Larryboy_Dragon wrote...
On metacritic, despite the boo-hoo over here, ME3 is still ranked better than DA2.
For both Professional and User reviews.
http://www.metacriti...0/mass-effect-3
http://www.metacriti...0/dragon-age-ii
Omg. I really don't want to insult you because you don't seem like a troll but you really need to learn about sampling/polling/statistics. You literally sound like you are 12 with this kind of logic. (and if you are, then you need not take any offense. You will learn about this stuff in high school or college. If not, please google it and then come back before arguing anymore)Valo_Soren wrote...
Melancholic wrote...
Are you seriously implying we need the voice of at least 51% of all copies sold before you will consider us a majority?Mixorz wrote...
What is the Facebook at? 75k? Even if the game only sold 200k copies you would still be a minority. And I'm willing to bet many of those likes and poll votes are alt accounts and friends who don't play games but have been told to like the page.
Sorry, you are a minority.
I don't think that's how it works, friend.
Yes, that is exactly what we're saying.
Yes, that is exactly how it works.
Omg. I really don't want to insult you because you don't seem like a
troll but you really need to learn about sampling/polling/statistics.
You literally sound like you are 12 with this kind of logic. (and if you
are, then you need not take any offense. You will learn about this
stuff in high school or college. If not, please google it and then come
back before arguing anymore)
Modifié par Vromrig, 25 mars 2012 - 11:49 .
Vromrig wrote...
No statistical evidence to suggest anti-ending are "minority".
Relying on absence of data. Namely, assumption that because vocal amount does not exceed 51% of sales, 51% or more of sales must support.
Illogical conclusion.
Modifié par DemGeth, 25 mars 2012 - 11:48 .
DemGeth wrote...
Vromrig wrote...
No statistical evidence to suggest anti-ending are "minority".
Relying on absence of data. Namely, assumption that because vocal amount does not exceed 51% of sales, 51% or more of sales must support.
Illogical conclusion.
Nothing shows you're a majority either so......
Modifié par Aesieru, 25 mars 2012 - 11:49 .
Mixorz wrote...
Tony208 wrote...
It's no use arguing with them. They are outnumbered a thousand to one and still think they're the majority.
Best to just ignore them. With the insults they toss around, most of them are flamebaiting anyway.
Outnumbered here yes, but then again that's what is feeding this take back hold the line circle jerk. You guys are so cute here thinking you are a real voice. There was nothing wrong with the ending. Learn to comprehend and move on.
I'm not here to attack pro enders. Typically, pro enders aren't really hardcore fans of the series. For instance, I liked Bioshock 1's ending and I loved Bioshock 2 even more. A hardcore Bioshock fan would disagree with me. I'm a casual Bio fan so my opinion is going to be a lot less harsh.ZodiEmish wrote...
Jeno_340 wrote...
I stopped reading right here since you obviously don't understand polling and sampling at all. Others in this thread have already explained to you why your logic is wrong. I won't waste my time adding to that.Dridengx wrote...
Jeno_340 wrote...
-snip-
Actually we do know how many hated it, 52,000. that isn't very many lol. that's right you don't know anything especially how many liked it but you can't claim people who liked it are smaller than 52k lol.
Oh I am sure he understands it... one thing you will find i the Pro Enders will ignore both logic and statistical theory. You will find this ALL over the BSN.. and it seems like nearlly every single one of them does this. Only reason why they ignore it is because their arguement is to weak to take on the date without resorting to attacks, and fallacy....
Nothing shows you're a majority either so......
Jeno_340 wrote...
I'm not here to attack pro enders. Typically, pro enders aren't really hardcore fans of the series. For instance, I liked Bioshock 1's ending and I loved Bioshock 2 even more. A hardcore Bioshock fan would disagree with me. I'm a casual Bio fan so my opinion is going to be a lot less harsh.ZodiEmish wrote...
Jeno_340 wrote...
I stopped reading right here since you obviously don't understand polling and sampling at all. Others in this thread have already explained to you why your logic is wrong. I won't waste my time adding to that.Dridengx wrote...
Jeno_340 wrote...
-snip-
Actually we do know how many hated it, 52,000. that isn't very many lol. that's right you don't know anything especially how many liked it but you can't claim people who liked it are smaller than 52k lol.
Oh I am sure he understands it... one thing you will find i the Pro Enders will ignore both logic and statistical theory. You will find this ALL over the BSN.. and it seems like nearlly every single one of them does this. Only reason why they ignore it is because their arguement is to weak to take on the date without resorting to attacks, and fallacy....
If I had never played ME 1 or 2 (or even just 1 if I was a ps3 user), I would have a lot less reason to dislike because it wasn't "Superman 64" terrible.
Vromrig wrote...
Nothing shows you're a majority either so......
All statistical data supports it. Majority of all polled consistently report disapproval of ending.
Majority of respondents on all inquiries demonstrate disapproval of ending.
Sample size exceeds 60,000.
Statistically, majority disapprove.
Simply stating otherwise does not make so.
Exactly. The whole point is to prove that "The amount of people that like the ending cannot be proven". That would mean that a lot of people aren't pleased with the ending. Enough to warrant optional change (in this case, alternate DLC).Flextt wrote...
The Retake movement might be a minority and a vocal one at that. But people disliking the ending even without knowing the whole circus? I think the majority of people is NOT in favor of the end. Of course, I cannot prove it.
But the other side is unable to do that as well. And there are no statistics to even remotely suggest the ending is viewed favorably by a majority of the ME 3 playerbase. Sale figures and game magazine reviews are not a demographic. Journalists are not impartial.
Satisfy is a pretty vague statement. Accepting the movie is not the same as liking it. Even if the anti enders don't get to be half of the amount sales, there are still two other states to be occupied by the rest, which could be divided equally, dilluting the overall picture but still making the product a failed one. If really loyal fans hated it, I would be worried. They are the ones that'll continue to buy dvds and bluerays and everything related to the series.DemGeth wrote...
Janus382 wrote...
So, I mentioned it, but none of the naysayers paid any attention to it, so I'll do the math. Just based on Facebook likes... for the record, I've neither "officially" joined the Retake movment, no "Liked" the facebook group.
90-9-1 rule... basically 9-10% are active.
http://www.useit.com...inequality.html
52,000 active would ballpark around 600k people who are dissatisfied with the ending. However, it's been postulated that a "traumatic event" could cause some of the 90% inactives to become pro-active... I've seen a lot of lurkers on the board chime in... so it could skew the result to being a bit less than 600k.
4% rule... that only 4% of dissatisfied customers complain.
Google it, there's a ton of stuff.
52,000 active would ballpark around 1.3 million people... which imo is too high, since it's doubtful that that many people have even beaten the game, given sales/shipping... but the rule does have weight to it.
Like I said, minority/majority claims can't be made, but a plurality is quite likely... and 52k should, by no means, be taken as a literal, accurate approximation of the total outcry.
It's a different model completly for entertainment products with a rabid fanbase. Look at Star Wars. You can ****** off a minortiy of the total audience and still satisfy the majority of people that get/watch it.
Not that that is what you should be aiming for
That's like me taking a polling sample from the small Democratic state i live in about who will win a presidental election.
I want to question your argument but you have none so all I can do is question you. How old are you? Have you played ME1 or 2? Do you understand the themes in the game? Do you remember what was promised. Are you fully aware of what happened at the end of 3?Mixorz wrote...
Tony208 wrote...
It's no use arguing with them. They are outnumbered a thousand to one and still think they're the majority.
Best to just ignore them. With the insults they toss around, most of them are flamebaiting anyway.
Outnumbered here yes, but then again that's what is feeding this take back hold the line circle jerk. You guys are so cute here thinking you are a real voice. There was nothing wrong with the ending. Learn to comprehend and move on.
Vromrig wrote...
That's like me taking a polling sample from the small Democratic state i live in about who will win a presidental election.
Incorrect. Further, political polling sample sizes typically do not exceed 1000, +/- few hundred, even in democratic states.
Sample size of 60,000+, including both supporters and non, across various areas, constitutes sufficient sample size.
Valo_Soren wrote...
Melancholic wrote...
Are you seriously implying we need the voice of at least 51% of all copies sold before you will consider us a majority?Mixorz wrote...
What is the Facebook at? 75k? Even if the game only sold 200k copies you would still be a minority. And I'm willing to bet many of those likes and poll votes are alt accounts and friends who don't play games but have been told to like the page.
Sorry, you are a minority.
I don't think that's how it works, friend.
Yes, that is exactly what we're saying.
Yes, that is exactly how it works.
Ahhhhh the polling base is skewed due to review bombing, or are we just going to pretend there was no review bombing.
You know more about this than me. 1.3 million is TOO high. Even then, this doesn't mean that the other 1.7 million actually liked the ending. Already, this number is high enough to warrant change if it is accurate.Janus382 wrote...
So, I mentioned it, but none of the naysayers paid any attention to it, so I'll do the math. Just based on Facebook likes... for the record, I've neither "officially" joined the Retake movment, nor "Liked" the facebook group. I'm sure I'm not the only one.
90-9-1 rule... basically 9-10% are active.
http://www.useit.com...inequality.html
52,000 active would ballpark around 600k people who are dissatisfied with the ending. However, it's been postulated that a "traumatic event" could cause some of the 90% inactives to become pro-active... I've seen a lot of lurkers on the board chime in... so it could skew the result to being a bit less than 600k.
4% rule... that only 4% of dissatisfied customers complain.
Google it, there's a ton of stuff.
52,000 active would ballpark around 1.3 million people... which imo is too high, since it's doubtful that that many people have even beaten the game, given sales/shipping... but the rule does have weight to it.
Like I said, minority/majority claims can't be made, but a plurality is quite likely... and 52k should, by no means, be taken as a literal, accurate approximation of the total outcry.
DemGeth wrote...
Vromrig wrote...
That's like me taking a polling sample from the small Democratic state i live in about who will win a presidental election.
Incorrect. Further, political polling sample sizes typically do not exceed 1000, +/- few hundred, even in democratic states.
Sample size of 60,000+, including both supporters and non, across various areas, constitutes sufficient sample size.
Ahhhhh the polling base is skewed due to review bombing, or are we just going to pretend there was no review bombing.
Vromrig wrote...
Nothing shows you're a majority either so......
All statistical data supports it. Majority of all polled consistently report disapproval of ending.
Majority of respondents on all inquiries demonstrate disapproval of ending.
Sample size exceeds 60,000.
Statistically, majority disapprove.
Simply stating otherwise does not make so.
Modifié par Lugaidster, 25 mars 2012 - 11:58 .
Vromrig wrote...
Ahhhhh the polling base is skewed due to review bombing, or are we just going to pretend there was no review bombing.
Review bombing subjectively different ffrom consistent opinion polls, information drawn from media/forums.
All data points to majority dissatisfaction with ending.
No data to support vocal minority.
ZodiEmish wrote...
Mixorz wrote...
Tony208 wrote...
It's no use arguing with them. They are outnumbered a thousand to one and still think they're the majority.
Best to just ignore them. With the insults they toss around, most of them are flamebaiting anyway.
Outnumbered here yes, but then again that's what is feeding this take back hold the line circle jerk. You guys are so cute here thinking you are a real voice. There was nothing wrong with the ending. Learn to comprehend and move on.
^ This kind of just proved Tony208 right... Also Ironic. too.
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