the game or the ending, Manny seems to be a troll, the person can't handle when someone thinks differently than them


An opinion should rely on fact. If someone's opinion is that sand is made out of meatballs, you aren't a troll for pointing out that they are wrong and you aren't a troll for calling them an idiot when they refuse irrefutable evidence that sand is, indeed, not made out of meatballs. The person with that opinion is a troll if they keep saying that those with that evidence to the contrary is being too emotional to see that facts for what they are.


but saying you think the ending sucks or wrecks the game isn't a fact it's an opinion unless you can actually prove what makes your opinion any better than someone elses. The ending works well for some it doesn't work well for some others deal with it, learn to accept that not everyone hates the ending

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Faust1979 wrote...

aLucidMind wrote...

Faust1979 wrote...

aLucidMind wrote...

Faust1979 wrote...

Manny_619 wrote...

Obvious troll is obvious


so everyone that likes the ending is a troll? why? 

Only when the person with the opinion refuses to acknowledge any of the facts that may prove him wrong or cause a real counter to his argument by calling them "emotional" or "irrational". That is when a person, whether they like or dislike the ending, is a troll and that is what gigamantis is doing.


it's their opinion, it shouldn't rely on what others think about the game or the ending, Manny seems to be a troll, the person can't handle when someone thinks differently than them


An opinion should rely on fact. If someone's opinion is that sand is made out of meatballs, you aren't a troll for pointing out that they are wrong and you aren't a troll for calling them an idiot when they refuse irrefutable evidence that sand is, indeed, not made out of meatballs. The person with that opinion is a troll if they keep saying that those with that evidence to the contrary is being too emotional to see that facts for what they are.


but saying you think the ending sucks or wrecks the game isn't a fact it's an opinion unless you can actually prove what makes your opinion any better than someone elses. The ending works well for some it doesn't work well for some others deal with it, learn to accept that not everyone hates the ending

That is the problem with many people on both sides, though (and this is the truth with every issue); people refuse to accept it. Studies have shown that people who adamantly hold their opinion as fact do not use logical thought, but rather their emotional thought processes when confronted with proof that their views are wrong or that the person was exposed to be involved with something that would cause damage to those views. That is when the logical side pops in, but only in a "say whatever you can to justify it and make it seem like you're still right and like you're being victimized". The ones who hold facts as their opinion are the ones who are confronted with the facts that their views are wrong and will accept that. The problem is that the former is damn near everybody and is why humans as a whole suck at diplomacy and democracy.

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Gigamantis wrote...

A list ...

1.) Despite what you all want to claim you weren't "lied to."  They promised varied endings based on your choices and you got 3 of them.  If they weren't varied enough for you that's fine, you have every right to be disappointed.  Pretending you were lied to, however, is silly. 

2.) Some of you are proponents of the "happy ending" and it's the reason you're upset.  That's not your call to make and if any changes are made in that capacity to the ending it will be an outrage.  If you "fans" end up tainting the DLC like that I couldn't stomach buying it; I want the real ending.  

3.) There are many questions that still need answering and plot points that need settling.  That's pretty much what DLC is and with no loose ends there would be no conceivable reason to release more content.  You all knew there would be DLC.  


Since I know how you are going to be about links OP, I have searched for some to go with my answers.

1) We were not promised a variety of endings, where they are all similiar endings with differences, we were promised DIFFERENT endings. We were promised by Casey Hudson that it would not come down to whether or not you had endings A, B, or C. However, in the end, it became exactly that. A = control, B = Sythesis, C= Destroy. Sure, you 'could' say that each ending was 'slightly' different depending on whether or not you had a high enough galactic readiness number, but a couple seconds difference in cutscene is not enough to make it 'different.'

http://www.gameinfor...PostPageIndex=2 


2) How does this even make the ending 'fine'? Is it because you like it, and it is therefore fine? I am sorry, but this part makes little to no sense. Could you provide me with a source that explains why this makes it fine?


3) The whole purpose of DLC is not to 'fix' things or to explain plot points. If anything, that is the point of 'patches' and 'updates.' We all knew there would be DLC, yes, but does that mean we should have expected plot holes and problems in the game, and then be expected to have those problems patched over by DLC? No. Why? Because some people can't get DLC (such as people that don't have xbox live). Also, we were told that Mass Effect 3 would answer any unresolved questions and would provide closure....we were not told that Mass Effect 3 would provide more questions, and that DLC is going to provide the answer.

http://www.gameinfor...s-effect-3.aspx

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have to agree with the rest. the ending is far from "fine". doesnt matter what you choose, its still the same and thats not acceptable.
i want a finished game, and not DLCs to finish the game. to have a mysterious ending is fine, but it should make sense which is not the case at all. A,B and C choice doesnt make it a different ending when you have only few secs of different colors and people.

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Robhuzz wrote...

I'm tired of arguing with people who believe the ending was fine and are determined to defend BioWare.

Here's why the ending is not fine. Enjoy the read.

So it's wrong because BW didn't follow a trite formula to end the game. If they did that then people would castigate them for making a generic by the book ending and playing it safe.

I think the mistake is thinking all writing has to follow a specific pattern or it is no good. Different can be good, great, or exceptional. Maybe it failed for you on a personal level and that's fine to argue as such. Using it didn't follow this pattern so fail is not an adequate reason.

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Gigamantis wrote...

A list ...

1.) Despite what you all want to claim you weren't "lied to."  They promised varied endings based on your choices and you got 3 of them. 


No we didn't.  Notice the phrase "based on your choices."  Exactly what choice did you make at any point in the Mass Effect trilogy that had any effect on the ending?

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Ha exactly

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InvincibleHero wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

I'm tired of arguing with people who believe the ending was fine and are determined to defend BioWare.

Here's why the ending is not fine. Enjoy the read.

So it's wrong because BW didn't follow a trite formula to end the game. If they did that then people would castigate them for making a generic by the book ending and playing it safe.

I think the mistake is thinking all writing has to follow a specific pattern or it is no good. Different can be good, great, or exceptional. Maybe it failed for you on a personal level and that's fine to argue as such. Using it didn't follow this pattern so fail is not an adequate reason.


The whole point of that article is not about how Mass Effect 3 'didn't follow a trite formula to end the game.' It's about how the way that BW ending the game created plot holes and didn't provide the closure necessary for most people involved in the story to feel satisfied.

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Kataigida wrote...

InvincibleHero wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

I'm tired of arguing with people who believe the ending was fine and are determined to defend BioWare.

Here's why the ending is not fine. Enjoy the read.

So it's wrong because BW didn't follow a trite formula to end the game. If they did that then people would castigate them for making a generic by the book ending and playing it safe.

I think the mistake is thinking all writing has to follow a specific pattern or it is no good. Different can be good, great, or exceptional. Maybe it failed for you on a personal level and that's fine to argue as such. Using it didn't follow this pattern so fail is not an adequate reason.


The whole point of that article is not about how Mass Effect 3 'didn't follow a trite formula to end the game.' It's about how the way that BW ending the game created plot holes and didn't provide the closure necessary for most people involved in the story to feel satisfied.

It tried to make a factual argumen,t but failed to be persuasive because it was all based on subjective opinion. Each and every plot hole can be closed by BW if they choose to address them. Just because an end user assumes a plot hole exists that doesn't make it fact.

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Gigamantis wrote...

A list ...

1.) Despite what you all want to claim you weren't "lied to."  They promised varied endings based on your choices and you got 3 of them.  If they weren't varied enough for you that's fine, you have every right to be disappointed.  Pretending you were lied to, however, is silly. 

2.) Some of you are proponents of the "happy ending" and it's the reason you're upset.  That's not your call to make and if any changes are made in that capacity to the ending it will be an outrage.  If you "fans" end up tainting the DLC like that I couldn't stomach buying it; I want the real ending.  

3.) There are many questions that still need answering and plot points that need settling.  That's pretty much what DLC is and with no loose ends there would be no conceivable reason to release more content.  You all knew there would be DLC.  


By everyone's admission the rest of the game was fantastic.  No matter what reasons you subscribe to you're overreacting and not being constructive.  Trying to sabotage the game on fan and review sites is silly.  Calling the game garbage and making empty threats on the forums is silly.  If you're disappointed voice it, but the community has been rather embarrassing on this issue.  Get your heads straight. 



This is an opinion. And a valid one. I disagree. But still a valid opinion.

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Gigamantis wrote...

A list ...


Ok, I will humor you

Gigamantis wrote...

1.) Despite what you all want to claim you weren't "lied to."  They promised varied endings based on your choices and you got 3 of them.  If they weren't varied enough for you that's fine, you have every right to be disappointed.  Pretending you were lied to, however, is silly. 


Read what they promised us.  Varied endings that weren't like A B or C type choices, but that is exactly what we got.

Also, they said all our choices would help impact these endings.  While yes, they did, it was nothing more than our choices added additional war assetts and the only bearing they had was changing the color of the final explosion.

This isn't what had been indicated by Bioware staff prior to release.

Gigamantis wrote...
2.) Some of you are proponents of the "happy ending" and it's the reason you're upset.  That's not your call to make and if any changes are made in that capacity to the ending it will be an outrage.  If you "fans" end up tainting the DLC like that I couldn't stomach buying it; I want the real ending.  


Lets start with "Happy Ending" can you please give me a few links of people crying for a happy ending?  They are very few and far between.

What we want is clarification of what happened.  What have we spent over 100 hours of game time (assuming 1 character 1 playthrough of 3 games) doing and what has that achieved.

As it stands, nothing because no matter what we choose to do through the three games we end the third game with 3 choices and thats it.

Also, nobody is forcing you to buy or download any DLC.  However, you are probably in the minority and catering to people like you isn't going to net EA/Bioware any additional money.  With that said.  Why does this thread and your opinion even matter?  For "artistic integrity"?  If Bioware wanted to keep their artistic integrity, they would have never partnered with EA.  Catering to the retake fans will result in more money for Bioware/EA and make a large portion of the fanbase happy.

A great analogy to what you are trying to preach here are those who support prohibition.  A few people wanted prohibition to never end.  A lot of people wanted prohibition to end.  From a business perspective, the end of prohibition was a good idea, government got tax money, businesses could legally sell alcohol, etc.  Then, the people who wanted prohibition to end, guess what?  Nobody is forcing them to drink alcohol.

Gigamantis wrote...
3.) There are many questions that still need answering and plot points that need settling.  That's pretty much what DLC is and with no loose ends there would be no conceivable reason to release more content.  You all knew there would be DLC.  


When I played Mass Effect 2, it ended, and I thought great.  I cannot wait for Mass Effect 3.

About a month before Mass Effect 3 I reinstalled ME1 and ME2.  I also proceeded to purchase and download every piece of additional DLC for Mass Effect 2.

According to what you are saying, since Mass Effect 2 actually ended with a coherent ending that made sense and we knew what was going on.  There is no possible way that Bioware could have made Normandy Crash Site, Zaeed The Price of Revenge, Firewalker Pack, Kasum Stolen Memory, Overlord, Lair of the Shadow Broker, ot Arrival.  None of those changed or had any impact on the ending.   guess all of those DLCs were simply a figment of my imagination and didn't exist because Bioware possibly couldn't have made any DLCs for Mass Effect 2 since the story actuall ended (none of those DLCs change or modified the fact that at the end of the game, we go to the Colletor Base and take them out).

They could once again release DLC that includes more squadmates or adds vehicle stuff back into the game or adds extra weapons and extra missions.  They have plenty of opportunities in the form of DLC whos purpose would be to take back Omega or provide extra missions and storylines for characters from ME2.  All of those ideas have absolutely no bearing on whether or not the story came to a conclusion.

Gigamantis wrote...
By everyone's admission the rest of the game was fantastic.  No matter what reasons you subscribe to you're overreacting and not being constructive.  Trying to sabotage the game on fan and review sites is silly.  Calling the game garbage and making empty threats on the forums is silly.  If you're disappointed voice it, but the community has been rather embarrassing on this issue.  Get your heads straight. 


Please, remove everyone from this sentence.

There are plenty of people who see major flaws in this game other than the ending.

I wrote a lengthy review and in the end I gave the game a 4/10.  Hardly the epic masterpiece that IGNorant is touting Mass Effect 3 to be.

-There are barely any N7 and other side missions compared to the other games, even when you consider the missions,etc pre-DLC releases for those titles..
-The Normandy got bigger and now feels emptier with 6 less squad-mates.
-Majority of Side Quests are eavesdrop on someone on the citadel and go scan a system to recover what they want.
-The game only has a single "hub" in the entire game in comparison to ME1 and ME2 which both had more than 1.
-The voice acting in the game is atrocious thanks to whoever "cut" it together.  There is a half second pause in every single piece of voice dialog that results in the voice acting not being smooth.
-Too many enounters in the game feel forced, they tried to tie things together and bring back too many people from previous games, Just look at the Conrad Verner scene which brings back like 5-7 different conversations and missions from previous games into 20-30 seconds of dialog.
-The fact that, without fail, everytime you land on a planet (except Thessia comes to mind right away) you run into someone from a previous game who is like "oh hey" for the mission after which is then relagated to an entry on the war assets screen made their reappearance feel forced.
-Paragon/Renengade choices have barely any impact on the dialog and how options play out.  Sure, some of them result in token characters biting the dust but the majority of conversations in the game go pretty much the exact same way regardless of Paragon/Renegade options is what I'm referring to.
-The game has considerably more auto-dialog than previous games.
-Some choices should have had a massive impact on how things played out but never do.  Examples of this include things like Choosing Anderson to be on the council or choosing to kill the rachni queen should result in 0 Rachni enemies through the game.  Instead these things get retconned in a way that makes you /facepalm

This is stuff that is wrong with the game that has nothing to do with the ending and this is just off the top of my head.

This game was horribly rushed and a few idiotic review sites that only care about their ad revenue touted this game as pretty much the best game ever made despite the numerous flaws in the game.  I'm sorry, but if you loved ME3 and you agree with these gaming sites its obvious to me that you simply have bad taste in video games and anything shiny/flashy on the screen is going to hold your attention.   I bet you love the Transformers series too.

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Faust1979 wrote...

aLucidMind wrote...

Faust1979 wrote...

aLucidMind wrote...

Faust1979 wrote...

Manny_619 wrote...

Obvious troll is obvious


so everyone that likes the ending is a troll? why? 

Only when the person with the opinion refuses to acknowledge any of the facts that may prove him wrong or cause a real counter to his argument by calling them "emotional" or "irrational". That is when a person, whether they like or dislike the ending, is a troll and that is what gigamantis is doing.


it's their opinion, it shouldn't rely on what others think about the game or the ending, Manny seems to be a troll, the person can't handle when someone thinks differently than them


An opinion should rely on fact. If someone's opinion is that sand is made out of meatballs, you aren't a troll for pointing out that they are wrong and you aren't a troll for calling them an idiot when they refuse irrefutable evidence that sand is, indeed, not made out of meatballs. The person with that opinion is a troll if they keep saying that those with that evidence to the contrary is being too emotional to see that facts for what they are.


but saying you think the ending sucks or wrecks the game isn't a fact it's an opinion unless you can actually prove what makes your opinion any better than someone elses. The ending works well for some it doesn't work well for some others deal with it, learn to accept that not everyone hates the ending


this thread is 12 pages long now because Gigamantis is ... well ignorant. It's fact. Many don't like the ending, I'm 1 of them. But if there are people that are satisfied with the ending, then fair play to them, I'm happy they did. All 3 games were SUPPOSED to get you emotionally involved with the characters and the games ... stating we are being emotional to dismiss us is void ... we don't just have a right to be ... Bioware wanted us to be, and I love Bioware for it. The simple fact of so many outraging about the ending is a tribute to how many people love Bioware's work.

So many gave stone facts on WHY the ending is bad ... but Gigamantis just dismisses it by just stating we are wrong ... and s/he keeps going. In my opinion, I think s/he's ignorant simply because s/he is stating we are wrong with facts and s/he is right with "technicallity". Technicallity doesn't change anything. If it justifies you, then I'm happy for you ... but it's not enough justification for the rest of us to just say "ok, your right ... it's a FANTASTIC ending because WE were wrong ...... somehow" lol

If you like the ending, fine. But I agree that Gigamantis is being a troll for dismissing facts and telling us we are wrong on .... well disproved facts.

that's me anyways ...

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Kataigida

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InvincibleHero wrote...

Kataigida wrote...

InvincibleHero wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

I'm tired of arguing with people who believe the ending was fine and are determined to defend BioWare.

Here's why the ending is not fine. Enjoy the read.

So it's wrong because BW didn't follow a trite formula to end the game. If they did that then people would castigate them for making a generic by the book ending and playing it safe.

I think the mistake is thinking all writing has to follow a specific pattern or it is no good. Different can be good, great, or exceptional. Maybe it failed for you on a personal level and that's fine to argue as such. Using it didn't follow this pattern so fail is not an adequate reason.


The whole point of that article is not about how Mass Effect 3 'didn't follow a trite formula to end the game.' It's about how the way that BW ending the game created plot holes and didn't provide the closure necessary for most people involved in the story to feel satisfied.

It tried to make a factual argumen,t but failed to be persuasive because it was all based on subjective opinion. Each and every plot hole can be closed by BW if they choose to address them. Just because an end user assumes a plot hole exists that doesn't make it fact.


I'm pretty sure that when a part of the story (like many parts of the ending) goes against the plot of (at least the prior two) game(s) it is called a plot hole. Just because you can't see it, doesn't mean that it doesn't exsist.

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And if that's the case, why doesn't BW choose to address them? And even then, a plot hole in a story should not be 'closed' by an out of game address.

Modifié par Kataigida, 26 mars 2012 - 03:53 .


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Hi, this is already posted in the other threads of this forum. I would like to share this again for those who have not read this article. Although it is long, it has elaborately and articulately explain why (including myself) find the ending empty (frustration).

I love mass effect, i think I am one of the fans who have connected with the characters. Who has invested our emotions with the game. The reason why many find this game amazing. Hope bioware team had read this.

www.themetagames.com/2012/03/why-you-enjoy-art-and-one-problem-with.html