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[wileydsp]

He mentioned turning Mass Effect into an MMO. I pray that doesn't happen. I know MMO's are for some people, but for me I don't want to have to put up with such a huge time sink. Keep it as an multi platform RPG (yeah the RPG is kind of in question now but still)!!!

[chengthao]

Deadmac wrote...

The Razman wrote...

http://video.msnbc.m...n-game/46814813

Cue frothing at the mouth from everyone.

Wow! Praise from Ceaser.

Even though FOX News has its problems, MSNBC is one of the most bigoted, anti-religious, anti-constitutional, and Democrat buttocks loving news networks to ever exist. Regardless about what side they take, MSNBC's support is equivalent to getting an endorsement from Satan.

both "news" organizations are complete crap . . . MSNBC and FOX are essentially the same thing . . . idiots

[cotheer]

"as for plotholes, i didn't see any..."
*closes tab*

[bandfred]

lol msnbc

[Bubalo]

He didn't see any plot holes? And he is the one saying that some people wont understand the story complexity? Guess he is one of them.

[The Razman]

Bubalo wrote...

He didn't see any plot holes? And he is the one saying that some people wont understand the story complexity? Guess he is one of them.

The Normandy is the only real plothole, and some people were more concerned with the fact that it was in the middle of a very emotional ending sequence to either notice or care until they come on the forums and hear people screaming about it.

[oniradix]

Yeah, I understand the endings, it's not that hard and not new (as almost the same endings have been in other games and books). It's just that the endings do not fit as the ending of the ME trilogy. And it's made even worse by the rushed, plot hole riddled, sloppy (even the end explosions starts in the wrong system), haphazard way they crammed it in there (not to mention it was a 180 from the rest of the game AND exactly what they told us they would not do).

It’s frustrating to read reviews that give ME3 a perfect or close to perfect score. If you play the game you know it’s not (there are a few gameplay issues that are not major, but should have been talked about in the reviews). Not to mention the re-play value (or lack thereof), so, how can you take anything they say into consideration?

I used to look professional reviews and the developer before buying a game, but not anymore. Player reviews will be the only ones I look at and cross reference . . . No more, it’s BioWare, it has to be good . . .

[Rogue1982]

obviously indoctrinated

[chengthao]

The Razman wrote...

Bubalo wrote...

He didn't see any plot holes? And he is the one saying that some people wont understand the story complexity? Guess he is one of them.

The Normandy is the only real plothole, and some people were more concerned with the fact that it was in the middle of a very emotional ending sequence to either notice or care until they come on the forums and hear people screaming about it.

what about exploding relays

[Michel1986]

Aesieru wrote...

"THERE ARE NO PLOTHOLES"

Yeah funny isn't it ?

[ZtalkerRM]

"Hey, I'm a games journalist that is depending on Bioware advertising on my employee's website, that actually pays for my salary, and I have an unbiased opinion: I am right and everyone else is wrong."

[Achire]

My guess is that he wrote the review without completing the game like every single reviewer who did not mention the ending at all. He can't admit to it, so of course he has to defend the ending to retain the little credibility he has left.

[syllogi]

I really wish the "gaming journalists" who claim that there are no plot holes at the end of the game would go down the list that people have compiled and attempt to explain these things to us poor idiots who can't comprehend the fabulous writing like they can.

Starting with why Harbinger just goes away, how Anderson got ahead of Shepard to the Citadel, how the existence of the Catalyst doesn't invalidate the plot of ME1, why Shepard is unable to question the Starchild or choose not to play by it's rules, why the Normandy retreats, how the squadmates on the ground get to the Normandy, how the destruction of the mass relays didn't destroy Sol and every other star system they were in, how Hackett knew to contact Shepard (and how it was possible), how Shepard ended up in cement rubble...I don't even think I've listed all of problems.

Seriously, not just gaming journalists, if *anyone* who is brilliant enough to appreciate the endings could explain all of that stuff to me, I would appreciate it.

[chengthao]

Achire wrote...

My guess is that he wrote the review without completing the game like every single reviewer who did not mention the ending at all. He can't admit to it, so of course he has to defend the ending to retain the little credibility he has left.

if he really wanted to protect his credibility, he should write a rebuttal and say that he didn't complete the ending and gave his opinion based on everything before the end

that would uphold his credibility as a journalist but . . . he gets paid by EA/BW and there's no way EA/BW would ever allow themselves to be "bad-mouthed"

[Accism]

Deadmac wrote...

The Razman wrote...

http://video.msnbc.m...n-game/46814813

Cue frothing at the mouth from everyone.

Wow! Praise from Ceaser.

Even though FOX News has its problems, MSNBC is one of the most bigoted, anti-religious, anti-constitutional, and Democrat buttocks loving news networks to ever exist. Regardless about what side they take, MSNBC's support is equivalent to getting an endorsement from Satan.

Let's not bring politics into this, shall we? It's all subjective. I know of more than a few Democrats and Independents who think MSNBC is too right wing, and even a couple Republicans who think FOX news is too leftist. Regardless of what the truth is though, I think we can agree MSNBC are dead wrong on at least one thing: The Mass Effect 3 ending 

[Bubalo]

chengthao wrote...

The Razman wrote...

Bubalo wrote...

He didn't see any plot holes? And he is the one saying that some people wont understand the story complexity? Guess he is one of them.

The Normandy is the only real plothole, and some people were more concerned with the fact that it was in the middle of a very emotional ending sequence to either notice or care until they come on the forums and hear people screaming about it.

what about exploding relays

Er, what about the Catalyst? How come the Reapers complety disregard the Citedal when that was their primary objective in ME1? And why, if the reapers were truely using the Citedal as a storage place for harvesting humans, didnt they move the Citedal sooner? 

Ill be frank, my only disappointment with the ending was the whole Normandy thing, but to say that there were no plot holes is complete bull****.

Modifié par Bubalo, 25 mars 2012 - 06:46 .

[Bcoolpro]

aLucidMind wrote...

Bcoolpro wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

LEt me introduce you into the world of professional wrestling...

Not sure I'd call professional wrestling a sport... since it's scripted... that's not to say there isn't a great deal of athleticism in it.

That is why I do not call MSNBC, IGN, or GameSpot "journalism"; they would all fire someone for putting up a review stating a game is 6/10 in their honest opinion when they want them to claim it is the best thing ever and that anyone saying otherwise just doesn't "get it". Their reviews aren't opinions, they're scripted in accordance to how much they're paid or the perks they get from the developers or producers of the game they're writing.

By the way, there is a lot of athleticism in pro-wrestling. It may be fake, but some of the stuff is actually impressive.

You miss understood me... I said I didn't count it as a sport but even so there is a lot of athleticism in it.
As for the rest reviewers don't only offer positive reviews... and if their opinion was so biased and off then their readership/viewership would fall and they would be fired... I'm not saying there aren't some baised news reporters/reviewers out there but having different points of view doesn't nessisarly make them so...  I didn't totally agree with the MSNBC guy but, Mass Effect 3 has gotten a lot of possite reviews to say they are all shills is ridiculous.

[Paulinius]

MSNBC gave TOR game of the year.

Yah, nah.

[LordJeyl]

To quote Harlen Ellison,

"We are not entitled to our opinions; we are entitled to our informed opinions."

This is not an informed opinion.

[slimgrin]

I don't see why gaming journalists think it's in their best interest to belittle the fans. Also, this whole tempest in a teapot is distracting from what was the original complaint: the ending is just poorly written. I don't want a new one, and I wish Bioware hadn't said they would comply with what the media has dubbed a vocal minority. In fact, if Bioware had any clout, they would defend their decision and their fans against these kind of snubs from gaming journalists.

Also..no plot holes? Is he f*cking kidding?

Modifié par slimgrin, 25 mars 2012 - 06:51 .

[chengthao]

syllogi wrote...

I really wish the "gaming journalists" who claim that there are no plot holes at the end of the game would go down the list that people have compiled and attempt to explain these things to us poor idiots who can't comprehend the fabulous writing like they can.

Starting with why Harbinger just goes away, how Anderson got ahead of Shepard to the Citadel, how the existence of the Catalyst doesn't invalidate the plot of ME1, why Shepard is unable to question the Starchild or choose not to play by it's rules, why the Normandy retreats, how the squadmates on the ground get to the Normandy, how the destruction of the mass relays didn't destroy Sol and every other star system they were in, how Hackett knew to contact Shepard (and how it was possible), how Shepard ended up in cement rubble...I don't even think I've listed all of problems.

Seriously, not just gaming journalists, if *anyone* who is brilliant enough to appreciate the endings could explain all of that stuff to me, I would appreciate it.

Harbinger goes away - EA paid him off

Anderson gets ahead of Shepard - God-Child and space magic

Catalyst in relation to ME1 - ????

Shepard not being able to resist God-Child - cause he's indoctrinated

Normandy retreat - Joker freaked out

Squadmates in Normandy - again space-magic

Mass Relay explosions - space-magic again

Hackett contacting Shepard - they're both indoctrinated and can communicate thanks to space-magic

Shepard in cement rubble - fell from the sky but b/c he was part machine (thanks to Cerberus' rebuild) he survived, oh and space magic

[Farbautisonn]

kbct wrote...

HA! He said he couldn't find any plotholes.

-We have a saying in Danish. Roughly translated its this: "Noone is obliged beyond his abilities".

So... what does that say about him then? 

[Abirn]

The Razman wrote...

Bubalo wrote...

He didn't see any plot holes? And he is the one saying that some people wont understand the story complexity? Guess he is one of them.

The Normandy is the only real plothole, and some people were more concerned with the fact that it was in the middle of a very emotional ending sequence to either notice or care until they come on the forums and hear people screaming about it.

Only real plot hole?  Did you not play ME1?  The whole point of ME1 was that the relay was a trap relay to dark space but the reapers couldn't activate it so they needed to do it manually.  Yet at the end of ME3 you find out the catalyst was on the citadel the whole time.  Never mind the fact that any tactical information talked about on the citadel would be heard by the catalyst but how about the fact that the catalyst could have activated the citadel relay into dark space any time it felt like.  It negates the whole trilogy.  

[graciegrace]

So wait... did he just call people who don't get the ending stupid? Or was I just misinterpreting that backhanded sarcasm?

[slimgrin]

graciegrace wrote...

So wait... did he just call people who don't get the ending stupid? Or was I just misinterpreting that backhanded sarcasm?

Yeah, apparantly the three colors bit just sailed over everyone's head.