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[Gigamantis]

o Ventus wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

3.) Technically the game is a trilogy, so to get the "full package," which includes all plot development and conclusion up to this point, you paid way more than $80.  

And this is the point where your credibility (What's left of it) evaporates away. The fallacies in this post are too obvious to ignore. There is no way you wrote this while sober. Not to mention you dodged the point of my original post.

Don't bother responding to me, I likely won't be returning here.

You're just being a troll now.  If you don't like paying for continuation or furthor explanation of a story and need it all in one purchase a trilogy was a contradictory choice for you.  It's like many of you have never experienced DLC before today.  

[Urazz]

I was mostly fine with the ending but a lacking of an epilogue to see how our final choice affects the galaxy and the part with the Normandy and the squad was stupid.

[Gigamantis]

Naqey wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

1.) If it was true when they were asked it wasn't a lie.  If they were asked after the change and lied then it was a lie, but you have nothing indicating that happened.  You assuming they omitted information when asked is based on nothing. 

2.) Most of the problems people have are with conception of character behavior and motive, not physical or material impossibilities.  These kinds of things are easily addressed in writing, even with something as unsatisfying as a change in character or collective opinion.

3.) At the end of just ME2 I had questions about harbringer,  the shadow broker, the genophage and mainly the reapers.  The looming reaper threat was a GAPING plothole if we weren't assuming more content. 

3. really? the whole trilogy thing went right over your head, didnt it? 

btw the content that will be released for me 3 is subplot content that was cut from the script (like take back omega)

The concept of a trilogy didn't go over my head at all; I obviously had questions after ME2 but expected new content to supplement it.  Since I knew ME3 would have DLC I expected some supplementing there to.  Things just tend to work like that.

I imagine a successful game like this planned to release a lot of DLC.  

Modifié par Gigamantis, 25 mars 2012 - 08:32 .

[Wynteryth]

Gigamantis wrote...

Wynteryth wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Wynteryth wrote...

Gigamantis - Have you read either of the two links that have been posted in response to your OP? If not, please do so.

Here they are, again, for you.

www.gamefront.com/mass-effect-3-ending-hatred-5-reasons-the-fans-are-right/3/

jmstevenson.wordpress.com/2012/03/22/all-that-matters-is-the-ending-part-2-mass-effect-3/


If, after reading those two very well thought out links, you can't understand why the ending is not "fine", then there is no hope for you.

I've seen those and they're the same complaints I've been addressing here; just in esoteric fashion to avoid spoilers.  My points were outlined in the OP.  1) You weren't lied too.  2) You weren't entitled to a "happy ending."  3) Anything that would benefit from furthor explanation can and likely will be addressed in DLC; that's all DLC could be in a game that's ended.  

*ROFLMAO* I'm sorry, but you clearly are delusional. Your OP and your title say that the ending was FINE.  Those two links CONTRADICT your claim that the ending was fine. 

Those articles don't prove the ending isn't fine.  They complain about the same things I've addressed a lot in this thread.

Yes, those articles DO prove that the ending isn't fine. Had you actually read them, you'd know that. 

Here is what I have learned about you, Gigamantis: 
1) You don't understand what an RPG is supposed to be. 
2) You've clearly weren't paying attention in 9th grade English class when they talked about how a story is supposed to be written. 
3) Nothing anyone says here is going to change your delusional mind. 

[o Ventus]

Gigamantis wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

3.) Technically the game is a trilogy, so to get the "full package," which includes all plot development and conclusion up to this point, you paid way more than $80.  

And this is the point where your credibility (What's left of it) evaporates away. The fallacies in this post are too obvious to ignore. There is no way you wrote this while sober. Not to mention you dodged the point of my original post.

Don't bother responding to me, I likely won't be returning here.

You're just being a troll now.  If you don't like paying for continuation or furthor explanation of a story and need it all in one purchase a trilogy was a contradictory choice for you.  It's like many of you have never experienced DLC before today.  

"Troll" is another one of those words being tossed around willy-nilly, it seems.

Even though I said I wouldn't, I'll reply to you.

When I buy the conclusion to a trilogy (As well as the previous 2 entries), I expect closure to be a part of the package. I received closure with the ME1+2 endings (Reapers nonwithstanding, because I knew they would be saved for the finale). I received little-to-none with ME3's.

[MassEffect762]

imo it fails to 'satisfy' on multiple levels that it can't be 'fine'.

[Salis777]

To OP,

Don't start writing any time soon if you think it was good. I doubt there's a literary critic on the planet that would say the ending was well written. It breaks many tenets of basic literature, and is shoddy and lazy on many levels. But, feel free to enjoy it, no one can take that away from you.

[Arik7]

Let's just agree that Gigamantis is indoctrinated and let his/her thread die.

[Gigamantis]

o Ventus wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

3.) Technically the game is a trilogy, so to get the "full package," which includes all plot development and conclusion up to this point, you paid way more than $80.  

And this is the point where your credibility (What's left of it) evaporates away. The fallacies in this post are too obvious to ignore. There is no way you wrote this while sober. Not to mention you dodged the point of my original post.

Don't bother responding to me, I likely won't be returning here.

You're just being a troll now.  If you don't like paying for continuation or furthor explanation of a story and need it all in one purchase a trilogy was a contradictory choice for you.  It's like many of you have never experienced DLC before today.  

"Troll" is another one of those words being tossed around willy-nilly, it seems.

Even though I said I wouldn't, I'll reply to you.

When I buy the conclusion to a trilogy (As well as the previous 2 entries), I expect closure to be a part of the package. I received closure with the ME1+2 endings (Reapers nonwithstanding, because I knew they would be saved for the finale). I received little-to-none with ME3's.

Plenty of things were resolved in ME3 and plenty will undoubtedly benefit from furthor development.  I was expecting more content with ME3 so the questions I had left didn't bother me.  

[Wynteryth]

BTW, Gig, even Drew Karpyshyn didn't want the ending that Fans were given. And he was the primary writer behind Mass Effect and has since left Bioware. And it was clear to most people that he left because of the changes that were made to the ending, though Bioware claims otherwise.

[Gigamantis]

Wynteryth wrote...

BTW, Gig, even Drew Karpyshyn didn't want the ending that Fans were given. And he was the primary writer behind Mass Effect and has since left Bioware. And it was clear to most people that he left because of the changes that were made to the ending, though Bioware claims otherwise.

Cool story.  Source?  

[Skeloton]

Go on gigamantis, what exactly was resolved in the ending of me3? Because that was a VERY vague statement.

[Gigamantis]

Skeloton wrote...

Go on gigamantis, what exactly was resolved in the ending of me3? Because that was a VERY vague statement.

Ugh, that would count as posting spoilers in the non-spoilers section.  Plenty of things were resolved in ME3 even leading up to the ending. 

[Wynteryth]

Gigamantis wrote...

Wynteryth wrote...

BTW, Gig, even Drew Karpyshyn didn't want the ending that Fans were given. And he was the primary writer behind Mass Effect and has since left Bioware. And it was clear to most people that he left because of the changes that were made to the ending, though Bioware claims otherwise.

Cool story.  Source?  

The interview he did about the ending being changed from the Dark Energy ending.  You'd know that if you actually read things. 

[Skeloton]

Gigamantis wrote...

Skeloton wrote...

Go on gigamantis, what exactly was resolved in the ending of me3? Because that was a VERY vague statement.

Ugh, that would count as posting spoilers in the non-spoilers section.  Plenty of things were resolved in ME3 even leading up to the ending. 

so basically you have no proof to tell me that me3 did infact have some resolution.

a couple of pages back i intentionally posted spoilers, dont believe me go back and take alook.

you are either a troll or a blind, deaf and dumb fanactic fan of bioware.

[Gigamantis]

Wynteryth wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Wynteryth wrote...

BTW, Gig, even Drew Karpyshyn didn't want the ending that Fans were given. And he was the primary writer behind Mass Effect and has since left Bioware. And it was clear to most people that he left because of the changes that were made to the ending, though Bioware claims otherwise.

Cool story.  Source?  

The interview he did about the ending being changed from the Dark Energy ending.  You'd know that if you actually read things. 

I know, I'm asking for a source that he left because of the ending.  The game had many writers and I'm sure many of them had things they wanted to do different.  In the end all the writers work together and obviously not everyone can have their way. 

[Gigamantis]

Skeloton wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Skeloton wrote...

Go on gigamantis, what exactly was resolved in the ending of me3? Because that was a VERY vague statement.

Ugh, that would count as posting spoilers in the non-spoilers section.  Plenty of things were resolved in ME3 even leading up to the ending. 

so basically you have no proof to tell me that me3 did infact have some resolution.

a couple of pages back i intentionally posted spoilers, dont believe me go back and take alook.

you are either a troll or a blind, deaf and dumb fanactic fan of bioware.

If you broke the rules earlier congratulations, but that's your problem.  There are plenty of story points that see resolution in ME3. 

[o Ventus]

Gigamantis wrote...

Skeloton wrote...

Go on gigamantis, what exactly was resolved in the ending of me3? Because that was a VERY vague statement.

Ugh, that would count as posting spoilers in the non-spoilers section.  Plenty of things were resolved in ME3 even leading up to the ending. 

Or you could, y'know, PM or something.

Let's be honest for a second here. ME3 has been out for a long enough while that everyone who posts here has also beaten the game.

Factor in that typically only the most devoted "fans" of a franchise visit their forums, and having to not post spoilers is pointless.

That would be like reading the sports section in the local paper, even though you hate sports.

[o Ventus]

Gigamantis wrote...

Wynteryth wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Wynteryth wrote...

BTW, Gig, even Drew Karpyshyn didn't want the ending that Fans were given. And he was the primary writer behind Mass Effect and has since left Bioware. And it was clear to most people that he left because of the changes that were made to the ending, though Bioware claims otherwise.

Cool story.  Source?  

The interview he did about the ending being changed from the Dark Energy ending.  You'd know that if you actually read things. 

I know, I'm asking for a source that he left because of the ending.  The game had many writers and I'm sure many of them had things they wanted to do different.  In the end all the writers work together and obviously not everyone can have their way. 

He didn't leave because of the ending, nor did anyone say he did. He left before ME3 began development, I believe.

[Rockworm503]

We weren't lied to?  Has the definition of lie been changed without me knowing?  Because where I'm sitting it looks like a freaking lie and its a lie that people like the OP is quick to push out of the way.... Why?  Because we're overreacting and "sabatoging" the game?  I didn't know excpecting better from one of my favorite companies was sabotage.
I couldn't care less about happy sad whatever endings I just want closure and to not be confused.

Its that simple guys.
why is that so hard to understand?

[Nepp]

Rockworm503 wrote...

We weren't lied to?  Has the definition of lie been changed without me knowing?  Because where I'm sitting it looks like a freaking lie and its a lie that people like the OP is quick to push out of the way.... Why?  Because we're overreacting and "sabatoging" the game?  I didn't know excpecting better from one of my favorite companies was sabotage.
I couldn't care less about happy sad whatever endings I just want closure and to not be confused.

Its that simple guys.
why is that so hard to understand?

Giggity Giggymantis seems to have problems grasping that. Probably due to EA/BW Indoctrination.

[Gigamantis]

o Ventus wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Skeloton wrote...

Go on gigamantis, what exactly was resolved in the ending of me3? Because that was a VERY vague statement.

Ugh, that would count as posting spoilers in the non-spoilers section.  Plenty of things were resolved in ME3 even leading up to the ending. 

Or you could, y'know, PM or something.

Let's be honest for a second here. ME3 has been out for a long enough while that everyone who posts here has also beaten the game.

Factor in that typically only the most devoted "fans" of a franchise visit their forums, and having to not post spoilers is pointless.

That would be like reading the sports section in the local paper, even though you hate sports.

This isn't my forum; I don't make the rules and neither do you.  Even if most of the people on this forum know all the spoilers I don't want to spoil anything for anyone. 

If I want to discuss the plot in detail I'll go to the spoiler section.  Right now you people trying to discuss the plot are just using it as a diversion to the 3 points I made that were the purpose of this thread.  

[Rockworm503]

Gigamantis wrote...

Alexraptor1 wrote...

Yes, if you ignore the gaping plotholes and how the ending completely tramples on and undoes the entire plot and story of the preceeding games, and violates all the principle tennants of narration, etc etc etc...

We were also promised the endings would not be A, B and C... which is EXACTLY what they were.

I've seen the ending and it doesn't trample on anything.  I've noticed the unsettled plot mechanics and just assumed they were left to make room for more content.  We all knew DLC was coming so some things had to still be left to explain or explore.  

The rest of what you're saying is either marginal or complete nonsense.  Like I said, more constructive and less emotional is required. 

Wait...
let me get this straight.
You firmly believe that they left the end unfinished on purpose for more DLC?
And you are not only FINE with that but you are mad at anyone who isn't?
This is the kind of nickle and diming that I hate Capcom for why should i pay more for something that should've been in there in the first place?

[Gigamantis]

Rockworm503 wrote...

We weren't lied to?  Has the definition of lie been changed without me knowing?  Because where I'm sitting it looks like a freaking lie and its a lie that people like the OP is quick to push out of the way.... Why?  Because we're overreacting and "sabatoging" the game?  I didn't know excpecting better from one of my favorite companies was sabotage.
I couldn't care less about happy sad whatever endings I just want closure and to not be confused.

Its that simple guys.
why is that so hard to understand?

The definition of a lie hasn't changed; I guess you just never learned what a lie is. 

[o Ventus]

Gigamantis wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Skeloton wrote...

Go on gigamantis, what exactly was resolved in the ending of me3? Because that was a VERY vague statement.

Ugh, that would count as posting spoilers in the non-spoilers section.  Plenty of things were resolved in ME3 even leading up to the ending. 

Or you could, y'know, PM or something.

Let's be honest for a second here. ME3 has been out for a long enough while that everyone who posts here has also beaten the game.

Factor in that typically only the most devoted "fans" of a franchise visit their forums, and having to not post spoilers is pointless.

That would be like reading the sports section in the local paper, even though you hate sports.

This isn't my forum; I don't make the rules and neither do you.  Even if most of the people on this forum know all the spoilers I don't want to spoil anything for anyone. 

If I want to discuss the plot in detail I'll go to the spoiler section.  Right now you people trying to discuss the plot are just using it as a diversion to the 3 points I made that were the purpose of this thread.  

Cue generalized attacks on a group of people.