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[The Razman]

Bubalo wrote...

In what Joker would do, tell me, any where in the series did Joker ever run from a fight? Yes he ran from EMPs ad explosions but did he ever run from an unknown? If he was so concerned with outrunning the shockwave why not sit further out to see what the shockwave did to other ships before running? The problem with the Normandy bit is the consistency of the character as well as the crew that has served with Shepard through think and thin. 

The fact that in the Final Hours app, Mac says investigory questions pertaining to the StarChild are cut as well as other longer sequences means there could be information we are not aware of which means at this point your's as well as others "logical explanations" could be false.

How is a shockwave coming towards the Normandy "a fight"? You're right, this is about the consistency of the character. And I'm not on board with the concept that Joker being an absolute idiot and thinking "Hm ... there's a shockwave coming towards us. I guess I'll just sit here and do nothing, because even though I have no idea what's going on, I'm sure the great big wave coming towards us is harmless. After all, when have great big massive supernova-like waves ever hurt anyone in the past, huh?"

Joker doesn't run from fights, but this ain't a fight. It's a shockwave. People arguing "JOKER WOULD NEVER RUN!" are basically arguing that Joker would just fly like an idiot into a shockwave without knowing anything about it. I like to give Joker a bit more intellectual credit than that, personally.

[Hunter of Legends]

da mighty rEAper wrote...

MASS EFFECT 3

}(+){

-dialogue choices are lot less but differ greatly compared to rest of the trilogy
-better controls(cover usage, running, tumbles)
-character relationship feels more alive( both between crew members and shep with his/her LI )

}(-){

-story is silly (that crucible **** is so dumb)
-tailored for multiplayer
-retarded and uninteresting sidequests(eavesdropping)
-plot of other trilogy games was changed for some retarded( or just extremely bad executed) technological singularity idea
-despite refusing they still failed with day one dlc, as to there is no reason to not include such valuable content in the game
-reapers are dumb (oh hi dere Sovereign)
-Cerberus and TIM storywise potential is COMPLETELY WASTED
-retarded antagonist (that asian assassin is so retarded, i almost felt like i was watching some stupid anime)

thats not all

Why does everyone think the Dark Energy story was better?

It's crap, and 100x worse than the current Reaper existence.

[Aesieru]

The Razman wrote...

Bubalo wrote...

In what Joker would do, tell me, any where in the series did Joker ever run from a fight? Yes he ran from EMPs ad explosions but did he ever run from an unknown? If he was so concerned with outrunning the shockwave why not sit further out to see what the shockwave did to other ships before running? The problem with the Normandy bit is the consistency of the character as well as the crew that has served with Shepard through think and thin. 

The fact that in the Final Hours app, Mac says investigory questions pertaining to the StarChild are cut as well as other longer sequences means there could be information we are not aware of which means at this point your's as well as others "logical explanations" could be false.

How is a shockwave coming towards the Normandy "a fight"? You're right, this is about the consistency of the character. And I'm not on board with the concept that Joker being an absolute idiot and thinking "Hm ... there's a shockwave coming towards us. I guess I'll just sit here and do nothing, because even though I have no idea what's going on, I'm sure the great big wave coming towards us is harmless. After all, when have great big massive supernova-like waves ever hurt anyone in the past, huh?"

Joker doesn't run from fights, but this ain't a fight. It's a shockwave. People arguing "JOKER WOULD NEVER RUN!" are basically arguing that Joker would just fly like an idiot into a shockwave without knowing anything about it. I like to give Joker a bit more intellectual credit than that, personally.

Since the shockwaves come FROM the relays... he'd have to be near a relay to "run from it" in the first place. There was no reason for him to be there as opposed to at the planet the fight was over.

[The Razman]

Salis777 wrote...

The Razman wrote...

Farbautisonn wrote...

-If you do not know what else to "describe" it with then the logic and lore of the gamie failed. Thats strike One.

*sigh* You're being difficult on purpose, and I'm pretty sure you're aware of it. This isn't a question of lore ... it's a question of what we call it.

So year ... Imma ignore you nao. Unless you want to say anything about how using the relay's energy to put out the wave means there's no energy for it to explode like in The Arrival when its destroyed afterwards.

The fact you're even debating this shows how badly written it was.  I don't pay a writer to have to fill in the gaps afterward.  That's their job, and they failed in many ways.  It takes a rush job or laziness to throw so many literary spanners into the works in 5 minutes, but they managed.

You can say it's badly written if you like, I have no qualms about that. Still doesn't make it a plothole, though.

[Icinix]

Heaven forbid many fans of the series would want the series to end the way the series deserves.

Such an entitled, anti-artistic integrity, whiny bunch of simple minded children in their parents basements who lack the understanding of whats really going on in the ending....


..hmm. Maybe we're not the ones who need to take a chill pill.

[Bubalo]

The Razman wrote...

Bubalo wrote...

In what Joker would do, tell me, any where in the series did Joker ever run from a fight? Yes he ran from EMPs ad explosions but did he ever run from an unknown? If he was so concerned with outrunning the shockwave why not sit further out to see what the shockwave did to other ships before running? The problem with the Normandy bit is the consistency of the character as well as the crew that has served with Shepard through think and thin. 

The fact that in the Final Hours app, Mac says investigory questions pertaining to the StarChild are cut as well as other longer sequences means there could be information we are not aware of which means at this point your's as well as others "logical explanations" could be false.

How is a shockwave coming towards the Normandy "a fight"? You're right, this is about the consistency of the character. And I'm not on board with the concept that Joker being an absolute idiot and thinking "Hm ... there's a shockwave coming towards us. I guess I'll just sit here and do nothing, because even though I have no idea what's going on, I'm sure the great big wave coming towards us is harmless. After all, when have great big massive supernova-like waves ever hurt anyone in the past, huh?"

Joker doesn't run from fights, but this ain't a fight. It's a shockwave. People arguing "JOKER WOULD NEVER RUN!" are basically arguing that Joker would just fly like an idiot into a shockwave without knowing anything about it. I like to give Joker a bit more intellectual credit than that, personally.

I think it pertains to the fact that for Joker to see the shockwave, assuming  the destroy bad ending, he would have to be in orbit of Earth possible already disengaged from the fight, because if you are in the middle of a ship fight you're not going to nessacarily notice the massive wave of color heading towards you as youd be more focused on the thing trying to directly kill you. 

Modifié par Bubalo, 25 mars 2012 - 08:52 .

[Hunter of Legends]

The Razman wrote...

Salis777 wrote...

The Razman wrote...

Farbautisonn wrote...

-If you do not know what else to "describe" it with then the logic and lore of the gamie failed. Thats strike One.

*sigh* You're being difficult on purpose, and I'm pretty sure you're aware of it. This isn't a question of lore ... it's a question of what we call it.

So year ... Imma ignore you nao. Unless you want to say anything about how using the relay's energy to put out the wave means there's no energy for it to explode like in The Arrival when its destroyed afterwards.

The fact you're even debating this shows how badly written it was.  I don't pay a writer to have to fill in the gaps afterward.  That's their job, and they failed in many ways.  It takes a rush job or laziness to throw so many literary spanners into the works in 5 minutes, but they managed.

You can say it's badly written if you like, I have no qualms about that. Still doesn't make it a plothole, though.

You don't know that word's definition do you...

[Salis777]

The Razman wrote...

You can say it's badly written if you like, I have no qualms about that. Still doesn't make it a plothole, though.

Nope, just lazy writing.  Plenty of other random teleporting party members and nonsense that qualifies for the plotholes.  Like, what was the point of Sovereign in ME1 if the godkid was on the Citadel all along?  lol.  I could go on...

[bleetman]

The Razman wrote...

How is a shockwave coming towards the Normandy "a fight"? You're right, this is about the consistency of the character. And I'm not on board with the concept that Joker being an absolute idiot and thinking "Hm ... there's a shockwave coming towards us. I guess I'll just sit here and do nothing, because even though I have no idea what's going on, I'm sure the great big wave coming towards us is harmless. After all, when have great big massive supernova-like waves ever hurt anyone in the past, huh?"

Joker doesn't run from fights, but this ain't a fight. It's a shockwave. People arguing "JOKER WOULD NEVER RUN!" are basically arguing that Joker would just fly like an idiot into a shockwave without knowing anything about it. I like to give Joker a bit more intellectual credit than that, personally.

Given the speed at which the shockwave travels, there is no practical way he could've had the time to have seen it, flown the Normandy to the Sol mass relay and put enough distance between the ship and Earth to not end up stranded in the void between systems. He would've had to have set off far in advance of the crucible activating, when Shepard was still on Earth and the Reapers were still undefeated.

[Bubalo]

Salis777 wrote...

The Razman wrote...

You can say it's badly written if you like, I have no qualms about that. Still doesn't make it a plothole, though.

Nope, just lazy writing.  Plenty of other random teleporting party members and nonsense that qualifies for the plotholes.  Like, what was the point of Sovereign in ME1 if the godkid was on the Citadel all along?  lol.  I could go on...

Godkid dosnt control the Citadel

[Salis777]

Bubalo wrote...

Salis777 wrote...

The Razman wrote...

You can say it's badly written if you like, I have no qualms about that. Still doesn't make it a plothole, though.

Nope, just lazy writing.  Plenty of other random teleporting party members and nonsense that qualifies for the plotholes.  Like, what was the point of Sovereign in ME1 if the godkid was on the Citadel all along?  lol.  I could go on...

Godkid dosnt control the Citadel

He created and controls the reapers, and they built the citadel.  Somantics?

Modifié par Salis777, 25 mars 2012 - 08:57 .

[Cooymans]

>He couldn't find plotholes
>Implying they weren't easier to find then plot that made sense

[The Razman]

Aesieru wrote...

The Razman wrote...

Bubalo wrote...

In what Joker would do, tell me, any where in the series did Joker ever run from a fight? Yes he ran from EMPs ad explosions but did he ever run from an unknown? If he was so concerned with outrunning the shockwave why not sit further out to see what the shockwave did to other ships before running? The problem with the Normandy bit is the consistency of the character as well as the crew that has served with Shepard through think and thin. 

The fact that in the Final Hours app, Mac says investigory questions pertaining to the StarChild are cut as well as other longer sequences means there could be information we are not aware of which means at this point your's as well as others "logical explanations" could be false.

How is a shockwave coming towards the Normandy "a fight"? You're right, this is about the consistency of the character. And I'm not on board with the concept that Joker being an absolute idiot and thinking "Hm ... there's a shockwave coming towards us. I guess I'll just sit here and do nothing, because even though I have no idea what's going on, I'm sure the great big wave coming towards us is harmless. After all, when have great big massive supernova-like waves ever hurt anyone in the past, huh?"

Joker doesn't run from fights, but this ain't a fight. It's a shockwave. People arguing "JOKER WOULD NEVER RUN!" are basically arguing that Joker would just fly like an idiot into a shockwave without knowing anything about it. I like to give Joker a bit more intellectual credit than that, personally.

Since the shockwaves come FROM the relays... he'd have to be near a relay to "run from it" in the first place. There was no reason for him to be there as opposed to at the planet the fight was over.

Take a look at the scene where the fleet arrives in the Sol System again. See that sun? That's Earth's sun, that is. Doesn't look very far away, does it ...?

The Sol Relay isn't that far away from Earth, in reality. Not considering how fast the Normandy is. Joker could easily have reached it ahead of the shockwave and entered the relay.

I actually quite expect a short addition to the ending cut-scene in the future DLC which shows this to be the case.

[Hunter of Legends]

The Razman wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

The Razman wrote...

Bubalo wrote...

In what Joker would do, tell me, any where in the series did Joker ever run from a fight? Yes he ran from EMPs ad explosions but did he ever run from an unknown? If he was so concerned with outrunning the shockwave why not sit further out to see what the shockwave did to other ships before running? The problem with the Normandy bit is the consistency of the character as well as the crew that has served with Shepard through think and thin. 

The fact that in the Final Hours app, Mac says investigory questions pertaining to the StarChild are cut as well as other longer sequences means there could be information we are not aware of which means at this point your's as well as others "logical explanations" could be false.

How is a shockwave coming towards the Normandy "a fight"? You're right, this is about the consistency of the character. And I'm not on board with the concept that Joker being an absolute idiot and thinking "Hm ... there's a shockwave coming towards us. I guess I'll just sit here and do nothing, because even though I have no idea what's going on, I'm sure the great big wave coming towards us is harmless. After all, when have great big massive supernova-like waves ever hurt anyone in the past, huh?"

Joker doesn't run from fights, but this ain't a fight. It's a shockwave. People arguing "JOKER WOULD NEVER RUN!" are basically arguing that Joker would just fly like an idiot into a shockwave without knowing anything about it. I like to give Joker a bit more intellectual credit than that, personally.

Since the shockwaves come FROM the relays... he'd have to be near a relay to "run from it" in the first place. There was no reason for him to be there as opposed to at the planet the fight was over.

Take a look at the scene where the fleet arrives in the Sol System again. See that sun? That's Earth's sun, that is. Doesn't look very far away, does it ...?

The Sol Relay isn't that far away from Earth, in reality. Not considering how fast the Normandy is. Joker could easily have reached it ahead of the shockwave and entered the relay.

I actually quite expect a short addition to the ending cut-scene in the future DLC which shows this to be the case.

The plothole is why the hell the normandy is there in the first place.

We were winning the battle.

[AlienSpaceBats]

What a critical and objective source that video is.

[Icinix]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

The Razman wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

The Razman wrote...

Bubalo wrote...

In what Joker would do, tell me, any where in the series did Joker ever run from a fight? Yes he ran from EMPs ad explosions but did he ever run from an unknown? If he was so concerned with outrunning the shockwave why not sit further out to see what the shockwave did to other ships before running? The problem with the Normandy bit is the consistency of the character as well as the crew that has served with Shepard through think and thin. 

The fact that in the Final Hours app, Mac says investigory questions pertaining to the StarChild are cut as well as other longer sequences means there could be information we are not aware of which means at this point your's as well as others "logical explanations" could be false.

How is a shockwave coming towards the Normandy "a fight"? You're right, this is about the consistency of the character. And I'm not on board with the concept that Joker being an absolute idiot and thinking "Hm ... there's a shockwave coming towards us. I guess I'll just sit here and do nothing, because even though I have no idea what's going on, I'm sure the great big wave coming towards us is harmless. After all, when have great big massive supernova-like waves ever hurt anyone in the past, huh?"

Joker doesn't run from fights, but this ain't a fight. It's a shockwave. People arguing "JOKER WOULD NEVER RUN!" are basically arguing that Joker would just fly like an idiot into a shockwave without knowing anything about it. I like to give Joker a bit more intellectual credit than that, personally.

Since the shockwaves come FROM the relays... he'd have to be near a relay to "run from it" in the first place. There was no reason for him to be there as opposed to at the planet the fight was over.

Take a look at the scene where the fleet arrives in the Sol System again. See that sun? That's Earth's sun, that is. Doesn't look very far away, does it ...?

The Sol Relay isn't that far away from Earth, in reality. Not considering how fast the Normandy is. Joker could easily have reached it ahead of the shockwave and entered the relay.

I actually quite expect a short addition to the ending cut-scene in the future DLC which shows this to be the case.

The plothole is why the hell the normandy is there in the first place.

We were winning the battle.

Also - if the relays DON'T asplode and destroy systems like in Arrival, while the hell is the Normandy running if the wave of energy doens't even hurt undefended soldiers on Earth? The only time the Normandy running makes sense is a low EMS destroy ending.

[The Razman]

Bubalo wrote...

The Razman wrote...

Bubalo wrote...

In what Joker would do, tell me, any where in the series did Joker ever run from a fight? Yes he ran from EMPs ad explosions but did he ever run from an unknown? If he was so concerned with outrunning the shockwave why not sit further out to see what the shockwave did to other ships before running? The problem with the Normandy bit is the consistency of the character as well as the crew that has served with Shepard through think and thin. 

The fact that in the Final Hours app, Mac says investigory questions pertaining to the StarChild are cut as well as other longer sequences means there could be information we are not aware of which means at this point your's as well as others "logical explanations" could be false.

How is a shockwave coming towards the Normandy "a fight"? You're right, this is about the consistency of the character. And I'm not on board with the concept that Joker being an absolute idiot and thinking "Hm ... there's a shockwave coming towards us. I guess I'll just sit here and do nothing, because even though I have no idea what's going on, I'm sure the great big wave coming towards us is harmless. After all, when have great big massive supernova-like waves ever hurt anyone in the past, huh?"

Joker doesn't run from fights, but this ain't a fight. It's a shockwave. People arguing "JOKER WOULD NEVER RUN!" are basically arguing that Joker would just fly like an idiot into a shockwave without knowing anything about it. I like to give Joker a bit more intellectual credit than that, personally.

I think it pertains to the fact that for Joker to see the shockwave, assuming  the destroy bad ending, he would have to be in orbit of Earth possible already disengaged from the fight, because if you are in the middle of a ship fight you're not going to nessacarily notice the massive wave of color heading towards you as youd be more focused on the thing trying to directly kill you. 

He has a ship full of sensors (not to mention EDI) and crew members operating said sensors ... plus the shockwave is big enough to be enveloping the entire system. It's a bit of a stretch to say he "wouldn't notice". And he wouldn't have to be in orbit, either.

[The Razman]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

The plothole is why the hell the normandy is there in the first place.

We were winning the battle.

Again, if you'd been reading anything up to this point ... Normandy's there because of the big. Frickin'. Shockwave.

And in what way were we winning that battle?

[nevar00]

Blackmind1 wrote...

Heavenly_King wrote...

"it is a complex ending" it is apparently so complex that is has no sense AT ALL!!

Exactly. Just because you can't make sense of it, doesn't mean it isn't complex. I think you need to get over this game and move on. It's clear the series isn't for you anymore.

I'm sure you can live life without your precious Bioware, no?

Your persistent arrogance and obnoxious elitism is not impressing anyone.  You seem easily impressed however if you think a cliched ending filled with plot holes and a dues ex machina is "deep and artsy" just because it's "gritty" and "edgy".  Woah.  You must be easily impressed.

Wow! Praise from Ceaser.

Even though FOX News has its problems,
MSNBC is one of the most bigoted, anti-religious, anti-constitutional,
and Democrat buttocks loving news networks to ever exist. Regardless
about what side they take, MSNBC's support is equivalent to getting an
endorsement from Satan.

Oh dear.  Now this is just embarrassing.  

Modifié par nevar00, 25 mars 2012 - 09:07 .

[Icinix]

The Razman wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

The plothole is why the hell the normandy is there in the first place.

We were winning the battle.

Again, if you'd been reading anything up to this point ... Normandy's there because of the big. Frickin'. Shockwave.

And in what way were we winning that battle?

The shockwave doesn't harm undefended soldiers on Earth - why the hell would it harm exclusively the Normandy?

[Hunter of Legends]

The Razman wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

The plothole is why the hell the normandy is there in the first place.

We were winning the battle.

Again, if you'd been reading anything up to this point ... Normandy's there because of the big. Frickin'. Shockwave.

And in what way were we winning that battle?

There is no possible way for the Normady to outrun that shockwave.

It couldn't outrun it WHILE GOING THROUGH A RELAY.

We had deployed the superweapon that kills them.


Finally, the shockwave is ZERO reason to run. It didn't destroy anything and didn't harm anything except for the worst ending.




Did you even play the game?

Modifié par Hunter of Legends, 25 mars 2012 - 09:06 .

[The Razman]

Icinix wrote...

Also - if the relays DON'T asplode and destroy systems like in Arrival, while the hell is the Normandy running if the wave of energy doens't even hurt undefended soldiers on Earth? The only time the Normandy running makes sense is a low EMS destroy ending.

How is Joker supposed to know that? Now that would be a plothole.

Again ... if a big shockwave comes at you, can anybody give a plausible explanation for why you wouldn't run?

[Hunter of Legends]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

The Razman wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

The plothole is why the hell the normandy is there in the first place.

We were winning the battle.

Again, if you'd been reading anything up to this point ... Normandy's there because of the big. Frickin'. Shockwave.

And in what way were we winning that battle?

There is no possible way for the Normady to outrun that shockwave.

It couldn't outrun it WHILE GOING THROUGH A RELAY.

We had deployed the superweapon that kills them.

Finally, the shockwave is ZERO reason to run. It didn't destroy anything and didn't harm anything except for the worst ending.






Did you even play the game?

[Hunter of Legends]

The Razman wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Also - if the relays DON'T asplode and destroy systems like in Arrival, while the hell is the Normandy running if the wave of energy doens't even hurt undefended soldiers on Earth? The only time the Normandy running makes sense is a low EMS destroy ending.

How is Joker supposed to know that? Now that would be a plothole.

Again ... if a big shockwave comes at you, can anybody give a plausible explanation for why you wouldn't run?

Why didn't any other ships run away then?


Just stop trying to defend a blatant and obvious plot holes please.

Modifié par Hunter of Legends, 25 mars 2012 - 09:07 .

[The Razman]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

The Razman wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

The plothole is why the hell the normandy is there in the first place.

We were winning the battle.

Again, if you'd been reading anything up to this point ... Normandy's there because of the big. Frickin'. Shockwave.

And in what way were we winning that battle?

There is no possible way for the Normady to outrun that shockwave.

It couldn't outrun it WHILE GOING THROUGH A RELAY.

We had deployed the superweapon that kills them.






Did you even play the game?

... we were talking about the exact same thing on the VERY PREVIOUS PAGE?

The Razman wrote...

Sequence of events:

1. Sheperd sets off the shockwave.
2. Shockwave travels outward from the Citadel quite slowly, enveloping Earth and all the Reapers.
3. Citadel then explodes sending out its high-speed beam.
4. Beam hits mass relay, which sends it out over whole network.

Yes. The Normandy can outrun the initial shockwave quite easily. It's the one which is targeted at the mass relays which he can't outrun.

Did you even read the thread?