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[DemGeth]

2 and 3 aren't Rpg's. Rpg's are defined by dice based combat. Course that's largely forgotten nowadays and doesn't change how much I like either game.

[scrapmetals]

Anthropophobic wrote...

scrapmetals wrote...

The only thing I have to disagree about is the "adding RPG elements to ME3". There were way more RPG elements in 1 and 2 in my opinion.

You'd be wrong then, because ME3 gave players much more control over customizing and specializing their characters than ME2 at the very least (and probably ME1 as well).

Having three dialogue options isn't an essential RPG element. Being able to badger squaddies when they don't have anything new to say isn't an essential RPG element either.

While what you're saying is true to most people, it simply wasn't for me. I started gaming with tabletops, so while customization is a huge deal in tabletops, dialogue is a bigger deal when it comes to "RPG". Maybe I'm wrong to expect that in console RPGs (and ME series isn't technically an RPG, but with so many choices, it sort of toes a line between shooter and RPG), and usually, I don't - but I do expect it with Bioware games.

Modifié par scrapmetals, 25 mars 2012 - 11:11 .

[ShepardTheHopeful]

I understand the ending and can accept it. Doesn't mean I approve of it. Big difference.

[Luder09]

but...but....but... 70 perfect reviews!

*facepalm*

Modifié par Luder09, 25 mars 2012 - 11:13 .

[Mixorz]

What is the Facebook at? 75k? Even if the game only sold 200k copies you would still be a minority. And I'm willing to bet many of those likes and poll votes are alt accounts and friends who don't play games but have been told to like the page.

Sorry, you are a minority.

[ShepardTheHopeful]

Since when has a game magazine writer been good for anything? I think I stopped caring about journalists in gaming when the last post I read in one of their magazines was "A game being Japanese automatically makes it better and it's your fault for their decline and failure"

Also apparently the CoD gamer fad is our fault.

[Clayless]

ShepardTheHopeful wrote...

Since when has a game magazine writer been good for anything? I think I stopped caring about journalists in gaming when the last post I read in one of their magazines was "A game being Japanese automatically makes it better and it's your fault for their decline and failure"

Also apparently the CoD gamer fad is our fault.

What do you think of the Retake movement? Are they a more reliable source of information?

[yahtzo]

Even my sister who has never played a Mass Effect game thought the ending was stupid

[Valo_Soren]

Whether you like it or not, fight against it as much as you want, you're still the vocal minority, out of the 2 million plus copies sold there is a large amount of fans who probably don't even know this controversy is taking place. Most people who like the ending don't feel the need to come and proclaim it on the forums, that's usually the reaction for most people who hate something. The only reason we ending lovers seem out numbered here on the forums because its being flooded by mostly people who dislike the ending because they of course, have to complain about everything.

[tjmax]

Dridengx wrote...


Actually we do know how many hated it, 52,000. that isn't very many lol. that's right you don't know anything especially how many liked it but you can't claim people who liked it are smaller than 52k lol.

Actually you don't. 52,000 is a number from what exactly. a poll that not everyone voted on? It could be 5200 or 2,400 k that hate the ending you have no clue.

You can say ohhh 52,000 is not that many in the scope of sales, that has nothing to do with if people liked it or not. In the scope of things online getting 52,000 players and i suspect that number is significantly less then the actual number, all saying the same thing.. its a pretty significant statement concidering those are your core DLC players. 

[Lugaidster]

ThePrestige10 wrote...

Dridengx wrote...


Your 10 'friends' if they even exist don't mean anything. Amazon and origin always offer refunds. Price drops always happen as well. reviewers are split? hmm 70 plus perfect scores. you can guarantee all you want you don't know anything and there is no proof your little minority out cry will do a damn thing to Bioware sales.

All the crap you are saying was the same crap people like you said about Dragon Age 2. And not only did it sell good, the dlc was decent, and the ending never changed, AND Bioware still made a lot of money on ME3. likewise will again after ME3. History is against you as is logic. research before you make dumb threads atleast

I have viewed a lot of threads about this topic. And one thing always stood out: You are pretty vocal in all of those threads. And in those threads you are also the minority. Are you noticing something?

I have nothing against you. And I don't want to displease you. But I think you are actually the vocal minority here.

Which is the reason the pro-enders haven't gathered more than a few hundred members for their groups? ¬¬ As the OP said, if you take the several theories to try to extrapolate the numbers, because there are a lot more people vocal about hating the ending the numbers favour more anti-ending than pro-enders. Because I've seen a large difference everywhere, the gap between anti and pro is probably quite large. Vocal members represent a silent portion, and there's usually a relation between them. 

In the case of DA2, there were enough vocal pro-enders that the big picture didn't look as bad. Here, an overwhelming amount of people just hate the ending for whatever reason. If you still continue with the vocal minority argument, you really don't know anything about statistics and market behaviour. I don't know if we are a majority or not, but the silence of the rest of the sales doesn't mean that they like the end, you can't assume what silence means since some people from both ends of the argument will stay silent. 

Want to prove that we are a minority? Gather at least the same amount people in a pro-ending movement that the RetakeME3 one has and you'll be close to it.

[Iwillbeback]

Just because Bioware went from not using levels on guns and types of ammo doesn't mean they went back to please fans, truth is there is so little side missions in Mass effect 3 something had to be added.

[Melancholic]

Mixorz wrote...

What is the Facebook at? 75k? Even if the game only sold 200k copies you would still be a minority. And I'm willing to bet many of those likes and poll votes are alt accounts and friends who don't play games but have been told to like the page.

Sorry, you are a minority.

Are you seriously implying we need the voice of at least 51% of all copies sold before you will consider us a majority?

I don't think that's how it works, friend.

[Valo_Soren]

Melancholic wrote...

Mixorz wrote...

What is the Facebook at? 75k? Even if the game only sold 200k copies you would still be a minority. And I'm willing to bet many of those likes and poll votes are alt accounts and friends who don't play games but have been told to like the page.

Sorry, you are a minority.

Are you seriously implying we need the voice of at least 51% of all copies sold before you will consider us a majority?

I don't think that's how it works, friend.

Yes, that is exactly what we're saying.
Yes, that is exactly how it works.

[Swisspease]

Valo_Soren wrote...

Whether you like it or not, fight against it as much as you want, you're still the vocal minority, out of the 2 million plus copies sold there is a large amount of fans who probably don't even know this controversy is taking place. Most people who like the ending don't feel the need to come and proclaim it on the forums, that's usually the reaction for most people who hate something. The only reason we ending lovers seem out numbered here on the forums because its being flooded by mostly people who dislike the ending because they of course, have to complain about everything.

If you listened to what most of the retakers are saying they say that they love the game except for the endings, therefore they are not complaining about everything.

How do you know that the ending haters are in the minority if you do not ask every single owner of the game their thoughts on it?

To quote Mark Twain "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics."

[Clayless]

Melancholic wrote...

Mixorz wrote...

What is the Facebook at? 75k? Even if the game only sold 200k copies you would still be a minority. And I'm willing to bet many of those likes and poll votes are alt accounts and friends who don't play games but have been told to like the page.

Sorry, you are a minority.

Are you seriously implying we need the voice of at least 51% of all copies sold before you will consider us a majority?

I don't think that's how it works, friend.

Actually, if you say you're the majority you need the majority.

Not, well we have a minority, so therefore we're clearly the majority.

[DemGeth]

tjmax wrote...

Dridengx wrote...


Actually we do know how many hated it, 52,000. that isn't very many lol. that's right you don't know anything especially how many liked it but you can't claim people who liked it are smaller than 52k lol.

Actually you don't. 52,000 is a number from what exactly. a poll that not everyone voted on? It could be 5200 or 2,400 k that hate the ending you have no clue.

You can say ohhh 52,000 is not that many in the scope of sales, that has nothing to do with if people liked it or not. In the scope of things online getting 52,000 players and i suspect that number is significantly less then the actual number, all saying the same thing.. its a pretty significant statement concidering those are your core DLC players. 

IDK that Dark Souls for PC petition is almost at 100k....and that's much less known than ME.  But there's no real point in arguing something that can't be proven one way or the other so I don't. 

Modifié par DemGeth, 25 mars 2012 - 11:25 .

[Jeno_340]

Dridengx wrote...

Jeno_340 wrote...

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Actually we do know how many hated it, 52,000. that isn't very many lol. that's right you don't know anything especially how many liked it but you can't claim people who liked it are smaller than 52k lol.

I stopped reading right here since you obviously don't understand polling and sampling at all. Others in this thread have already explained to you why your logic is wrong. I won't waste my time adding to that.

[Paparob]

DemGeth wrote...

2 and 3 aren't Rpg's. Rpg's are defined by dice based combat. Course that's largely forgotten nowadays and doesn't change how much I like either game.

Off topc, but not an RPG isn't defined by dice based combat. If RPGs were defined by dice base combat than every table top war game would be an RPG. RPGs are defined by assuming a role in a fictional enviroment and acting out that role through character actions and decision making. The use of dice is popular but not needed.

Modifié par Paparob, 25 mars 2012 - 11:29 .

[Jeno_340]

CrazyBirdman wrote...

I think there a lot who hate the ending (surprise!) nut also a considerable amount of people who are just "meh" about the ending.
I am very satisfied, my brother and a friend of mine are "meh" about it but we all are not very vocal about it. So while you may are the majority (nobody knows) there will be alot of people who just do not put so much emotion in it and neither want to trash the ending nor defending it.

I'm actually a "meh" person myself. But I wasn't expecting a "meh" ending out of the final installment of my favorite trilogy.

I'm more pro-new ending than I am anti-current ending if that makes any sense...

[blehblah123]

one thing i don't get is....generally the pro-ending crowd claims that the absolutely love the ending because it is open ended and it does lead the speculation...my question then becomes..how come no pro-ending people are actively discussing what they think of the ending..you know..speculating as it was originally intended? for example, after inception...people where flooding the forums on imdb about the endings and what they thought it meant..how come there isn't such analysis present in these forums?

[DeadPoolX]

Melancholic wrote...

Mixorz wrote...

What is the Facebook at? 75k? Even if the game only sold 200k copies you would still be a minority. And I'm willing to bet many of those likes and poll votes are alt accounts and friends who don't play games but have been told to like the page.

Sorry, you are a minority.

Are you seriously implying we need the voice of at least 51% of all copies sold before you will consider us a majority?

I don't think that's how it works, friend.

It depends on what you're claiming. 

If you're suggesting that a majority of all ME3 players hate the ending, then yes, that would require at least 51% of all fans.  If you're saying that the majority of all BSN posters hate ME3's ending, then no, it doesn't require 51% of all fans; however, that does require at least 51% of all people on BSN (or at least those who partake in the ME3 forums).

In short, a majority is 51% or more.  Granted, 51% is a small majority, but it's still a majority nonetheless.

[ZodiEmish]

Jeno_340 wrote...

Dridengx wrote...

Jeno_340 wrote...

-snip-

Actually we do know how many hated it, 52,000. that isn't very many lol. that's right you don't know anything especially how many liked it but you can't claim people who liked it are smaller than 52k lol.

I stopped reading right here since you obviously don't understand polling and sampling at all. Others in this thread have already explained to you why your logic is wrong. I won't waste my time adding to that.

Oh I am sure he understands it... one thing you will find i the Pro Enders will ignore both logic and statistical theory. You will find this ALL over the BSN.. and it seems like nearlly every single one of them does this.  Only reason why they ignore it is because their arguement is to weak to  take on the date without resorting to attacks, and fallacy....

[DemGeth]

Paparob wrote...

DemGeth wrote...

2 and 3 aren't Rpg's. Rpg's are defined by dice based combat. Course that's largely forgotten nowadays and doesn't change how much I like either game.

Off topc, but not an rpg isn't defined by dice base combat. If RPGs were defined by dice base combat than every table top war game would be an RPG. RPGs are defined by assuming a role in a fictional enviroment and acting out that role through character actions and decision making.

Fair point...damn I shoulda thought of that.  A friend of mine was so into those he had 200-300.  Works for the CIA too heh.