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Gigamantis wrote...

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1.) Alright, if someone asks me if I have a dog right now my answer will be yes.  If I get rid of my dog in 2 months and that same person visits me in 3 months I won't have a dog.  Did I lie to them?  

2.) Of course it's possible.  There are 10's of uncreative and unsatisfying ways I could come up with off the top of my head to handle the problems people have, but I'm not going to list them here.  The point is that in a work of science fiction everything is explainable and if you have good writers it can be done well. 

3.) ME3 was never meant to be a standalone game like ME1 could've been, and ME2 left me with more questions than ME3 did.  The collectors were a supplemental issue to the main problems; literally none of the overlying problems in the world were addressed satisfactorily because there was more content planned.  There's more content planned for ME3 as well.



1) You're warping the question, that has nothing to do with a validating someting to someone and then instead of clarifying the changes which you knew were happening, kept quiet and led them to believe your initial statement.
 if someone asked you if they could see your dog in 3 months and you say yes, then get rid of your dog but never tell them that when they ask supplementary questions you are withholding the truth aka, a lie of omission.

2) In science fiction sure, but an answer that follows with mass effect's established lore and continuity? Still waiting for that PM/other thread. 

3) ME2 leaves you with the questions about the reaper plot, but the reaper invasion took a back seat to the threat at hand as the game was about the collectors abducting humans. What questions did me2 leave you with?

1.) If it was true when they were asked it wasn't a lie.  If they were asked after the change and lied then it was a lie, but you have nothing indicating that happened.  You assuming they omitted information when asked is based on nothing. 

2.) Most of the problems people have are with conception of character behavior and motive, not physical or material impossibilities.  These kinds of things are easily addressed in writing, even with something as unsatisfying as a change in character or collective opinion.

3.) At the end of just ME2 I had questions about harbringer,  the shadow broker, the genophage and mainly the reapers.  The looming reaper threat was a GAPING plothole if we weren't assuming more content. 


1) The whole BSN is asking questions about the endings...Still doesn't take away from the fact that, in this case, Gamble lied to the interviewer's face, and in more recent cases Mac Walters lied on February 28th (week before release) about the rachni consequences and the endings.
2) Not at all, complaint about space magic is far from problems with character behavior. Space magic doesn't belong in the mass effect universe because it was never established as a part of the series, star wars can handwave almost anything away as the force, mass effect doesn't have that luxury and can't permit themselves to even try if they want to respect their own lore.

3) Questions about harbinger were not answered in ME3, the shadow broker was addressed in ME2 dlc but before the dlc played an even smaller part than in ME1, the genophage storyline is expanded upon in me3 but its consequences are, also, not addressed and as said before the looming reaper threat wasn't a plothole because ME2 was simply the chapter leading up to it. I don't see what more you could have wanted to learn about the reaper invasion in ME2 if the game were to, once again, stick to its lore and stand by the fact that we know NOTHING about the reapers. 

I agree that more content is planned for ME3, that's obvious. It doesn't even have to be about Shepard (see Take Back Omega feat. Aria rumor) but advertising a conclusion to a series and not concluding 'EVERYTHING' like you put it is not satisfying for anyone. 

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Yes, if you ignore the gaping plotholes and how the ending completely tramples on and undoes the entire plot and story of the preceeding games, and violates all the principle tennants of narration, etc etc etc...

We were also promised the endings would not be A, B and C... which is EXACTLY what they were.

I've seen the ending and it doesn't trample on anything.  I've noticed the unsettled plot mechanics and just assumed they were left to make room for more content.  We all knew DLC was coming so some things had to still be left to explain or explore.  

The rest of what you're saying is either marginal or complete nonsense.  Like I said, more constructive and less emotional is required. 


Wait...
let me get this straight.
You firmly believe that they left the end unfinished on purpose for more DLC?
And you are not only FINE with that but you are mad at anyone who isn't?
This is the kind of nickle and diming that I hate Capcom for why should i pay more for something that should've been in there in the first place?

I'm not mad at anyone.  All DLC is just supplemental content that easily could've been included in the original game.  Doesn't mean the game's bad, just that it's expensive.  

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Basically you won't pm because your argument is built on wet tissue paper?

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Gigamantis wrote...

A list ...

1.) Despite what you all want to claim you weren't "lied to."  They promised varied endings based on your choices and you got 3 of them.  If they weren't varied enough for you that's fine, you have every right to be disappointed.  Pretending you were lied to, however, is silly. 

2.) Some of you are proponents of the "happy ending" and it's the reason you're upset.  That's not your call to make and if any changes are made in that capacity to the ending it will be an outrage.  If you "fans" end up tainting the DLC like that I couldn't stomach buying it; I want the real ending.  

3.) There are many questions that still need answering and plot points that need settling.  That's pretty much what DLC is and with no loose ends there would be no conceivable reason to release more content.  You all knew there would be DLC. 


1. Thing is, Casey Hudson himself said we wouldn't get the traditional A,B,C endings.
We did.

2. This is strawman, and bears no real meaning in why the endings are bad.

3. They also said we would not get more questions than answers.

What else would you like me to destroy?:wizard:

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Hunter of Legends wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

A list ...

1.) Despite what you all want to claim you weren't "lied to."  They promised varied endings based on your choices and you got 3 of them.  If they weren't varied enough for you that's fine, you have every right to be disappointed.  Pretending you were lied to, however, is silly. 

2.) Some of you are proponents of the "happy ending" and it's the reason you're upset.  That's not your call to make and if any changes are made in that capacity to the ending it will be an outrage.  If you "fans" end up tainting the DLC like that I couldn't stomach buying it; I want the real ending.  

3.) There are many questions that still need answering and plot points that need settling.  That's pretty much what DLC is and with no loose ends there would be no conceivable reason to release more content.  You all knew there would be DLC. 


1. Thing is, Casey Hudson himself said we wouldn't get the traditional A,B,C endings.
We did.

2. This is strawman, and bears no real meaning in why the endings are bad.

3. They also said we would not get more questions than answers.
We did.
What else would you like me to destroy?:wizard:



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The "happy ending" faction is the one I understand the least. I've seen movies / played games with bad endings where the player character was again much lesser odds then we are in ME3. I cannot believe that so many thought this would end well, in a magical and all-over victory and a big party at the end.

I expected many things, but not your typical Hollywood happy ending. Not by a long shot.


The point to gather resourses, fight the reapers is to save the galaxy. With that ending what was accomplished? Thats why this ending do not make sense. Leaves you with an empty feeling. All for nothing!

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Just stop feeding Gigamantis. He is obviously doing his best to get under your skin. I mean his arguments are just as evasible as the endings themself.

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I'm not mad at anyone.  All DLC is just supplemental content that easily could've been included in the original game.  Doesn't mean the game's bad, just that it's expensive.  


Regardless, they handled this badly from a business perspective.  I'd agree with you on pricing - another thing the gaming industry needs to get it's head out its ass about.  Whats wrong with charging a premium if you have a premium reputation? 

Although they're certainly pushing their luck with ME3, I think it's something the industry should tackle, it's not unreasonable.

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anorling wrote...

Just stop feeding Gigamantis. He is obviously doing his best to get under your skin. I mean his arguments are just as evasible as the endings themself.

and its logic is as circular as the catalyst..........OMFG........he is the starchild.......

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bigbade wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

bigbade wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

1.) Alright, if someone asks me if I have a dog right now my answer will be yes.  If I get rid of my dog in 2 months and that same person visits me in 3 months I won't have a dog.  Did I lie to them?  

2.) Of course it's possible.  There are 10's of uncreative and unsatisfying ways I could come up with off the top of my head to handle the problems people have, but I'm not going to list them here.  The point is that in a work of science fiction everything is explainable and if you have good writers it can be done well. 

3.) ME3 was never meant to be a standalone game like ME1 could've been, and ME2 left me with more questions than ME3 did.  The collectors were a supplemental issue to the main problems; literally none of the overlying problems in the world were addressed satisfactorily because there was more content planned.  There's more content planned for ME3 as well.



1) You're warping the question, that has nothing to do with a validating someting to someone and then instead of clarifying the changes which you knew were happening, kept quiet and led them to believe your initial statement.
 if someone asked you if they could see your dog in 3 months and you say yes, then get rid of your dog but never tell them that when they ask supplementary questions you are withholding the truth aka, a lie of omission.

2) In science fiction sure, but an answer that follows with mass effect's established lore and continuity? Still waiting for that PM/other thread. 

3) ME2 leaves you with the questions about the reaper plot, but the reaper invasion took a back seat to the threat at hand as the game was about the collectors abducting humans. What questions did me2 leave you with?

1.) If it was true when they were asked it wasn't a lie.  If they were asked after the change and lied then it was a lie, but you have nothing indicating that happened.  You assuming they omitted information when asked is based on nothing. 

2.) Most of the problems people have are with conception of character behavior and motive, not physical or material impossibilities.  These kinds of things are easily addressed in writing, even with something as unsatisfying as a change in character or collective opinion.

3.) At the end of just ME2 I had questions about harbringer,  the shadow broker, the genophage and mainly the reapers.  The looming reaper threat was a GAPING plothole if we weren't assuming more content. 


1) The whole BSN is asking questions about the endings...Still doesn't take away from the fact that, in this case, Gamble lied to the interviewer's face, and in more recent cases Mac Walters lied on February 28th (week before release) about the rachni consequences and the endings.
2) Not at all, complaint about space magic is far from problems with character behavior. Space magic doesn't belong in the mass effect universe because it was never established as a part of the series, star wars can handwave almost anything away as the force, mass effect doesn't have that luxury and can't permit themselves to even try if they want to respect their own lore.

3) Questions about harbinger were not answered in ME3, the shadow broker was addressed in ME2 dlc but before the dlc played an even smaller part than in ME1, the genophage storyline is expanded upon in me3 but its consequences are, also, not addressed and as said before the looming reaper threat wasn't a plothole because ME2 was simply the chapter leading up to it. I don't see what more you could have wanted to learn about the reaper invasion in ME2 if the game were to, once again, stick to its lore and stand by the fact that we know NOTHING about the reapers. 

I agree that more content is planned for ME3, that's obvious. It doesn't even have to be about Shepard (see Take Back Omega feat. Aria rumor) but advertising a conclusion to a series and not concluding 'EVERYTHING' like you put it is not satisfying for anyone. 

1.) In this case the interviewer wasn't lied to because you can't establish intent, and I'm not sure what was said about the rachni consequences.

2.) That's just silly, even if you think it needs more establishment nothing in the lore prohibits that kind of thing. 

3.) If we're assuming standalone games ME2 leaves more questions due to the reaper threat alone, though there was obviously other questions to be answered.  ME3 concluded the story without explaining everything, which creates a lot of room for extra content.  I personally like that because a lot more detail will likely go into these explanations than just trying to explain away everything quickly right at ME3's conclusion. 

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Gigamantis wrote...



1.) Despite what you all want to claim you weren't "lied to."  They promised varied endings based on your choices and you got 3 of them.  If they weren't varied enough for you that's fine, you have every right to be disappointed.  Pretending you were lied to, however, is silly. 



A different color explosion and some crew members in or out it's what you call a different ending?

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3.) There are many questions that still need answering and plot points that need settling.  That's pretty much what DLC is and with no loose ends there would be no conceivable reason to release more content.  You all knew there would be DLC. 

By everyone's admission the rest of the game was fantastic.  No matter what reasons you subscribe to you're overreacting and not being constructive.  Trying to sabotage the game on fan and review sites is silly.  Calling the game garbage and making empty threats on the forums is silly.  If you're disappointed voice it, but the community has been rather embarrassing on this issue.  Get your heads straight. 


And yet Casey is directly quoted as having said there will be no post-game DLC, in the final hours app.  And yet we find out that was blatantly false and in fact post-game DLC has been in production for months.  There is certainly some silliness going on here, but I would not place it squarely on the shoulders of the fanbase.  This thread however is suspect at best.  All of those are extremely poor reasons as to why the ending is "fine."

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3.) DLC is tearing pages out of the middle and/or end of the book and reselling them.  Whether you like that concept or not that's what DLC is in every game you've ever played.  


Not true in the slightest.
Grand Theft Auto had full complete storys that complimented the original felt like full fledged expansion packs.
Fallout New Vegas each ad new areas and interesting storys and characters that expand the universe.
Red Dead Redemption's DLC is a complete new game where the wild west is overrun by zombies oh yeah you can totally tell these were cut out of the main game to nickle and dime us :lol:.

You are claiming that we should be fine with the real ending being taken out and being charged for it because DLC exists.
The fact that you can't tell the difference says a lot about you really.

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A list ...

1.) Despite what you all want to claim you weren't "lied to."  They promised varied endings based on your choices and you got 3 of them.  If they weren't varied enough for you that's fine, you have every right to be disappointed.  Pretending you were lied to, however, is silly. 

2.) Some of you are proponents of the "happy ending" and it's the reason you're upset.  That's not your call to make and if any changes are made in that capacity to the ending it will be an outrage.  If you "fans" end up tainting the DLC like that I couldn't stomach buying it; I want the real ending.  

3.) There are many questions that still need answering and plot points that need settling.  That's pretty much what DLC is and with no loose ends there would be no conceivable reason to release more content.  You all knew there would be DLC. 


1. Thing is, Casey Hudson himself said we wouldn't get the traditional A,B,C endings.
We did.

2. This is strawman, and bears no real meaning in why the endings are bad.

3. They also said we would not get more questions than answers.

What else would you like me to destroy?:wizard:

1.) There were technically more than 3 endings and your accumulated decisions effected what happened.  Even if the 3 distinct endings mirrored ABC in your head that's just opinion.

2.) This is what a lot of people are complaining about.  If it doesn't apply to you then don't worry about it.

3.) I got plenty of answers playing through the game.  The only real questions I got were from the ending.  

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Gigamantis wrote...

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3.) Technically the game is a trilogy, so to get the "full package," which includes all plot development and conclusion up to this point, you paid way more than $80.  


And this is the point where your credibility (What's left of it) evaporates away. The fallacies in this post are too obvious to ignore. There is no way you wrote this while sober. Not to mention you dodged the point of my original post.

Don't bother responding to me, I likely won't be returning here.

You're just being a troll now.  If you don't like paying for continuation or furthor explanation of a story and need it all in one purchase a trilogy was a contradictory choice for you.  It's like many of you have never experienced DLC before today.  


I have experienced DLC.
I will not experience blatant take out conetent to charge me more.
Thats where I draw the line.
If this is in fact what they are doing than goodbye Bioware.

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Gigamantis - Have you read either of the two links that have been posted in response to your OP? If not, please do so.

Here they are, again, for you.

www.gamefront.com/mass-effect-3-ending-hatred-5-reasons-the-fans-are-right/3/

jmstevenson.wordpress.com/2012/03/22/all-that-matters-is-the-ending-part-2-mass-effect-3/


If, after reading those two very well thought out links, you can't understand why the ending is not "fine", then there is no hope for you.

I've seen those and they're the same complaints I've been addressing here; just in esoteric fashion to avoid spoilers.  My points were outlined in the OP.  1) You weren't lied too.  2) You weren't entitled to a "happy ending."  3) Anything that would benefit from furthor explanation can and likely will be addressed in DLC; that's all DLC could be in a game that's ended.  


*ROFLMAO* I'm sorry, but you clearly are delusional. Your OP and your title say that the ending was FINE.  Those two links CONTRADICT your claim that the ending was fine. 

Those articles don't prove the ending isn't fine.  They complain about the same things I've addressed a lot in this thread.


Yes, those articles DO prove that the ending isn't fine. Had you actually read them, you'd know that. 

Here is what I have learned about you, Gigamantis: 
1) You don't understand what an RPG is supposed to be. 
2) You've clearly weren't paying attention in 9th grade English class when they talked about how a story is supposed to be written. 
3) Nothing anyone says here is going to change your delusional mind. 


4) he believes all DLC from its inception has been cutting out content and selling it later and we should all be fine with it.

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Rockworm503 wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...



3.) DLC is tearing pages out of the middle and/or end of the book and reselling them.  Whether you like that concept or not that's what DLC is in every game you've ever played.  


Not true in the slightest.
Grand Theft Auto had full complete storys that complimented the original felt like full fledged expansion packs.
Fallout New Vegas each ad new areas and interesting storys and characters that expand the universe.
Red Dead Redemption's DLC is a complete new game where the wild west is overrun by zombies oh yeah you can totally tell these were cut out of the main game to nickle and dime us :lol:.

You are claiming that we should be fine with the real ending being taken out and being charged for it because DLC exists.
The fact that you can't tell the difference says a lot about you really.

Sandbox games are different.  Just because one DLC is a complete aside and the other only wants to deal with main story content doesn't mean they're not just attempts to nickel and dime you.  Both fallout games and skyrim are mostly side quests and non-main story content. 

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Ok! I'll be damned but I admit. I really wanted the game to end like this:
Image IPB

Goddamnit! That doesn't make me a bad person.
What have the world come to when we can't even be allowed to find a little happiness in the fiction we flee to to get away from all the evil, tragedy and despair that surrounds us in the real world?!
Give me my happy ending. I deserve it and so does the story itself!


This hell is EDI?

Lets face it guys.....Ending was rushed and BW CEO is just doing what any sane Boss would , backing up his own boys.

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Gigamantis wrote...

bigbade wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

bigbade wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

1.) Alright, if someone asks me if I have a dog right now my answer will be yes.  If I get rid of my dog in 2 months and that same person visits me in 3 months I won't have a dog.  Did I lie to them?  

2.) Of course it's possible.  There are 10's of uncreative and unsatisfying ways I could come up with off the top of my head to handle the problems people have, but I'm not going to list them here.  The point is that in a work of science fiction everything is explainable and if you have good writers it can be done well. 

3.) ME3 was never meant to be a standalone game like ME1 could've been, and ME2 left me with more questions than ME3 did.  The collectors were a supplemental issue to the main problems; literally none of the overlying problems in the world were addressed satisfactorily because there was more content planned.  There's more content planned for ME3 as well.



1) You're warping the question, that has nothing to do with a validating someting to someone and then instead of clarifying the changes which you knew were happening, kept quiet and led them to believe your initial statement.
 if someone asked you if they could see your dog in 3 months and you say yes, then get rid of your dog but never tell them that when they ask supplementary questions you are withholding the truth aka, a lie of omission.

2) In science fiction sure, but an answer that follows with mass effect's established lore and continuity? Still waiting for that PM/other thread. 

3) ME2 leaves you with the questions about the reaper plot, but the reaper invasion took a back seat to the threat at hand as the game was about the collectors abducting humans. What questions did me2 leave you with?

1.) If it was true when they were asked it wasn't a lie.  If they were asked after the change and lied then it was a lie, but you have nothing indicating that happened.  You assuming they omitted information when asked is based on nothing. 

2.) Most of the problems people have are with conception of character behavior and motive, not physical or material impossibilities.  These kinds of things are easily addressed in writing, even with something as unsatisfying as a change in character or collective opinion.

3.) At the end of just ME2 I had questions about harbringer,  the shadow broker, the genophage and mainly the reapers.  The looming reaper threat was a GAPING plothole if we weren't assuming more content. 


1) The whole BSN is asking questions about the endings...Still doesn't take away from the fact that, in this case, Gamble lied to the interviewer's face, and in more recent cases Mac Walters lied on February 28th (week before release) about the rachni consequences and the endings.
2) Not at all, complaint about space magic is far from problems with character behavior. Space magic doesn't belong in the mass effect universe because it was never established as a part of the series, star wars can handwave almost anything away as the force, mass effect doesn't have that luxury and can't permit themselves to even try if they want to respect their own lore.

3) Questions about harbinger were not answered in ME3, the shadow broker was addressed in ME2 dlc but before the dlc played an even smaller part than in ME1, the genophage storyline is expanded upon in me3 but its consequences are, also, not addressed and as said before the looming reaper threat wasn't a plothole because ME2 was simply the chapter leading up to it. I don't see what more you could have wanted to learn about the reaper invasion in ME2 if the game were to, once again, stick to its lore and stand by the fact that we know NOTHING about the reapers. 

I agree that more content is planned for ME3, that's obvious. It doesn't even have to be about Shepard (see Take Back Omega feat. Aria rumor) but advertising a conclusion to a series and not concluding 'EVERYTHING' like you put it is not satisfying for anyone. 

1.) In this case the interviewer wasn't lied to because you can't establish intent, and I'm not sure what was said about the rachni consequences.

2.) That's just silly, even if you think it needs more establishment nothing in the lore prohibits that kind of thing. 

3.) If we're assuming standalone games ME2 leaves more questions due to the reaper threat alone, though there was obviously other questions to be answered.  ME3 concluded the story without explaining everything, which creates a lot of room for extra content.  I personally like that because a lot more detail will likely go into these explanations than just trying to explain away everything quickly right at ME3's conclusion. 


1) It's a thread in story section with the article, Mac Walters says a couple things about the ending, a couple days before release, that just aren't true. But whatever, moving on.

2) Sure it does, mass effect has always been grounded in a somewhat logical fiction, they try to explain everything as fake-scientifically as possible and make it so we can relate. 99,9% of the lore is plausible because we can relate and that's what made ME great. The ending is not mass effect, yes they can add that into the lore but it is commonly accepted that adding a critical theme to the plot at the very end is poor writing. Thus the ending is not "fine".

3) I sort of agree with you here, it is nice to think that ME3 was left wide open for more content that clears things up but now you're going off the assumption that they will do that, we don't know what they have planned. 

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those things do not make the ending fine.

they are why i hate it.

the ending is not fine.

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Rockworm503 wrote...

Wynteryth wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Wynteryth wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Wynteryth wrote...

Gigamantis - Have you read either of the two links that have been posted in response to your OP? If not, please do so.

Here they are, again, for you.

www.gamefront.com/mass-effect-3-ending-hatred-5-reasons-the-fans-are-right/3/

jmstevenson.wordpress.com/2012/03/22/all-that-matters-is-the-ending-part-2-mass-effect-3/


If, after reading those two very well thought out links, you can't understand why the ending is not "fine", then there is no hope for you.

I've seen those and they're the same complaints I've been addressing here; just in esoteric fashion to avoid spoilers.  My points were outlined in the OP.  1) You weren't lied too.  2) You weren't entitled to a "happy ending."  3) Anything that would benefit from furthor explanation can and likely will be addressed in DLC; that's all DLC could be in a game that's ended.  


*ROFLMAO* I'm sorry, but you clearly are delusional. Your OP and your title say that the ending was FINE.  Those two links CONTRADICT your claim that the ending was fine. 

Those articles don't prove the ending isn't fine.  They complain about the same things I've addressed a lot in this thread.


Yes, those articles DO prove that the ending isn't fine. Had you actually read them, you'd know that. 

Here is what I have learned about you, Gigamantis: 
1) You don't understand what an RPG is supposed to be. 
2) You've clearly weren't paying attention in 9th grade English class when they talked about how a story is supposed to be written. 
3) Nothing anyone says here is going to change your delusional mind. 


4) he believes all DLC from its inception has been cutting out content and selling it later and we should all be fine with it.

Having the DLC be pieces of the main story is just one way to do it, but there's nothing wrong with it. 

Skyrim, for example, is mainly just a massive collection of side-quests.  Any DLC that's just another collection of unrelated quests could easily have been in the original game.  

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Gigamantis, technically there are 3 endings with minute changes depending on you ems.....they don't not count as different endings.

So you never wondered what the point of Nazara (sovereign) was? Why we couldn't use the conduit to get on the citadel? Why Shepard doesn't question the circular logic of the catalyst? Why didn't the catalyst couldn't do anything without Shepard's help?

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Gigamantis wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

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A list ...

1.) Despite what you all want to claim you weren't "lied to."  They promised varied endings based on your choices and you got 3 of them.  If they weren't varied enough for you that's fine, you have every right to be disappointed.  Pretending you were lied to, however, is silly. 

2.) Some of you are proponents of the "happy ending" and it's the reason you're upset.  That's not your call to make and if any changes are made in that capacity to the ending it will be an outrage.  If you "fans" end up tainting the DLC like that I couldn't stomach buying it; I want the real ending.  

3.) There are many questions that still need answering and plot points that need settling.  That's pretty much what DLC is and with no loose ends there would be no conceivable reason to release more content.  You all knew there would be DLC. 


1. Thing is, Casey Hudson himself said we wouldn't get the traditional A,B,C endings.
We did.

2. This is strawman, and bears no real meaning in why the endings are bad.

3. They also said we would not get more questions than answers.

What else would you like me to destroy?:wizard:

1.) There were technically more than 3 endings and your accumulated decisions effected what happened.  Even if the 3 distinct endings mirrored ABC in your head that's just opinion.


3.) I got plenty of answers playing through the game.  The only real questions I got were from the ending.  


1. No there wasn't, and now you are just trying to argue semantics. Casey KNEW the answer to the questions and deliberately lied to the customers. This is bad business.

3. The thing is, we ended up with more questions than answer with THE ENDING ALONE.

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Gigamantis wrote...

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We weren't lied to?  Has the definition of lie been changed without me knowing?  Because where I'm sitting it looks like a freaking lie and its a lie that people like the OP is quick to push out of the way.... Why?  Because we're overreacting and "sabatoging" the game?  I didn't know excpecting better from one of my favorite companies was sabotage.
I couldn't care less about happy sad whatever endings I just want closure and to not be confused.

Its that simple guys.
why is that so hard to understand?

The definition of a lie hasn't changed; I guess you just never learned what a lie is. 


Ok I give up.
This guy is going to defend his position to the death and nothing anyone can possibly say will change his mind I'm reminded of this 

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Gigamantis wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

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Alexraptor1 wrote...

Yes, if you ignore the gaping plotholes and how the ending completely tramples on and undoes the entire plot and story of the preceeding games, and violates all the principle tennants of narration, etc etc etc...

We were also promised the endings would not be A, B and C... which is EXACTLY what they were.

I've seen the ending and it doesn't trample on anything.  I've noticed the unsettled plot mechanics and just assumed they were left to make room for more content.  We all knew DLC was coming so some things had to still be left to explain or explore.  

The rest of what you're saying is either marginal or complete nonsense.  Like I said, more constructive and less emotional is required. 


Wait...
let me get this straight.
You firmly believe that they left the end unfinished on purpose for more DLC?
And you are not only FINE with that but you are mad at anyone who isn't?
This is the kind of nickle and diming that I hate Capcom for why should i pay more for something that should've been in there in the first place?

I'm not mad at anyone.  All DLC is just supplemental content that easily could've been included in the original game.  Doesn't mean the game's bad, just that it's expensive.  


The game is expensive when I buy it.  They don't need to nickle and dime us to make it more expensive.
A game that they deliberatly leave out a proper ending just to get more money out of me is a game I'm done with.
No way in hell am I paying for such blatant greed and it boggles my mind that people like you are so quick to defend it.  The game is bad because DLC I will never buy isn't going to fix the terribad ending it just makes the game even worse.