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[Sailears]

jotun04 wrote...

My problem with the Phantom is that she's so damn inconsistent.

Have stasis? Easy kill. Otherwise, huge pain in the ass.

Have a vanguard? Easy kill 9 times out of 10. 1 out of 10, dead vanguard. Completely random.

I really hate how completely illogical the phantom (and banshee's moreso) instakill is. No way to predict, complete luck (or bad luck), and a pain in the backside.

[RazRei]

GodlessPaladin wrote...
Phantoms aren't that hard and hell, if it weren't for them, Cerberus would be even more toothless than it already is.  Instead of coming onto the forums to pine for a nerf for every enemy you don't understand how to fight effectively, perhaps you should reexamine your tactics.

She's thee hardest mob to kill in this game in my experince and with the most annoying award going to the sentry turrets that Cerberus puts up also.

[GGW KillerTiger]

enormousmoonboots wrote...

-Reduce gun damage

They don't have a gun. They're like Iron Man and have hand cannaons in their palm. Except due to this being Mass Effect something tells me the thing in the palm of her hand is just something to concentrate her biotic powers into a focused beam type attack through her palm.

Still needs to do less damage.

[Creston918]

I agree the gun damage of a phantom is retarded. It does similar damage to my Mattock X, and it's a frigging pistol/whatever she's holding like it's Harry Potter's wand. Yet, she'll happily kill you with it from half a level away, and it's two shots and you're dead.

Other than that, though, I don't have that many issues with them. I am FAR more annoyed at the Banshee's "You're twenty feet away from me, yet I will suck you towards me and insta-kill you."

Now THAT is bullpoo.

Modifié par Creston918, 31 mars 2012 - 09:12 .

[GGW KillerTiger]

Tony208 wrote...

Stasis -> Widow -> Dead

Stasis doesn't always work on them due to the biotic protection bubble they can create (on gold they create it alot).

[Sidney]

Phantoms are insanely weak if you have stasis - I jave never seen it fail on Bronze/silver - and they are wildly vulnerable to overload. Overload knocks down the barrier so any power can hit them but I keep using it because she can't dodge it and it stuns her.

Phantoms are nothing compared to the banshees and geth primes as top end baddies.

[Mr Arg]

Really? Phantoms? Fight a Banshee, witness how terrifying they are, then see how not OP a phantom is. Heck, you don't even need stasis or energy drain.

Modifié par Mr Arg, 31 mars 2012 - 09:21 .

[RazRei]

Creston918 wrote...

I agree the gun damage of a phantom is retarded. It does similar damage to my Mattock X, and it's a frigging pistol/whatever she's holding like it's Harry Potter's wand. Yet, she'll happily kill you with it from half a level away, and it's two shots and you're dead.

Atleast in that world it had to be in melee range to do anything.

Mr Arg wrote...

Really? Phantoms? Fight a Banshee, witness
how terrifying they are, then see how not OP a phantom is. Heck, you
don't even need stasis or energy drain.

Banshee's are pretty damn weak just like the phantom if you have Biotics on your side...but they can't cloak, they can't dodge/roll, take cover, they scream louder than a girl riding a sybian, attack animation is very predictable, and you can SEE and dodge the warp easily.

Modifié par RazRei, 31 mars 2012 - 09:44 .

[Yosuke]

Phantoms aren't too bad if you aren't a pure sniper, imo. Auto-aim abilities, especially those that stagger or stun, shotguns, stasis, etc. can all dispose of phantoms pretty quickly. Most of the time banshees are more of a threat simply because they flush you out of cover and are slower to take down.

Also, it always seemed like the Iron Man hand-beam thingy to me.

Modifié par Yosuke, 31 mars 2012 - 09:45 .

[Craigolas]

If you team up in multiplayer properly... you can take down a phantom quick and fast. It gets hectic when the players are not cooperating and suits you find if you die for being a selfish player.

[acrb101]

Phantoms are simple if you focus fire.

Overload + Stasis/Pull = dead

[realgundam]

Phantoms = Cerberus's Benchee

[Aerius]

Phantoms are the only thing that actually make cerberus a bit hard. Everything else is easy, even on gold.
No, I'm definitely against phantoms. And yes, they kill me quite often.

[wolfstanus]

2 biotic explosions. Oh look it's dead.


Teamwork.. Oh look it's dead.

Teamwork with biotic explosions... What phantom?

Keep in mind biotics have to have proper specs.

[OniAngel]

Lots of posters going on about saying just use stasis. Well dang you all make it sound like everyone has stasis. Moving on it feels like the phantom hand cannon got an accuracy buff from the demo in my personal experience. Most of the times the cannon would just hit me if I had my shield up and often miss if it was down. It would be nice to see a nerf to the accuracy or frequency of use of the hand cannon. Phantoms shouldnt be better shots than Nemesis.

[wolfstanus]

Should always have a shooter, biotic, infiltrator, or a sentinel/engineer or another another. Biotic.

Shooter can be soldier/sentinel/engineer.

Shooter is to draw Agro take hits and in general distract and help keep sheild/barriers down. Solder can do crowd controle too.

Biotics stay back from the fighting taking the lightest of weapons to keep cool downs as Los as possible and doing massive amounts of damage.

Infiltrators heal get objectives and deal damage when they can.

You don't need stasis but it helps a little. And don't forget to invest in some sheilds and health.

[robarcool]

Atheosis wrote...



Actually they could tweak how easily they are lured in by a decoy, and how long they just stand there attacking it like retards.  And outside of the Decoy exploit, and the grab exploit, Geth are arguably the toughest faction.

Probably shows that synthetic life is still not as intelligent lol!

[Sidney]

OniAngel wrote...

Lots of posters going on about saying just use stasis. Well dang you all make it sound like everyone has stasis. Moving on it feels like the phantom hand cannon got an accuracy buff from the demo in my personal experience. Most of the times the cannon would just hit me if I had my shield up and often miss if it was down. It would be nice to see a nerf to the accuracy or frequency of use of the hand cannon. Phantoms shouldnt be better shots than Nemesis.

Stasis is the best option but like I said Overload is also a killer vs the Phantom and a generally overlooked power to use even not vs shields.

[aimlessgun]

wolfstanus wrote...

2 biotic explosions. Oh look it's dead.

It's actually really hard to land biotic explosions on Phantoms tbh. 

But there are many ways to deal with them:
-Stasis
-Decoy
-Human Vanguard
-Valiant or Black Widow Infiltrator (a decent one at least)
-Shotgun infiltrator
-Overload/Energy Drain spam
-Turian soldier I've found locks them down pretty well

I recently figured out a decent way to handle them 1v1 on my SHuman entinel also, spam throw at them on that short cooldown, it forces them into their "defense" crouch and they stop shooting your face off, and then just shoot them while they're there. 

[Aranha]

"Stasis and Energy Drain counters it"

Another sad truth about how badly balanced gold is and how Asari and Salarians are dominant!

Just nerf that gun... They snipe better than nemesis!

[JohnDoe]

enormousmoonboots wrote...

Given how common they are, Phantoms are just...cheap. The speed and flipping, the at-will invisibility that makes half your attacks miss her completely, the instakill that triggers if you try to revive near her, the obscene damage output (powerful ranged attack, powerful melee attack, and instakill)...fighting them isn't even fun on higher difficulties, when there are five coming from every direction. So, maybe...

-Change it so her instakill doesn't trigger if you get revived near her
-Reduce movement speed
-Reduce gun damage
-Make her work like Hunters, where she can't cloak if she has no Barriers

Any one of these would make my blood pressure drop fifty points. Anybody else agree?

thats because you dont know how to fight them.

engineers with the proper tool, can make the phantoms die in seconds..
same with a good infiltrator..
boom headshot!.. they're gone woohoo!.


Also I wouldnt blame the game if you have serious tunnel view syndrome to dont see when enemies cloack right infront of you.

Aranha wrote...

"Stasis and Energy Drain counters it"

Another sad truth about how badly balanced gold is and how Asari and Salarians are dominant!

Just nerf that gun... They snipe better than nemesis!

dont be silly, each character as its function...
engineers are mostly destroyers of barriers and shields.. and distractors (decoys and drones)

soldiers and sentinels are mixed bullet sponges to get the brunt..
also thinking "asari  and salarians are a sure recipe for sucess" is a retarded thing, it all depends on skill.
hence why the vanguard hate on bad players.. a bad asari.. = few biotic comos.. few biotics combos = very low damage, thus they die.

Modifié par JohnDoe, 31 mars 2012 - 11:01 .

[Erixxxx]

Keep her the way she is. While she's annoying as hell, she's fairly easy as long as people know what to do. It's all about coordination (or someone using Stasis).

[SunFlowrSamurai]

Easily my favorite enemy please don't change them.

[Lmaoboat]

I don't mind phantom's damage, I think it's the fact that they're one of the hardest enemies to hit in the game, but are so durable that makes them hard.

[Si-Shen]

I find phantoms a good addition to Cerberus concidering that over all I find fighting Cerberus easy, just know your tactics.