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[Narby]

"I couldnt see any plot holes"

I turned it off there.

[Aesieru]

The Razman wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

You can ignore the codex if you like, but my other statement was merely to counter you in another way

In other words ... because the first attempt at "countering" failed so badly?

You pointed to a codex entry with the word "instantaneous" in it, a word which can be interpreted in a multitude of ways. I pointed to a video showing us mass relay transit actually happening in game. I think my evidence is slightly stronger, no?

No it was perfect, you obviously can't argue with the codex, to do so would be ignorant, and idiotic.

It was to counter your other potential thoughts.

[VictoriousMarch]

StabGuy wrote...

VictoriousMarch wrote...

I love how these jerks keep saying the ending just went over our heads... this pisses me off...clearly they do not read our angst beyond that arrrgh ending sucks... no... it sucks becuase of a plethora of problems. Here are 14 that come off the top of my head. There are tons more listed all over the place.  (I`m sticking with what bothered me during my first two play throughs).

#1. No face carry over from ME1-2
#2. Lots of bugs both in single player and multiplayer
#3. Dumbed down rpg system for a larger forcus on MP and shooter aspects.
#4. The larger focus on Shooter aspects does not live up to many games.
#5. What do you mean all my side quests are scan planet missions?!
#6. What do you mean I do not get to play with any of the character introduced in ME2?
#7. Ahh no Wrex? No Grunt?
#8. Who is Kai Lang anyways and why is he the end boss to this game?
#8 (part 2). No Boss? WTH?
#9. Introducing vital plot characters 5 minutes before the credits roll
#10. Whats with the A B C endings? I thought the endings would be more varied depending on your choices.
#11. Why are the A B C endings the same video with a different colour?
#12. A game about choice ending with no Choice... no real choice anyway...
#13. Dark energy anyone?
#14. This ending only makes sense if you have not played the other Mass Effect games... or at the very least not read a single codex entry in the Mass effect games.

Story wise the game is awesome up untill the end. Yes the story
throughout ME3 makes perfect sense and continues along with the rest of
series. But then you are introduced to a brand new character in the last
1% of the game. This is cheap and lazy. Its what writers do when they
are stuck and do not know how to move forward. And it never works
sucessfully.

I think how bad this ending really is just went over the heads of the reviews... and that is not a comment on their intelligence either. But maybe their integrity...

Perfect game, perfect ending. How could you say these things.

ME3 - 10/10 GOTY, Bioware when are you sending me ME4 exclusive info?

Because I am a rude ingnorant self entitled little child whos too stupid to realize the ending went over my head... well at least if I listen to some people...

Modifié par VictoriousMarch, 26 mars 2012 - 03:25 .

[Aryana70]

Just watched the review....is this guy for real??? No plotholes, perfect ending..."hell NO" *close tab*
I really dont understand how some ppl that love the ending as it is, can sit there and tell people..your stupid or your an idiot if you want the ending changed..."I like the ending, your all crybabies or your carrying on like spoilt brats we're stupid" excuse me!!!....well all i can say is this...If you are happy with the ending that you got more power to you, but why for Goddesses sake, cant we all get the endings WE would like...Is it wrong to want my Shepard to beat the reapers and actually LIVE, to be happy, maybe retire etc, you get the drift. I am interested in seeing what NEW endings BW will bring out, is it gonna be a multi ending DLC or are they gonna play with us and bring out DLC that really doesnt give us any extra ending options........we all know gaming mags etc are paid a nice thick wad of greens to say how fantastic, wonderful, this game is..I bet you he hasnt even played the game at all, he was handed a piece of paper and told to say this, your getting paid to say it

Ok I've rambled enough, sorry anywho this is my HO, everyone has their own which they are intitled to but this guy in the review, doesnt know what the hell he is talking about..

[The Razman]

Aesieru wrote...

The Razman wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

You can ignore the codex if you like, but my other statement was merely to counter you in another way

In other words ... because the first attempt at "countering" failed so badly?

You pointed to a codex entry with the word "instantaneous" in it, a word which can be interpreted in a multitude of ways. I pointed to a video showing us mass relay transit actually happening in game. I think my evidence is slightly stronger, no?

No it was perfect, you obviously can't argue with the codex, to do so would be ignorant, and idiotic.

Explain, then.

/endofargument

Modifié par The Razman, 26 mars 2012 - 03:22 .

[Aesieru]

The Razman wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

The Razman wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

You can ignore the codex if you like, but my other statement was merely to counter you in another way

In other words ... because the first attempt at "countering" failed so badly?

You pointed to a codex entry with the word "instantaneous" in it, a word which can be interpreted in a multitude of ways. I pointed to a video showing us mass relay transit actually happening in game. I think my evidence is slightly stronger, no?

No it was perfect, you obviously can't argue with the codex, to do so would be ignorant, and idiotic.

Explain, then.

/endofargument

Easy, DRAMATIC EFFECT, it's called movie magic meant for drama and impact, to get anticipation of arriving. Usually it is handwaved because people expect it in our society of entertainment these days.

[AkiKishi]

Ryuji2 wrote...

"As far as plot holes, I didn't see any."

There are...no words. So I leave this picture instead.

Ignorance is bliss. Clearly being uninformed and unobservant is an advantage when it comes to enjoying the endings.

[The Razman]

Aesieru wrote...

The Razman wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

The Razman wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

You can ignore the codex if you like, but my other statement was merely to counter you in another way

In other words ... because the first attempt at "countering" failed so badly?

You pointed to a codex entry with the word "instantaneous" in it, a word which can be interpreted in a multitude of ways. I pointed to a video showing us mass relay transit actually happening in game. I think my evidence is slightly stronger, no?

No it was perfect, you obviously can't argue with the codex, to do so would be ignorant, and idiotic.

Explain, then.

/endofargument

Easy, DRAMATIC EFFECT, it's called movie magic meant for drama and impact, to get anticipation of arriving. Usually it is handwaved because people expect it in our society of entertainment these days.

EDI says "Prepare for deceleration". There's no dramatic effect there, that line makes no sense unless they're both in transit and it takes a non-instantaneous amount of time to transit. A far better explanation is that, just like in the light analogy I gave you before and you conveniently ignored, the transit is so fast in comparison to normal means of propulsion that the word "instantaneous" is used (just like we say that a light comes on "instantaneously", when we know it doesn't.)

You're arguing that an ambiguous word in a codex entry trumps what you can see with your own eyes happening within the game. Argument = over, sorry.

[NedPepper]

Hey, I'll offer a different feedback to this video besides complaing about the damn ending. Bioware...I don't want a Mass Effect MMO. Just like I didn't want a Star Wars MMO. If that's where you're going...you'll have to count me out. (And I loved the KotOR series....but I don't play MMOs so no Old Republic. Don't enjoy it.)

[Darth Kraken]

I agree with MSNBC

[Aesieru]

The Razman wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

The Razman wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

The Razman wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

You can ignore the codex if you like, but my other statement was merely to counter you in another way

In other words ... because the first attempt at "countering" failed so badly?

You pointed to a codex entry with the word "instantaneous" in it, a word which can be interpreted in a multitude of ways. I pointed to a video showing us mass relay transit actually happening in game. I think my evidence is slightly stronger, no?

No it was perfect, you obviously can't argue with the codex, to do so would be ignorant, and idiotic.

Explain, then.

/endofargument

Easy, DRAMATIC EFFECT, it's called movie magic meant for drama and impact, to get anticipation of arriving. Usually it is handwaved because people expect it in our society of entertainment these days.

EDI says "Prepare for deceleration". There's no dramatic effect there, that line makes no sense unless they're both in transit and it takes a non-instantaneous amount of time to transit. A far better explanation is that, just like in the light analogy I gave you before and you conveniently ignored, the transit is so fast in comparison to normal means of propulsion that the word "instantaneous" is used (just like we say that a light comes on "instantaneously", when we know it doesn't.)

You're arguing that an ambiguous word in a codex entry trumps what you can see with your own eyes happening within the game. Argument = over, sorry.

Yes, because it's done and explained that way in Movies all the time, and no one takes your argument because they understand movie magic and dramatic scenes. It's ingrained in society.

[ShinAnubisXIII]

Lol, this guy contradicts himself... On one hand he says the ending 'might have gone over some people's heads' and on the other he says 'it's a matter of opinion, not intelligence'... Uh-huh. And once he came up with that 'entitlement' BS again, I stopped taking him seriously.

[durasteel]

If the reviewer played ME3 without an import from ME2, played through it quickly and missed a lot of companion dialog, and treated it like a video game instead of the immersive interactive storytelling experience it really is, then yeah... I can totally see how he could have missed all the plot holes.

Mass Effect (the series) is one of those things that get more out of when you put more into it. When you take the time to talk to everyone, when you get to know the world and the characters, when you really think about the choices you make, these games become much more than "just a game." Many of the people who are dismissive of the drive for a new ending use that exact phrase, "It's just a game." That is a clear indication that they didn't put the time into engaging the trilogy of games to their full extent.

That's fine, for them. These are good games, as games. It's fun to shoot things and see the funny dialog bits when you pick the occasional silly response. I do not for a moment, though, think that someone who approached Mass Effect from that perspective is qualified to evaluate the game for those of us who really get into the series.

I didn't read every codex entry, and I missed a few quests in act 1. Still, my first completion of ME3 took 43 hours, yet I see reviewers talking about the 20 hour single player campaign. Well, no wonder you don't see the plot holes... you're not looking very hard.

[fwc577]

The Razman wrote...

 

Wait, so different colours does mean things are significantly different now? You've changed your tune.

According to Bioware, different colors do mean significantly different things.  Haven't you been listening to the ending controversy?

[fwc577]

The Razman wrote...

Explain, then.

/endofargument

/plothole
/thread
/stfu

[Aesieru]

fwc577 wrote...

The Razman wrote...

Explain, then.

/endofargument

/plothole
/thread
/stfu

You have just been discredited by resorting to insults and rudeness.

[Sith_exar_kun]

Blackmind1 wrote...

Heavenly_King wrote...

"it is a complex ending" it is apparently so complex that is has no sense AT ALL!!

Exactly. Just because you can't make sense of it, doesn't mean it isn't complex. I think you need to get over this game and move on. It's clear the series isn't for you anymore.

I'm sure you can live life without your precious Bioware, no?

Man, there's plenty of great ppl that are bored of this situation with big producers that dictate what they should do, CDPR, Double Fine and inXile! I'm sticking with them!

[durasteel]

The ending didn't go ever my head. I have a doctorate degree (Jurisprudence) and I have studied philosophy and history enough to minor in them when I was a business major in college. I read a lot. Like most people, I have my share of self-doubt, but one thing I feel pretty comfortable with is my intellect and education.

I was disappointed with the ending, frustrated with its inadequacy, and really sad that such a great game and series of games was concluded on such a sour note. I was not angry, however, until some people began to throw around this idea that we just didn't understand how great this ending was.

Unfortunately, it isn't just a few ignorant reviewers. Dr. Muzyka's statement advanced or perpetuated the notion that we really just needed explanation or clarification of the ending to the game. I find that to be insulting. As a community, we've spent weeks pouring over the ending, studying every detail and considering every nuance in the context of the game and the series as a whole. What has become very evident to me is that unless the indoctrination "conspiracy theory" turns out to be true, we have spent more time thinking about the ending of Mass Effect 3 in two weeks than the design team spent over the last 2 years.

We, the community, are not the problem. We didn't screw up the ending. It is unfortunate that some reviewers and media personalities who haven't taken the time to really understand the ending, its implications, and its context nevertheless feel justified in labeling this a "controversy" and placing the blame for it upon us. I suppose it takes a lot less time to call a group "entitled" than it does to gain a thorough understanding of what the hell you're talking about.

Many of these reviewers probably don't have that kind of time available before they submit their review of the game, because their publisher has given them a deadline which impacts the quality of their work. I imagine the Mass Effect team at BioWare Edmonton can sympathize.

[fwc577]

Aesieru wrote...

fwc577 wrote...

The Razman wrote...

Explain, then.

/endofargument

/plothole
/thread
/stfu

You have just been discredited by resorting to insults and rudeness.

No, Ive already explained it but he refuses to accept the answer, just like the idiots who believe the holocaust never occured or the world is flat.

Please, provide me with a source other than the omega-4 relay that would show that travel through a relay is not instantaneous.

The omega-4 relay is not a normal relay, its exit is very close to a black hole (which the closer an object is to a black hole the more mass it will have due to inreased pull caused by the blackhole) and it required an IFF to pass through it.  Since there are no codex entries or anything else in the game which specifically state what is going on other than the cinematic.  It is safe to assume that the cause is related to things such as the black hole, the IFF, or the fact the relay is a different color.

To top it off, this troll is the one who started the rudeness with "observe children"

If he wants to be a rude piece of trash, then im going to speak to him like a rude piece of trash troll idiot that he is.

/thread

[garf]

durasteel wrote...

The ending didn't go ever my head. I have a doctorate degree (Jurisprudence) and I have studied philosophy and history enough to minor in them when I was a business major in college. I read a lot. Like most people, I have my share of self-doubt, but one thing I feel pretty comfortable with is my intellect and education.

I was disappointed with the ending, frustrated with its inadequacy, and really sad that such a great game and series of games was concluded on such a sour note. I was not angry, however, until some people began to throw around this idea that we just didn't understand how great this ending was.

Unfortunately, it isn't just a few ignorant reviewers. Dr. Muzyka's statement advanced or perpetuated the notion that we really just needed explanation or clarification of the ending to the game. I find that to be insulting. As a community, we've spent weeks pouring over the ending, studying every detail and considering every nuance in the context of the game and the series as a whole. What has become very evident to me is that unless the indoctrination "conspiracy theory" turns out to be true, we have spent more time thinking about the ending of Mass Effect 3 in two weeks than the design team spent over the last 2 years.

We, the community, are not the problem. We didn't screw up the ending. It is unfortunate that some reviewers and media personalities who haven't taken the time to really understand the ending, its implications, and its context nevertheless feel justified in labeling this a "controversy" and placing the blame for it upon us. I suppose it takes a lot less time to call a group "entitled" than it does to gain a thorough understanding of what the hell you're talking about.

Many of these reviewers probably don't have that kind of time available before they submit their review of the game, because their publisher has given them a deadline which impacts the quality of their work. I imagine the Mass Effect team at BioWare Edmonton can sympathize.

QFT and now I get my news from FORBES.

[Aesieru]

fwc577 wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

fwc577 wrote...

The Razman wrote...

Explain, then.

/endofargument

/plothole
/thread
/stfu

You have just been discredited by resorting to insults and rudeness.

No, Ive already explained it but he refuses to accept the answer, just like the idiots who believe the holocaust never occured or the world is flat.

Please, provide me with a source other than the omega-4 relay that would show that travel through a relay is not instantaneous.

The omega-4 relay is not a normal relay, its exit is very close to a black hole (which the closer an object is to a black hole the more mass it will have due to inreased pull caused by the blackhole) and it required an IFF to pass through it.  Since there are no codex entries or anything else in the game which specifically state what is going on other than the cinematic.  It is safe to assume that the cause is related to things such as the black hole, the IFF, or the fact the relay is a different color.

To top it off, this troll is the one who started the rudeness with "observe children"

If he wants to be a rude piece of trash, then im going to speak to him like a rude piece of trash troll idiot that he is.

/thread

When you insult someone, you lose.

This is a basic debating law in any debate club, field, or act of debate.

[fwc577]

Aesieru wrote...

fwc577 wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

fwc577 wrote...

The Razman wrote...

Explain, then.

/endofargument

/plothole
/thread
/stfu

You have just been discredited by resorting to insults and rudeness.

No, Ive already explained it but he refuses to accept the answer, just like the idiots who believe the holocaust never occured or the world is flat.

Please, provide me with a source other than the omega-4 relay that would show that travel through a relay is not instantaneous.

The omega-4 relay is not a normal relay, its exit is very close to a black hole (which the closer an object is to a black hole the more mass it will have due to inreased pull caused by the blackhole) and it required an IFF to pass through it.  Since there are no codex entries or anything else in the game which specifically state what is going on other than the cinematic.  It is safe to assume that the cause is related to things such as the black hole, the IFF, or the fact the relay is a different color.

To top it off, this troll is the one who started the rudeness with "observe children"

If he wants to be a rude piece of trash, then im going to speak to him like a rude piece of trash troll idiot that he is.

/thread

When you insult someone, you lose.

This is a basic debating law in any debate club, field, or act of debate.

Well then I guess everything I said is pointless like the ending of Mass Effect made the entire series since he started the insulting prior to my posts, therefore he had already lost and I had already won.

Thanks for clearing that up.

[InvincibleHero]

@ the Omega 4 relay fight.

It was implied that transit was going to be faster through that relay than normal by the power readings going off the grid and the fact acceleration is way above normal. Who's to say games and movies have instances of compression of time and decompression of time. You also have in game Joker telling you it will take this much time to reacjh destination even though you are at the relays. IT is faster than ftl but in many spots game implies it takes hours or days to make the trip. The cutscene in the Omega 4 played out more like real time than bullet time.

[Aesieru]

fwc577 wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

fwc577 wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

fwc577 wrote...

The Razman wrote...

Explain, then.

/endofargument

/plothole
/thread
/stfu

You have just been discredited by resorting to insults and rudeness.

No, Ive already explained it but he refuses to accept the answer, just like the idiots who believe the holocaust never occured or the world is flat.

Please, provide me with a source other than the omega-4 relay that would show that travel through a relay is not instantaneous.

The omega-4 relay is not a normal relay, its exit is very close to a black hole (which the closer an object is to a black hole the more mass it will have due to inreased pull caused by the blackhole) and it required an IFF to pass through it.  Since there are no codex entries or anything else in the game which specifically state what is going on other than the cinematic.  It is safe to assume that the cause is related to things such as the black hole, the IFF, or the fact the relay is a different color.

To top it off, this troll is the one who started the rudeness with "observe children"

If he wants to be a rude piece of trash, then im going to speak to him like a rude piece of trash troll idiot that he is.

/thread

When you insult someone, you lose.

This is a basic debating law in any debate club, field, or act of debate.

Well then I guess everything I said is pointless like the ending of Mass Effect made the entire series since he started the insulting prior to my posts, therefore he had already lost and I had already won.

Thanks for clearing that up.

You didn't win, he merely lost.

When one loses by default, the other doesn't win unless they had reasonable reasons to do so, else it's just a neutral ending.

Again, debate rules.

[durasteel]

Aesieru wrote...

When you insult someone, you lose.

This is a basic debating law in any debate club, field, or act of debate.

Insults do not support your argument, but they don't undermine it either. If you claim that the world is flat, and I offer clear and unequivocal evidence that it is round, I have won the argument. If I offer that same evidence along with an unflattering observation about you personally, I have still won the argument.

Put another way, just because a person acts like a moron doesn't make them wrong, and just because another person calls them a moron doesn't make them right.

Insults are not appropriate here--I think most of us agree on that point. Let's not confuse them with the underlying arguments, however.

Modifié par durasteel, 26 mars 2012 - 04:23 .