Jacobcus wrote...
I believe everyone here that believe's in IT is suffering from stage 3.
This guy on the other hand, can't form a remotely articulate thought without breaking a sweat.
Admit it, It's not really a theory anymore is it.
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#276
Posté 26 mars 2012 - 12:31
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This guy on the other hand, can't form a remotely articulate thought without breaking a sweat.
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Posté 26 mars 2012 - 12:34
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kaisterbahn wrote...
Jacobcus wrote...
I believe everyone here that believe's in IT is suffering from stage 3.
This guy on the other hand, can't form a remotely articulate thought without breaking a sweat.
This is you, this is how you are acting right now.
I have already put facts and quotes into this thread that disprove your IT. But you are ignorant just like the others who keep believing in something that has been proven wrong.
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Posté 26 mars 2012 - 12:35
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You've done nothing. If you weren't a complete idiot, you'd realize this. But you are, so you don't. You aren't an intelligent person, so stop trying to act like it. It's ugly and unbecoming.
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#280
Posté 26 mars 2012 - 12:35
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I don't necessarily disagree with those who believe Indoctrination theory is true - I don't care too much either way, though I do find most of the arguments in favor of it compelling. What I do have a problem with is people who think Indoctrination theory automatically makes the ending good (and I've even heard some say that Indoc theory is the best ending to a fictional work ever).
I'll admit that the indoctrination theory ending is a lot better than the literal ending that most people are raging at, but it's still not a good ending, and it suffers from a lot of the same problems as the "real" ending - it just has fewer plotholes. It still feels incomplete and it still throws your choices out the window, since it reduces the ending from "three identical choices" to "three identical choices, but only one of them is good". In a sense, it compounds the issue of lack of variety in the endings by only giving you a single "correct" ending and making the other two variations even more arbitrary.
In short, Shepard being indoctrinated is a very very interesting plot point idea. The problem is that it would only fit as a jumping-off point for further ideas and plot developments, not as an ending - it fails to answer many of the questions that came up before the finale - Earth is still in perril, the Reapers are still running amock, and Shepard's unconscious on Earth. All that indoctrination theory manages to succeed in is mitigating some of the flaws of a much worse ending.
I'll admit that the indoctrination theory ending is a lot better than the literal ending that most people are raging at, but it's still not a good ending, and it suffers from a lot of the same problems as the "real" ending - it just has fewer plotholes. It still feels incomplete and it still throws your choices out the window, since it reduces the ending from "three identical choices" to "three identical choices, but only one of them is good". In a sense, it compounds the issue of lack of variety in the endings by only giving you a single "correct" ending and making the other two variations even more arbitrary.
In short, Shepard being indoctrinated is a very very interesting plot point idea. The problem is that it would only fit as a jumping-off point for further ideas and plot developments, not as an ending - it fails to answer many of the questions that came up before the finale - Earth is still in perril, the Reapers are still running amock, and Shepard's unconscious on Earth. All that indoctrination theory manages to succeed in is mitigating some of the flaws of a much worse ending.
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#281
Posté 26 mars 2012 - 12:36
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You can't really "disprove" anything until an official statement comes out saying it's not true.
Because the only real truth is the one the writers made for the story. The rest are just ideas, hopes, even speculation.
Because the only real truth is the one the writers made for the story. The rest are just ideas, hopes, even speculation.
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Posté 26 mars 2012 - 12:37
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Arguing about this isn't going to serve anything.
I, for one, REALLY wish that BioWare would break their whole wall of silence thing and actually confirm or deny IT.
I, for one, REALLY wish that BioWare would break their whole wall of silence thing and actually confirm or deny IT.
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Posté 26 mars 2012 - 12:37
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Still even if it's real, Bioware still needs to come up with a decent ending. I've lost faith that this can be done.
Also I paid $60 plus $10 for launch day DLC for a game without a real ending! Not cool.
Also I paid $60 plus $10 for launch day DLC for a game without a real ending! Not cool.
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Posté 26 mars 2012 - 12:38
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firebreather19 wrote...
Donnie Darko effect.
#285
Posté 26 mars 2012 - 12:39
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I just love people who join a thread without reading the previous posts.Try not to act like a child, I have posted quotes by Casey and other Bioware employee's disproving your theory. Their is no IT, stop being so childish and reading between lines that don't exist, their has been an official statement where Bioware states this is the ending they wanted.kaisterbahn wrote...
You've done nothing. If you weren't a complete idiot, you'd realize this. But you are, so you don't. You aren't an intelligent person, so stop trying to act like it. It's ugly and unbecoming.
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Posté 26 mars 2012 - 12:41
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MikeRoz wrote...
Arguing about this isn't going to serve anything.
I, for one, REALLY wish that BioWare would break their whole wall of silence thing and actually confirm or deny IT.
me as well. Hell at this point just a confirmation that they will in fact make a confirmation statement, will be enough for me at this point. I want Biowares explaination. In plain terms.
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Posté 26 mars 2012 - 12:42
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And really one of the biggest problems with the Indoctrination theory? It all hinges on one question. "Why would Shepard's radio still work after being hit?" directly from the "IT video" on YouTube. Its things like that throughout the theory that makes it a bunch of subjective thoughts rather then "proven".
Because what if his radio was working? And he really did talk to hacket?
Because what if his radio was working? And he really did talk to hacket?
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Posté 26 mars 2012 - 12:44
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I really don't feel like it's "over." Pieces are missing, for example why the dreams? the random suggestions of indoctrination? having the child not seen by anyone else?
All the time and effort they put into ME1 and ME2, and then to just, what "give up" on ME3? Highly unlikely, if anything they'd see this as their masterpiece and would want it to go out with a bang.
I think if BW is to blame for anything, it's trying to make an ending a little too heavy in symbolism and interpretation. And it was, definitely. It brought some fantastic questions to the table and painted an amazing portrait of a hero burdened with so many deaths, so much work, and the future of all organic and synthetic life in his/her hands. It's not insane to consider he'd been implanted with Reaper tech and that he's been slowly indoctrinated from the get-go. It's also not insane to think that's a bit of a stretch. Both sides have good points.
Just chill and wait for clarification. Either way, I know my Shepard's story. Do you?
All the time and effort they put into ME1 and ME2, and then to just, what "give up" on ME3? Highly unlikely, if anything they'd see this as their masterpiece and would want it to go out with a bang.
I think if BW is to blame for anything, it's trying to make an ending a little too heavy in symbolism and interpretation. And it was, definitely. It brought some fantastic questions to the table and painted an amazing portrait of a hero burdened with so many deaths, so much work, and the future of all organic and synthetic life in his/her hands. It's not insane to consider he'd been implanted with Reaper tech and that he's been slowly indoctrinated from the get-go. It's also not insane to think that's a bit of a stretch. Both sides have good points.
Just chill and wait for clarification. Either way, I know my Shepard's story. Do you?
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Posté 26 mars 2012 - 12:45
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Taboo-XX wrote...
firebreather19 wrote...
Donnie Darko effect.
I know, right. Maybe he was a superhero with time dimensional powers.
Maybe he just had a crazy dream and got squashed by a jet engine.
Who knows these things.
#290
Posté 26 mars 2012 - 12:45
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Jacobcus wrote...
I just love people who join a thread without reading the previous posts.Try not to act like a child, I have posted quotes by Casey and other Bioware employee's disproving your theory. Their is no IT, stop being so childish and reading between lines that don't exist, their has been an official statement where Bioware states this is the ending they wanted.kaisterbahn wrote...
You've done nothing. If you weren't a complete idiot, you'd realize this. But you are, so you don't. You aren't an intelligent person, so stop trying to act like it. It's ugly and unbecoming.
You've posted quoted that you've interpreted. Seeing as you're pretty dumb, it doesn't mean anything.
We can argue about this all you like, but you won't win, because as you've already shown yourself to be, you aren't bvery bright.
#291
Posté 26 mars 2012 - 12:48
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Burden of proof has and will always lie with those in the affirmative position, regardless of how much evidence may lend itself to the theory it can all be torn down with arguments equating to laziness(bad writing, asset reuse, etc.) There is simply no proof, undeniable, immovably strong proof.DangerDavidson wrote...
Megachaz wrote...
You're right. It's not a theory because it's been proven false.
Not even once has it been PROVEN false....
Just because it has not been explicitly stated as false does not mean it has implicitly been proven as true.
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Posté 26 mars 2012 - 12:50
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I've got a fun question. Who donates to a charity expecting them to take your money and, instead of applying it to the original cause of children in hospitals, funnel it into some group to...what did they expect exactly? A gigantic bribe to get Bioware to make new endings? Fan-made endings? Really makes you question the logic behind some folks actions.
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Posté 26 mars 2012 - 12:51
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I thought this was funny, so I thought I would share it
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#294
Posté 26 mars 2012 - 12:53
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This is OP and his view on BioWare & the ****ty ending.
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#295
Posté 26 mars 2012 - 12:55
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To address the topic at hand. I will not admit it is more than a theory because that is all it is. The fact the indoctrination theory has a leg to stand on is the entire reason it is given the term "Theory" instead of "Conspiracy Theory" or "Speculation".
Some of the most fundamental theories of mathematics are still just theories because even though evidence might suggest something being true it is often impossible to prove something without a doubt.
It will not stop being a theory until April. In April it will either become "Completely wrong" or "Fact".
Until April, I shall be saying the same thing I've been saying about the Indoctrination Theory to begin with. If that WAS the original intent...it was implemented poorly and is screwing over a portion of the fanbase that doesn't have access to DLC. If it WAS the original intent it still leaves plot holes and problems unresolved that speak to sloppy development. If it WAS the original intent then I am even more disappointed. But I'll be damned if anyone tells me I just "don't get it".
But alas, I am but one in a sea of many.
Some of the most fundamental theories of mathematics are still just theories because even though evidence might suggest something being true it is often impossible to prove something without a doubt.
It will not stop being a theory until April. In April it will either become "Completely wrong" or "Fact".
Until April, I shall be saying the same thing I've been saying about the Indoctrination Theory to begin with. If that WAS the original intent...it was implemented poorly and is screwing over a portion of the fanbase that doesn't have access to DLC. If it WAS the original intent it still leaves plot holes and problems unresolved that speak to sloppy development. If it WAS the original intent then I am even more disappointed. But I'll be damned if anyone tells me I just "don't get it".
But alas, I am but one in a sea of many.
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#296
Posté 26 mars 2012 - 12:59
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That is great...FemmeShep wrote...
This is OP and his view on BioWare & the ****ty ending.
#297
Posté 26 mars 2012 - 01:00
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I personally do not believe in the IT, because their are to many cold hard facts against it. This is a good image to represent both sides of the group though.
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Posté 26 mars 2012 - 01:03
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firebreather19 wrote...
You can't really "disprove" anything until an official statement comes out saying it's not true.
Because the only real truth is the one the writers made for the story. The rest are just ideas, hopes, even speculation.
Sorry but they have little credibility with me.All that hype that came out before launch and turned out to be bogus.No thanks.Will they try to apply some CYA to some DLC.Good chance of it.As far as what I can do is up to me.Just because people post their opinions doesn't make it true.
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Posté 26 mars 2012 - 01:06
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FemmeShep wrote...
This is OP and his view on BioWare & the ****ty ending.
That was good.
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Posté 26 mars 2012 - 01:06
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I'm pretty certain there are a couple of papers and quotes where Bioware was going to end the game with indoctrination or the possible indoctrination of Shepard but "cut" it because they couldn't figure out the game mechanics right.
Which means the entirety of the game had hints to back this ending choice up. Sadly, if the current ending ISNT an indoctrination attempt by Harbinger, Bioware wasn't able to edit the rest of the story to remove these subtle hints.
I honestly think the LIE is "we cut the indoctrination ending."
Which means the entirety of the game had hints to back this ending choice up. Sadly, if the current ending ISNT an indoctrination attempt by Harbinger, Bioware wasn't able to edit the rest of the story to remove these subtle hints.
I honestly think the LIE is "we cut the indoctrination ending."
