Father_Jerusalem wrote...
And there we go with the personal attacks. That's all I needed, thanks!
fwc577 wrote...
Father_Jerusalem wrote...
And there we go with the personal attacks. That's all I needed, thanks!
You should re-read your own posts and realize you are falsly claiming I lack rational and am crazy when you don't understand a simply concept.
The personal attacks started there jack.
Father_Jerusalem wrote...
fwc577 wrote...
Father_Jerusalem wrote...
And there we go with the personal attacks. That's all I needed, thanks!
You should re-read your own posts and realize you are falsly claiming I lack rational and am crazy when you don't understand a simply concept.
The personal attacks started there jack.
No, I simply said that you were heading this conversation to Crazy-fking-town and that everyone who has rationality should hop off. I never once said anything about you personally lacking rationality, in that you should stay on the bus, or called you crazy.
It was, in fact, an attempt to let you walk back your statements and say "Maybe I made a bad analogy there", which you then doubled down on in your first post throwing out an attack on me there.
But thanks for playing.
I mean, seriously? It's not something that would cross MY mind, but then, I know I'm not a racist douche.
Father_Jerusalem wrote...
fwc577 wrote...
Father_Jerusalem wrote...
And there we go with the personal attacks. That's all I needed, thanks!
You should re-read your own posts and realize you are falsly claiming I lack rational and am crazy when you don't understand a simply concept.
The personal attacks started there jack.
No, I simply said that you were heading this conversation to Crazy-fking-town and that everyone who has rationality should hop off. I never once said anything about you personally lacking rationality, in that you should stay on the bus, or called you crazy.
It was, in fact, an attempt to let you walk back your statements and say "Maybe I made a bad analogy there", which you then doubled down on in your first post throwing out an attack on me there.
But thanks for playing.
InvincibleHero wrote...
I agree somewhat.Kataigida wrote...
If you read between the PR-lines, they have been very careful not to promise anything. He only said that they have some things in the works that will help clear things up. And the plot holes are a good portion of the retake movement, right up their with the lack of closure.
And any form of media should be a complete work. If you have to go to the creator in order to have important questions answered about the piece, then either the piece is not complete, or it is broken.
So user interpretation has no part in a product? They left it ambiguous to let us decide what happened without connecting all the dots. They left you room to role-play and people don't like it. I don't consider that broken.
It is like literature instructors and I had many in high school and college and yet each teacher taught that the same works such as Beowulf, The Raven, or another work had these themes and the author meant this yet they were not the same. Now if we could dial up Poe or the actual authors they might say I meant nothing deep by that you just read into it and made a wrong assumption or some other theme. There will always be a different interpretation to works of art by each end user.
Father_Jerusalem wrote...
And there we go with the personal attacks. That's all I needed, thanks!
Il Divo wrote...
Might I recommend the two of you drop it? This has been going on for a while now, and it's going nowhere fast.
Rockworm503 wrote...
Father_Jerusalem wrote...
And there we go with the personal attacks. That's all I needed, thanks!
Is that what you were aiming for?
Me thinking your a troll is returning!
Salis777 wrote...
Rockworm503 wrote...
Father_Jerusalem wrote...
And there we go with the personal attacks. That's all I needed, thanks!
Is that what you were aiming for?
Me thinking your a troll is returning!
He's printing it off and faxing to his lawyer as we speak.
/sarc
Kataigida wrote...
There's a difference between leaving it ambiguous and letting us think up some things, and leaving us with a lot of things that don't entirely make sense, or things that we can't argue.
However, there is 'too much' room for speculation in Mass Effect 3, one of which is the mass relays being destroyed. They in no way say or show what kind of effect this can have on the galaxy, even though no matter what you do, they are indeed destroyed.
There is also the thing about Joker 'running away.' This comes out of no where and ends about as fast. The difference between this event and works such as 'the Raven' and 'Beowulf' is that these works at least build up to their ending, and you at least have room to understand what the author was thinking and what the ending means. With Joker's ending, nothing has built up to this moment (if anything, there have been points that go against this kind of scene) and the only thing that you can be sure about is if you chose the Green ending and you see that everything has green lines now, and EDI is alive.
Unfortunately, there is 'so much room' for speculation, that all you end up getting if you really try to think about the ending, is confusion, and maybe even frusturation.
Modifié par Il Divo, 26 mars 2012 - 04:52 .
fwc577 wrote...
Salis777 wrote...
Rockworm503 wrote...
Father_Jerusalem wrote...
And there we go with the personal attacks. That's all I needed, thanks!
Is that what you were aiming for?
Me thinking your a troll is returning!
He's printing it off and faxing to his lawyer as we speak.
/sarc
uhoh, should I brace for a cease and desist letter?
/sarc
fwc577 wrote...
Father_Jerusalem wrote...
fwc577 wrote...
Father_Jerusalem wrote...
And there we go with the personal attacks. That's all I needed, thanks!
You should re-read your own posts and realize you are falsly claiming I lack rational and am crazy when you don't understand a simply concept.
The personal attacks started there jack.
No, I simply said that you were heading this conversation to Crazy-fking-town and that everyone who has rationality should hop off. I never once said anything about you personally lacking rationality, in that you should stay on the bus, or called you crazy.
It was, in fact, an attempt to let you walk back your statements and say "Maybe I made a bad analogy there", which you then doubled down on in your first post throwing out an attack on me there.
But thanks for playing.
Two other posters agree with me, you started the attacks.
Now, go change out of your big boy pants and go to bed so mommy doesn't need to do the laundry in the morning.
Also, the sheer fact that you felt a follow up post was required pointingn out personal attacks being all you needed shows us one thing.
YOU ARE A TROLL
If you want to act like a troll then by god I will treat you like a troll.
Salis777 wrote...
Father_Jerusalem wrote...
fwc577 wrote...
Father_Jerusalem wrote...
And there we go with the personal attacks. That's all I needed, thanks!
You should re-read your own posts and realize you are falsly claiming I lack rational and am crazy when you don't understand a simply concept.
The personal attacks started there jack.
No, I simply said that you were heading this conversation to Crazy-fking-town and that everyone who has rationality should hop off. I never once said anything about you personally lacking rationality, in that you should stay on the bus, or called you crazy.
It was, in fact, an attempt to let you walk back your statements and say "Maybe I made a bad analogy there", which you then doubled down on in your first post throwing out an attack on me there.
But thanks for playing.
One page back, on your post,I mean, seriously? It's not something that would cross MY mind, but then, I know I'm not a racist douche.
And whats all this thanks for playing nonsense, we aren't on a golf course.
Father_Jerusalem wrote...
fwc577 wrote...
Father_Jerusalem wrote...
fwc577 wrote...
Father_Jerusalem wrote...
And there we go with the personal attacks. That's all I needed, thanks!
You should re-read your own posts and realize you are falsly claiming I lack rational and am crazy when you don't understand a simply concept.
The personal attacks started there jack.
No, I simply said that you were heading this conversation to Crazy-fking-town and that everyone who has rationality should hop off. I never once said anything about you personally lacking rationality, in that you should stay on the bus, or called you crazy.
It was, in fact, an attempt to let you walk back your statements and say "Maybe I made a bad analogy there", which you then doubled down on in your first post throwing out an attack on me there.
But thanks for playing.
Two other posters agree with me, you started the attacks.
Now, go change out of your big boy pants and go to bed so mommy doesn't need to do the laundry in the morning.
Also, the sheer fact that you felt a follow up post was required pointingn out personal attacks being all you needed shows us one thing.
YOU ARE A TROLL
If you want to act like a troll then by god I will treat you like a troll.
Two other people who are complete and utter trolls (and one's a borderline stalker, it's really uncomfortable) agree with you. Call me when you have backup that actually matters.
Sorry, you can't scream obscenities at someone then have your best friend say "But he started it!" and make it true.
.
Modifié par Rockworm503, 26 mars 2012 - 04:57 .
Rockworm503 wrote...
You know your getting somewhere when they start acting like the victim and saying "thats not an insult I was saying I'm not that"
I mean gosh how can anyone saying only racists would come up with an analogy possibly consider that was an insult to the person who came up with the analogy?
The best trolls are the ones that end up trolling themselves its really amusing.
Rockworm503 wrote...
You know your getting somewhere when they start acting like the victim and saying "thats not an insult I was saying I'm not that"
I mean gosh how can anyone saying only racists would come up with an analogy possibly consider that was an insult to the person who came up with the analogy?
The best trolls are the ones that end up trolling themselves its really amusing.
fwc577 wrote...
Rockworm503 wrote...
You know your getting somewhere when they start acting like the victim and saying "thats not an insult I was saying I'm not that"
I mean gosh how can anyone saying only racists would come up with an analogy possibly consider that was an insult to the person who came up with the analogy?
The best trolls are the ones that end up trolling themselves its really amusing.
Like I said earlier, I now feel kinda bad for engaging in a battle of wits against an unarmed opponent.
From here on I won't be responding directly to a single post he makes. I feel it would be beneath me.
Back to the thread at hand.
Does anyone else feel the OP might have a close relationship or possible be Todd Kenreck over at MSNBC lol?
kalle90 wrote...
Cyberstrike nTo wrote...
I would love a fourth ending where Shepard stops the Reapers without destroying the galaxy but winds up in a coma and in the dream world is given a final choice by the Child:
1) Shepard lives and goes back to the real world and helps rebuild galactic civilization and new era of lasting peace begins.
2) Shepard stays in the coma. Galactic civilization is rebuilt but no lasting peace, the LI leaves after 5 years of waiting for Shepard to wake up because s/he has found someone else and moves on. Shepard has a tear running down her/his cheek after the farewell.
3) Shepard dies and goes to Heaven but a new galactic dark age begins.
If we'd go down that road I'd love if some of the dead appeared. I was expecting to see Mordin, Zaeed and Miranda (atleast, there are plenty more who died) in those dreams either actively talking to them or just passively seeing images.
That would add a choice "Do I want to stay with these people or go there with those people"
If we're all hypothetical and dark energy theory was true I could even see an option that Shep is convinced harvesting is the only way but there is a way to move people's consciousness into the reapers or some other virtual world. "We are each a nation"
Gigamantis wrote...
1.) If there was some big post interview that got a lot of information about the game wrong I'd imagine the interviewee was misinformed moreso than trying to fool anyone.bigbade wrote...
Gigamantis wrote...
1.) In this case the interviewer wasn't lied to because you can't establish intent, and I'm not sure what was said about the rachni consequences.bigbade wrote...
Gigamantis wrote...
1.) If it was true when they were asked it wasn't a lie. If they were asked after the change and lied then it was a lie, but you have nothing indicating that happened. You assuming they omitted information when asked is based on nothing.bigbade wrote...
Gigamantis wrote...
1.) Alright, if someone asks me if I have a dog right now my answer will be yes. If I get rid of my dog in 2 months and that same person visits me in 3 months I won't have a dog. Did I lie to them?
2.) Of course it's possible. There are 10's of uncreative and unsatisfying ways I could come up with off the top of my head to handle the problems people have, but I'm not going to list them here. The point is that in a work of science fiction everything is explainable and if you have good writers it can be done well.
3.) ME3 was never meant to be a standalone game like ME1 could've been, and ME2 left me with more questions than ME3 did. The collectors were a supplemental issue to the main problems; literally none of the overlying problems in the world were addressed satisfactorily because there was more content planned. There's more content planned for ME3 as well.
1) You're warping the question, that has nothing to do with a validating someting to someone and then instead of clarifying the changes which you knew were happening, kept quiet and led them to believe your initial statement.
if someone asked you if they could see your dog in 3 months and you say yes, then get rid of your dog but never tell them that when they ask supplementary questions you are withholding the truth aka, a lie of omission.
2) In science fiction sure, but an answer that follows with mass effect's established lore and continuity? Still waiting for that PM/other thread.
3) ME2 leaves you with the questions about the reaper plot, but the reaper invasion took a back seat to the threat at hand as the game was about the collectors abducting humans. What questions did me2 leave you with?
2.) Most of the problems people have are with conception of character behavior and motive, not physical or material impossibilities. These kinds of things are easily addressed in writing, even with something as unsatisfying as a change in character or collective opinion.
3.) At the end of just ME2 I had questions about harbringer, the shadow broker, the genophage and mainly the reapers. The looming reaper threat was a GAPING plothole if we weren't assuming more content.
1) The whole BSN is asking questions about the endings...Still doesn't take away from the fact that, in this case, Gamble lied to the interviewer's face, and in more recent cases Mac Walters lied on February 28th (week before release) about the rachni consequences and the endings.
2) Not at all, complaint about space magic is far from problems with character behavior. Space magic doesn't belong in the mass effect universe because it was never established as a part of the series, star wars can handwave almost anything away as the force, mass effect doesn't have that luxury and can't permit themselves to even try if they want to respect their own lore.
3) Questions about harbinger were not answered in ME3, the shadow broker was addressed in ME2 dlc but before the dlc played an even smaller part than in ME1, the genophage storyline is expanded upon in me3 but its consequences are, also, not addressed and as said before the looming reaper threat wasn't a plothole because ME2 was simply the chapter leading up to it. I don't see what more you could have wanted to learn about the reaper invasion in ME2 if the game were to, once again, stick to its lore and stand by the fact that we know NOTHING about the reapers.
I agree that more content is planned for ME3, that's obvious. It doesn't even have to be about Shepard (see Take Back Omega feat. Aria rumor) but advertising a conclusion to a series and not concluding 'EVERYTHING' like you put it is not satisfying for anyone.
2.) That's just silly, even if you think it needs more establishment nothing in the lore prohibits that kind of thing.
3.) If we're assuming standalone games ME2 leaves more questions due to the reaper threat alone, though there was obviously other questions to be answered. ME3 concluded the story without explaining everything, which creates a lot of room for extra content. I personally like that because a lot more detail will likely go into these explanations than just trying to explain away everything quickly right at ME3's conclusion.
1) It's a thread in story section with the article, Mac Walters says a couple things about the ending, a couple days before release, that just aren't true. But whatever, moving on.
2) Sure it does, mass effect has always been grounded in a somewhat logical fiction, they try to explain everything as fake-scientifically as possible and make it so we can relate. 99,9% of the lore is plausible because we can relate and that's what made ME great. The ending is not mass effect, yes they can add that into the lore but it is commonly accepted that adding a critical theme to the plot at the very end is poor writing. Thus the ending is not "fine".
3) I sort of agree with you here, it is nice to think that ME3 was left wide open for more content that clears things up but now you're going off the assumption that they will do that, we don't know what they have planned.
2.) Game writing is different from book writing, especially given the propensity for fractured and supplemental content in the future. They may have wanted a concept they could build a lot of content around, and how well it ends up piecing together is an issue for future content releases.
3.) I can't see what else they could possibly do with DLC and I'm pretty sure they were at least planning for a lot of it. I guess we'll see.
Cyberstrike nTo wrote...
Actually in the dreams/nightmares you do (or at least I do) hear the voices of Mordin, Legion, and Ash/Kaiden (the one who died in ME1) and they do kind of appear as shadows.
I'm pretty sure that dark energy is involved in the Crucible or at least Shepard implies that it is to Conrad Verner (if he's around) because his war asset.
Gigamantis wrote...
A list ...
1.) Despite what you all want to claim you weren't "lied to." They promised varied endings based on your choices and you got 3 of them. If they weren't varied enough for you that's fine, you have every right to be disappointed. Pretending you were lied to, however, is silly.
2.) Some of you are proponents of the "happy ending" and it's the reason you're upset. That's not your call to make and if any changes are made in that capacity to the ending it will be an outrage. If you "fans" end up tainting the DLC like that I couldn't stomach buying it; I want the real ending.
3.) There are many questions that still need answering and plot points that need settling. That's pretty much what DLC is and with no loose ends there would be no conceivable reason to release more content. You all knew there would be DLC.
By everyone's admission the rest of the game was fantastic. No matter what reasons you subscribe to you're overreacting and not being constructive. Trying to sabotage the game on fan and review sites is silly. Calling the game garbage and making empty threats on the forums is silly. If you're disappointed voice it, but the community has been rather embarrassing on this issue. Get your heads straight.
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