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[Jacobcus]

FemmeShep wrote...

OP is a troll guys, hasn't anyone realized this yet.

*exits thread*

I did not realize the Dark Fairies had returned, has it been 50,000 years already 
ಠ_ಠ!?

[DangerDavidson]

KingDan97 wrote...

That's not protesting, that's one of the three choices you are presented with. Again, you clearly have no comprehension of the arguements of the indoctrination theory because the entire idea is that you never get to ask the god child any questions on the three choices he presents you with.

You also read very heavily into a game mechanic, this was something that the writers had no input on the implementation of any more than they had input on the gun damage or weapon mods.

Sorry thats a steep assumption that the writers had no input of the ENDING SCENE OF THE SERIES. Nonsense, sorry. I think that you do not understand IT, not I, madam/sir. IT has nothing to do with the semantics of the choices/questions/whatever the fu@k. IT deals with the fact that the entire ending was a distraction from reality, and that the option presented as negative (DESTROY, because you KILL THE GETH AND ANY BILOGICAL FORMS WITH SYNTHETIC COMPONENTS) is presented as negative to lure you into the falsity of your salvation.

[KingDan97]

http://www.youtube.c...7SeawU4#t=4m11s

Basically the 5 seconds following the timestamp is where my response to anyone still buying into the indoctrination hypothesis lies.

[Dreogan]

DangerDavidson wrote...

Dreogan wrote...

DangerDavidson wrote...

Dreogan wrote...

Welcome to the Holy Church of Indoctrination. Please leave reason at the door, take a seat in the pew of apophenia, and listen to this day's sermon on confirmation bias.

Oh god, its people like you again. No confirmation bias here thank you!

I'd say I'll sit back and watch the house of cards tumble with a twinge of schadenfreude once Bioware does fix their ending-- but I highly doubt even a flat denial from the Good Storytellers would cause the Church to discard its doctrine.

Absolutely it would! Clearly when they release an official addendum I will react either one way ( I KNEW IT, **** YEAH) or the other, (OH...OK?? I GUESS.....).
After this point any and all speculation will become useless and redundant. Until then, lets debate : )! 

So if we are speculating now, what is the point of your thread? There's no reason to claim indoctrination is a law until validated by Bioware's choice in the ending fix.

[Heather Cline]

I can't agree that Indoctrination Theory is correct. Not until there is actual proof to back it up it's still a theory.

[DangerDavidson]

KingDan97 wrote...

http://www.youtube.c...7SeawU4#t=4m11s

Basically the 5 seconds following the timestamp is where my response to anyone still buying into the indoctrination hypothesis lies.

That guy sounds like most of the opponents of IT: emotionally distressed and vulnerable!! He didn't get his alien sex fantasy : (, so he is projecting his rage to society!!!

[Jacobcus]

 

I still don't understand Bioware's logic.

[Holding5Aces]

DangerDavidson wrote...

Holding5Aces wrote...


Or it's a cheap excuse for you to play multiplayer and get your readiness higher, so you get a 5 second clip of a banged up Shepard taking a breath.

Hmmm. Maybe, but I'm wondering what the tease would be about if there is no follow up content?

The Shepard tease is created for you to let your imagination take flight.  A sort of "Shepard surviving scenario"  for die-hard fans who can't cope with the loss and need some straws to grasp.

This was an intentionally vague ending that was executed very poorly.  Everyone was on the hook, all BW had to do was reel us in.  

[DangerDavidson]

Dreogan wrote...

So if we are speculating now, what is the point of your thread? There's no reason to claim indoctrination is a law until validated by Bioware's choice in the ending fix.

I'd say the speculation now should be directed to why they did what they did, (give us an incomplete indoctrination ending) rather than what they did, as it is quite obvious.

[DangerDavidson]

I do agree, that more informations should have been presented by bioware, maybe even in-game so that people with less reasoning skills could know what's going on. LIke maybe past the Breath Scene, "HEY, nice Job! Sorry that we couldn't finish the ending on time, but its coming! Stay tuned!!!"

Actually, no I don't, I liked the surprise of the revelation.

Modifié par DangerDavidson, 26 mars 2012 - 02:51 .

[Dreogan]

DangerDavidson wrote...

Dreogan wrote...

So if we are speculating now, what is the point of your thread? There's no reason to claim indoctrination is a law until validated by Bioware's choice in the ending fix.

I'd say the speculation now should be directed to why they did what they did, (give us an incomplete indoctrination ending) rather than what they did, as it is quite obvious.

No. Just simply-- no. The plot (as in the actual plot, not little things strewn about on the outside of the plot), as currently written, does not allow that. 

[KingDan97]

DangerDavidson wrote...

KingDan97 wrote...

That's not protesting, that's one of the three choices you are presented with. Again, you clearly have no comprehension of the arguements of the indoctrination theory because the entire idea is that you never get to ask the god child any questions on the three choices he presents you with.

You also read very heavily into a game mechanic, this was something that the writers had no input on the implementation of any more than they had input on the gun damage or weapon mods.

Sorry thats a steep assumption that the writers had no input of the ENDING SCENE OF THE SERIES. Nonsense, sorry. I think that you do not understand IT, not I, madam/sir. IT has nothing to do with the semantics of the choices/questions/whatever the fu@k. IT deals with the fact that the entire ending was a distraction from reality, and that the option presented as negative (DESTROY, because you KILL THE GETH AND ANY BILOGICAL FORMS WITH SYNTHETIC COMPONENTS) is presented as negative to lure you into the falsity of your salvation.

You very clearly have no idea how game development works, and I'm frankly done debating this to someone too blind to realize that everyone is saying you are wrong who would know, and you still won't buy it.

If you wake up tomorrow with Casey Hudson sitting at the end of your bed and telling you flat out that Indoctrination Theory was wrong before waking you up you'd have thought it was just a bad trip, even if you weren't on drugs at the time and there was no evidence that you were you're pretty clearly just latching onto this last bastion of foolish hope that has already been disproven.

Do what you like, I'm outtie.

[Jacobcus]

 I have a better idea then them adding Ending DLC....

[Turtlicious]

blackangel209 wrote...

This might be the most confusing, disjointed post I've ever read in reference to anything...

And that includes my time on 4chan.

that's mean to any channer's.

[Dreogan]

Turtlicious wrote...

blackangel209 wrote...

This might be the most confusing, disjointed post I've ever read in reference to anything...

And that includes my time on 4chan.

that's mean to any channer's.

I wonder how many picohitlers this thread is worth?

[DangerDavidson]

KingDan97 wrote...

You very clearly have no idea how game development works, and I'm frankly done debating this to someone too blind to realize that everyone is saying you are wrong who would know, and you still won't buy it.

If you wake up tomorrow with Casey Hudson sitting at the end of your bed and telling you flat out that Indoctrination Theory was wrong before waking you up you'd have thought it was just a bad trip, even if you weren't on drugs at the time and there was no evidence that you were you're pretty clearly just latching onto this last bastion of foolish hope that has already been disproven.

Do what you like, I'm outtie.

Yes, as someone with experience writing CUDA kernels, multi-threaded, distributed applications in C++/Python/Java in Windows/Linux with multitudes of toolchains, API's and a background in algorithmic theory , I have NO IDEA HOW GAME/SOFTWARE development works.

Let me go back to school for you, so I can get a better understanding.

[N-Seven]

DangerDavidson wrote...

KingDan97 wrote...

That's not protesting, that's one of the three choices you are presented with. Again, you clearly have no comprehension of the arguements of the indoctrination theory because the entire idea is that you never get to ask the god child any questions on the three choices he presents you with.

You also read very heavily into a game mechanic, this was something that the writers had no input on the implementation of any more than they had input on the gun damage or weapon mods.

Sorry thats a steep assumption that the writers had no input of the ENDING SCENE OF THE SERIES. Nonsense, sorry. I think that you do not understand IT, not I, madam/sir. IT has nothing to do with the semantics of the choices/questions/whatever the fu@k. IT deals with the fact that the entire ending was a distraction from reality, and that the option presented as negative (DESTROY, because you KILL THE GETH AND ANY BILOGICAL FORMS WITH SYNTHETIC COMPONENTS) is presented as negative to lure you into the falsity of your salvation.

Of course destroy is fine if your Shep happens to not care about the Geth and let the Quarians destroy them.  Like in this ME3 scene here.  And what if in your conversations you never take EDI's side?   It' always been possible to be the 'Renegade' Shepard which doesn't value synthetic life that much.



So in which case, it's not a negative.  Another strike against IT.

Modifié par N-Seven, 26 mars 2012 - 03:01 .

[Holding5Aces]

DangerDavidson wrote...

I do agree, that more informations should have been presented by bioware, maybe even in-game so that people with less reasoning skills could know what's going on. LIke maybe past the Breath Scene, "HEY, nice Job! Sorry that we couldn't finish the ending on time, but its coming! Stay tuned!!!"

Actually, no I don't, I liked the surprise of the revelation.

When did reasoning skills play a part in the mass effect series?

ME1?
ME2?

When did this series become something it wasn't?  Something subtle, to be enjoyed by those with perceived adequate reasoning skills?

[Dreogan]

DangerDavidson wrote...

KingDan97 wrote...

You very clearly have no idea how game development works, and I'm frankly done debating this to someone too blind to realize that everyone is saying you are wrong who would know, and you still won't buy it.

If you wake up tomorrow with Casey Hudson sitting at the end of your bed and telling you flat out that Indoctrination Theory was wrong before waking you up you'd have thought it was just a bad trip, even if you weren't on drugs at the time and there was no evidence that you were you're pretty clearly just latching onto this last bastion of foolish hope that has already been disproven.

Do what you like, I'm outtie.

Yes, as someone with experience writing CUDA kernels, multi-threaded, distributed applications in C++/Python/Java in Windows/Linux with multitudes of toolchains, API's and a background in algorithmic theory , I have NO IDEA HOW GAME/SOFTWARE development works.

Let me go back to school for you, so I can get a better understanding.

This person is the very avatar of humility.

Please understand-- if you need to attack the intelligence of Bioware's audience for the trilogy, your position has been weakened. If the ending is written "above" the trilogy's audience (which is mass-market), Bioware's storytelling has failed.

This failure in storytelling, in itself, is enough to invalidate the ending. There's simply no reason to theorize if no valid ending exists. Indoctrination does not patch Bioware's catastrophic failure.

Modifié par Dreogan, 26 mars 2012 - 03:05 .

[DangerDavidson]

N-Seven wrote...

Of course destroy is fine if your Shep happens to not care about the Geth and let the Quarians destroy them.  Like in this ME3 scene here.  And what if in your conversations you never take EDI's side?   It' always been possible to be the 'Renegade' Shepard which doesn't value synthetic life that much.



So in which case, it's not a negative.  Another strike against IT.

You realize that in the context of IT, picking Destroy does not really mean you think you are killing Geth. It means you are picking the least favourable choice as PRESENTED TO YOU, to break out of the mind-fu@k. 

Soemone said something like this before:

Since the onset of ME2, the entire objective of the series is to DESTROY the reapers. That is your objective as Shepard for every second of the last two games, destroy them so they don't destroy you. The very fact that that option is all of a sudden a controversial topic in the mind of shepard signals that some questionable paradigm shift has occured in his/her mind. Why would that happen? One explanation is IT.
 

[AwesomeDudex64]

Still a theory. Better than what we have now, but still a theory.

[DangerDavidson]

Dreogan wrote...

This person is the very avatar of humility.

Please understand-- if you need to attack the intelligence of Bioware's audience for the trilogy, your position has been weakened. If the ending is written "above" the trilogy's audience (which is mass-market), Bioware's storytelling has failed.

This failure in storytelling, in itself, is enough to invalidate the ending. There's simply no reason to theorize if no ending exists.

I was never attacking people's intelligance in general. I was attacking the intelligence of that poster that presented the argument that I was not competent to comment on video game development. That is the only person that rebuke was meant for, and I think it was directed at them quite concretely. 

Modifié par DangerDavidson, 26 mars 2012 - 03:07 .

[Jacobcus]

Well either way, we can all agree, Mass Effect 3's ending had a MASS effect on our lives, am ar right :Ð!?

[DangerDavidson]

Jacobcus wrote...

Well either way, we can all agree, Mass Effect 3's ending had a MASS effect on our lives, am ar right :Ð!?

Wouldn't go that far. It was certainly interesting

[Jacobcus]

DangerDavidson wrote...

Jacobcus wrote...

Well either way, we can all agree, Mass Effect 3's ending had a MASS effect on our lives, am ar right :Ð!?

Wouldn't go that far. It was certainly interesting

Lol sorry I had to, it was to funny to pass up, though I am extremely pissed at the ending lol