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[Jeno_340]

 Then pro-ending fans have to be the smallest sliver of the pie. If you know anything about sampling, you would probably believe that most consumers are not very fond of the ending. I don't know how many "hated" it but there sure as heck aren't  that many people that like it as much as the ending of 1 and 2. I can count about 10 friends/acquaintances off the top of my head that didn't use a single positive word to describe the ending and only 2 even plan on playing through it again.

Plus, the facts that the price has dropped to $40 in less than two weeks and that Amazon and Origin are offering full refunds are clear indicators that this game is not being recieved well by many consumers.

Reviewers are split on the endings but they can't give a game a low score just based on the ending. Overall, I agree with all of them that Mass Effect 3 is overall an excellent game. It is just ruined by the ending.

Tl;dr An example of a vocal minority would be those that thought that ME2 was a huge downgrade from ME1. Even then, Bioware appeased them by adding a lot more RPG elements to ME3.

Bioware, I guarantee that most people would prefer an alternate ending (The Truth DLC, Indoc, and other good theories this awesome fanbase has come up with) ending over clarification of what we currently have. Do it or suffer revenue loss in the future.

Also, in a nutshell:

UltmtBiz wrote...

Each one of us who speaks up represents a multiple number of people who don't. Bioware understands this and that is why we have gotten a number of responses from them. That is why this issue has made it to the media. There are some who try to downplay what a lot of us are saying by using the term "vocal minority", but Bioware knows that if 100,000 people speak up, then there could be a million people unhappy. That's just an example.

Modifié par Jeno_340, 26 mars 2012 - 12:40 .

[Jeno_340]

Bump

[MattFini]

^ Yep. Even casual fans I know (a person at work who bought 3, never played the first two) hated the ending. He hasn't stopped giving me a hard time about it, since I was talking ME3 up ad nausea before it came out.

Of all the people I personally know, nobody was even remotely satisfied.

One online acquaintance of mine did like it, but admittedly is a casual fan.

And while look at message boards, etc., I'm hard-pressed to find much defense of the StarChild junk.

Really, BioWare, you can just admit to making a mistake and change it. Nobody is going to mind.

[iorveth1271]

I see where this thread is going...

[Dridengx]

Jeno_340 wrote...

 Then pro-ending fans have to be the smallest sliver of the pie. If you know anything about sampling, you would probably believe that most consumers are not very fond of the ending. I don't know how many "hated" it but there sure as heck aren't  that many people that like it as much as the ending of 1 and 2. I can count about 10 friends/acquaintances off the top of my head that didn't use a single positive word to describe the ending and only 2 even plan on playing through it again.

Plus, the facts that the price has dropped to $40 in less than two weeks and that Amazon and Origin are offering full refunds are clear indicators that this game is not being recieved well by many consumers.

Reviewers are split on the endings but they can't give a game a low score just based on the ending. Overall, I agree with all of them that Mass Effect 3 is overall an excellent game. It is just ruined by the ending.

Tl;dr An example of a vocal minority would be those that thought that ME2 was a huge downgrade from ME1. Even then, Bioware appeased them by adding a lot more RPG elements to ME3.

Bioware, I guarantee that most people would prefer an Indoctrination ending over clarification of what we currently have. Do it or suffer revenue loss in the future.

Actually we do know how many hated it, 52,000. that isn't very many lol. that's right you don't know anything especially how many liked it but you can't claim people who liked it are smaller than 52k lol.

Your 10 'friends' if they even exist don't mean anything. Amazon and origin always offer refunds. Price drops always happen as well. reviewers are split? hmm 70 plus perfect scores. you can guarantee all you want you don't know anything and there is no proof your little minority out cry will do a damn thing to Bioware sales.

All the crap you are saying was the same crap people like you said about Dragon Age 2. And not only did it sell good, the dlc was decent, and the ending never changed, AND Bioware still made a lot of money on ME3. likewise will again after ME3. History is against you as is logic. research before you make dumb threads atleast

Modifié par Dridengx, 25 mars 2012 - 10:58 .

[Larryboy_Dragon]

On metacritic, despite the boo-hoo over here, ME3 is still ranked better than DA2.
For both Professional and User reviews.

http://www.metacriti...0/mass-effect-3
http://www.metacriti...0/dragon-age-ii

[Mandemon]

Aaah, "proof of unhappiness"

We have dismissed that claim.

[CrazyBirdman]

I think there a lot who hate the ending (surprise!) nut also a considerable amount of people who are just "meh" about the ending.
I am very satisfied, my brother and a friend of mine are "meh" about it but we all are not very vocal about it. So while you may are the majority (nobody knows) there will be alot of people who just do not put so much emotion in it and neither want to trash the ending nor defending it.

[ImmovableMover]

MattFini wrote...

^ Yep. Even casual fans I know (a person at work who bought 3, never played the first two) hated the ending.

Ditto, I've yet to meet anyone who has played ME3...harcore or just "Well I like the blue ladies" gamers, who have not either been enraged by the ending, or just plain confused by it.

[Carlthestrange]

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Modifié par RaenImrahl, 25 mars 2012 - 11:22 .

[TUHD]

*jawns* *notices troll in the form of Dridengx* *notices it's the same topic all over again* Nothing to see here...

[ThePrestige10]

Dridengx wrote...


Your 10 'friends' if they even exist don't mean anything. Amazon and origin always offer refunds. Price drops always happen as well. reviewers are split? hmm 70 plus perfect scores. you can guarantee all you want you don't know anything and there is no proof your little minority out cry will do a damn thing to Bioware sales.

All the crap you are saying was the same crap people like you said about Dragon Age 2. And not only did it sell good, the dlc was decent, and the ending never changed, AND Bioware still made a lot of money on ME3. likewise will again after ME3. History is against you as is logic. research before you make dumb threads atleast

I have viewed a lot of threads about this topic. And one thing always stood out: You are pretty vocal in all of those threads. And in those threads you are also the minority. Are you noticing something?

I have nothing against you. And I don't want to displease you. But I think you are actually the vocal minority here.

Modifié par ThePrestige10, 25 mars 2012 - 11:02 .

[Darthlawsuit]

Larryboy_Dragon wrote...

On metacritic, despite the boo-hoo over here, ME3 is still ranked better than DA2.
For both Professional and User reviews.

http://www.metacriti...0/mass-effect-3
http://www.metacriti...0/dragon-age-ii

A 4.8 is good? I have played games that were only 75% complete that had better ratings then that.... and they were more satisfying!

[scrapmetals]

The only thing I have to disagree about is the "adding RPG elements to ME3". There were way more RPG elements in 1 and 2 in my opinion.

[Lugaidster]

I agree with your statement up to the point on indoctrination theory. Indoc theory is quite polarizing. Many love it and many hate it, so let's not go around saying that it is their saving grace.

[Anthropophobic]

I think part of the problem with them taking the indoctrination theory thing as canon is:

1. Even if that was their intention all along, people are going to assume that it wasn't their idea, but the community's.

2. They would have to admit they screwed up, one way or another. Either they sold the game without a conclusion, or the conclusion was so terribly written that it had to be replaced.

They're going to stick to the current ending, but try to fill in the plot holes as best as they can without turning the ME universe into an inconsistent, incoherent mess. And, if these rumors about "Terminator" and "Mass Shift" are true, I think they're going to fail.

Modifié par Anthropophobic, 25 mars 2012 - 11:06 .

[Janus382]

As I've said before, any claim to minority/majority can't be made, because of sample sizes. However, you could extrapolate from the 4% rule, or the 90-9-1 rule, to get a rough idea. I'd wager users dissatisfied with the ends are the plurality though, compared to pro-enders and those indifferent.

DA2 didn't have this amount of backlash, with tons of articles about it, and being discussed on televised news. And no, it's ending wasn't changed... but ME3's is "being addressed", so that should tell you it's not the same situation.

Also, games don't generally drop in price by 30% in just two weeks.

[Lugaidster]

scrapmetals wrote...

The only thing I have to disagree about is the "adding RPG elements to ME3". There were way more RPG elements in 1 and 2 in my opinion.

In 2?! ME2 was a straight up TPS! What kind of RPG element did it had that wasn't there on ME3?

[Sequin]

The more passionate people are about something, the more likely they will be to speak out on the subject. Given the investment period of ME3, it makes sense that there would appear to be more people hating it than liking it (or even feeling so-so about it). But as time goes by, this number will even out. It's hard to maintain a high enough level of passion because outlets for that anger ease it as time goes on. That hatred, for most, will become firm displeasure. And although they might never think of ME3 fondly (even years from now), their resolve in speaking out against it will slowly, but surely fade.

But I suppose it doesn't really matter either way. The important thing is the future... and with each passing day ME3's ending is more and more a thing of the past. Something to learn from and not forget... but certainly something to move on from, too.

[MrLee95]

Dridengx wrote...

Jeno_340 wrote...

 Then pro-ending fans have to be the smallest sliver of the pie. If you know anything about sampling, you would probably believe that most consumers are not very fond of the ending. I don't know how many "hated" it but there sure as heck aren't  that many people that like it as much as the ending of 1 and 2. I can count about 10 friends/acquaintances off the top of my head that didn't use a single positive word to describe the ending and only 2 even plan on playing through it again.

Plus, the facts that the price has dropped to $40 in less than two weeks and that Amazon and Origin are offering full refunds are clear indicators that this game is not being recieved well by many consumers.

Reviewers are split on the endings but they can't give a game a low score just based on the ending. Overall, I agree with all of them that Mass Effect 3 is overall an excellent game. It is just ruined by the ending.

Tl;dr An example of a vocal minority would be those that thought that ME2 was a huge downgrade from ME1. Even then, Bioware appeased them by adding a lot more RPG elements to ME3.

Bioware, I guarantee that most people would prefer an Indoctrination ending over clarification of what we currently have. Do it or suffer revenue loss in the future.

Actually we do know how many hated it, 52,000. that isn't very many lol. that's right you don't know anything especially how many liked it but you can't claim people who liked it are smaller than 52k lol.

Your 10 'friends' if they even exist don't mean anything. Amazon and origin always offer refunds. Price drops always happen as well. reviewers are split? hmm 70 plus perfect scores. you can guarantee all you want you don't know anything and there is no proof your little minority out cry will do a damn thing to Bioware sales.

All the crap you are saying was the same crap people like you said about Dragon Age 2. And not only did it sell good, the dlc was decent, and the ending never changed, AND Bioware still made a lot of money on ME3. likewise will again after ME3. History is against you as is logic. research before you make dumb threads atleast

When you release a survey and find out that over 90% of the fan base (or whatever the poll is for) is unhappy with something, which usually means that the Majority feel the same way. That’s how polls work. If so many people did indeed like the ending then we would have a closer number like 50/50. But in ME3 case no poll even comes
close.

That’s the point of polls.

And yes Amazon.com does allow returned games. Usally IF there is something wrong physically with the disks. Amazon NEVER allows games to be returned once they are OPENED and used.

As for DragonAge2. BioWare canceled the DLC for it. What does that tell you? IF DA2 did so well they wouldn’t have canceled it and made money from it.

Modifié par MrLee95, 25 mars 2012 - 11:07 .

[DemGeth]

Sweet threads meant to dump on other fans of ME are awesome, and also prove your correctness.

[scrapmetals]

Lugaidster wrote...

scrapmetals wrote...

The only thing I have to disagree about is the "adding RPG elements to ME3". There were way more RPG elements in 1 and 2 in my opinion.

In 2?! ME2 was a straight up TPS! What kind of RPG element did it had that wasn't there on ME3?

Whoa, hold up now. For me. For me it didn't have as many RPG elements. RPG elements to me are descision making dialogue choices when it comes to console/PC games (not tabletop, that's a whole different can of worms). ME3 had less dialogue options in my opinion - so much of it was auto. In ME1 and 2, you had a hell of a lot more dialogue options that made your playing experience wildly different. I'm not hearing a lot about people having vastly different experiences with ME3, is all I'm saying.

[Clayless]

You can't make a claim either way.

[Anthropophobic]

scrapmetals wrote...

The only thing I have to disagree about is the "adding RPG elements to ME3". There were way more RPG elements in 1 and 2 in my opinion.

You'd be wrong then, because ME3 gave players much more control over customizing and specializing their characters than ME2 at the very least (and probably ME1 as well).

Having three dialogue options isn't an essential RPG element. Being able to badger squaddies when they don't have anything new to say isn't an essential RPG element either.

[Elidor109]

Dridengx wrote...

Jeno_340 wrote...

 Then pro-ending fans have to be the smallest sliver of the pie. If you know anything about sampling, you would probably believe that most consumers are not very fond of the ending. I don't know how many "hated" it but there sure as heck aren't  that many people that like it as much as the ending of 1 and 2. I can count about 10 friends/acquaintances off the top of my head that didn't use a single positive word to describe the ending and only 2 even plan on playing through it again.

Plus, the facts that the price has dropped to $40 in less than two weeks and that Amazon and Origin are offering full refunds are clear indicators that this game is not being recieved well by many consumers.

Reviewers are split on the endings but they can't give a game a low score just based on the ending. Overall, I agree with all of them that Mass Effect 3 is overall an excellent game. It is just ruined by the ending.

Tl;dr An example of a vocal minority would be those that thought that ME2 was a huge downgrade from ME1. Even then, Bioware appeased them by adding a lot more RPG elements to ME3.

Bioware, I guarantee that most people would prefer an Indoctrination ending over clarification of what we currently have. Do it or suffer revenue loss in the future.

Actually we do know how many hated it, 52,000. that isn't very many lol. that's right you don't know anything especially how many liked it but you can't claim people who liked it are smaller than 52k lol.

Your 10 'friends' if they even exist don't mean anything. Amazon and origin always offer refunds. Price drops always happen as well. reviewers are split? hmm 70 plus perfect scores. you can guarantee all you want you don't know anything and there is no proof your little minority out cry will do a damn thing to Bioware sales.

All the crap you are saying was the same crap people like you said about Dragon Age 2. And not only did it sell good, the dlc was decent, and the ending never changed, AND Bioware still made a lot of money on ME3. likewise will again after ME3. History is against you as is logic. research before you make dumb threads atleast

A wild troll appears!

So condensending, yet you're the one who seems to lack the proper logic. The point the person is trying to make is that out of 11 people he knows, only one likes the ending. This ratio is similar to many others, and as such, can be carried over to show a general disliking of the ending. Is it really that hard to believe that 10 of his friends didn't like the ending? Just because you don't have any, doesn't mean he's lying.

The fact that 52,000 dislike it while a smaller majority have shown approval of it tells a lot about the product. Just because someone doesn't vocally side with either group, doesn't mean you can automatically say, "Oh well if they didn't say the endings suck, THEY MUST LIKE IT!" Logic present there? Nope.

And sure, ME3 will be a profitable venture. It just won't be as much so as it could have been.

Now go back to your bridge please, quit harrassing people.