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BeefoTheBold wrote...

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maybe they finally realized the constant complaining about it is pointless and basicly laughable

now just watch 24 hours from now people will start shouting forbes isnt legit because thats how hypocritical the take back movement is


Or, alternatively, they incorporate new thoughts and new information and evaluate it as it comes along?

In what way is the push to get a halfway decent set of endings, to basically make Bioware deliver what they have promised for years, "hypocritcal".

Please do explain.


show me one article one statement by any bioware employee that said they promissed a choice in the endings

if you cant provide an actual statement on that then yes you are twisting everything around


this board is filled with hypocrites and heres why


2 years ago posters have demanded the squad be changed from 12 back to the me1 type wich was 6 and you got it and yet still moan cry and say bioware never listened to those fans

fans even asked for a better customization for me3 and got it and yet blablabla wine wine wine 


and those same crying little brats go around and call others names and act like there a victim or inoccent

and frankly i wouldnt mind slapping the crap out of a few of them personally


need me to continue?


Given that you didn't listen to the FIRST time such a list was presented, why should I think that you'll listen to the second time?

http://social.biowar.../index/10204263

Your reply is the very first one to this thread. It's a whole list of public promises, including ones by Bioware senior executives that we'd be given a choice of varied endings.

So, yeah, I think you need to continue. Because you have been just proven absolutely and conclusively WRONG about the very foundation of your case:

"show me one article one statement by any bioware employee that said they promissed a choice in the endings

if you cant provide an actual statement on that then yes you are twisting everything around"



again your jumping and thinking they said the exact 2 words i promise when they didnt

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Tirigon wrote...

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 www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2012/03/21/did-the-real-mass-effect-3-ending-go-over-everyones-heads/


Basically he is starting to think bioware did not drop the ball artistically with the end, as it is a false ending with the real ending coming in DLC

however, from a gamer customer perspective he states that it would likely cause even more rage since people never got the "real ending" on the disc. 

He does think the DLC ending ( if exists) ought to be free.


But when you stop and consider it, the decision to handle such a twist the way they did would remain creatively atrocious. I’ve recently speculated
that the “sameness” of the endings is really a plot to sell more DLC,
as if there were three different, complete endings, that wouldn’t be in
the cards. The fact is, even if the last sequence is the
indoctrination process, it’s still a gut punch to fans to cut out a true
ending, and sell it later as DLC, which I now believe has been their
intention all along.


This is what I have been saying all along, except for the fact that I do not trust BioWare to have planned it.


If they planned it then it still does not salvage the company in my eyes. They still would have lied to consumers. Selling a product as a conclusion to story (a 5 year trilogy no less), and then having the game actually not conclude the story as indicated would be fundamentally dishonest.  It would not be a better situation than what it looks like right now. Both instances have them lying to consumers to make more money.

It would be different if they had not promoted the game as the conclusion to the story, or gave any sort of indication that the game would not provide a resolution to the reaper threat. They did not do that though. So they either lied about the content of the ending, or they lied about the game being the conclusion to the story. Neither case is acceptable.

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The mass effect twitter has not  been known to be a credible source. Too many contradictions and corrections.

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http://social.biowar.../index/10520183

Here are some promises.

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http://social.biowar.../index/10409105 

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Modifié par Aesieru, 26 mars 2012 - 01:14 .


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the theory has to be correct other wise what was the point of that 10 second vid? because we all know shepard couldn't fall from space and live(he didn't in ME2) and the surrounding rubble looks nothing like the citadel material.

so in my guess they could/will in fact extend the ending. you can't ignore those simple facts.

even if he could some how live from that fall he would be crushed by citadel rubble anyway.

we all know he didn't have a helmet around this time just putting in another fact.

Modifié par KyuzoS7, 26 mars 2012 - 01:07 .


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Tazzmission wrote...

again your jumping and thinking they said the exact 2 words i promise when they didnt


If I tell you a lie, but I don't say I promise, then does that mean it is not a lie?

Modifié par corpselover, 26 mars 2012 - 01:07 .


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Tazzmission wrote...

factor dosent say promise buddy so again your twisting what was said


I don't have forever to continue sticking around and pointing out how utterly wrong you are, so I'll limit myself to THE OFFICIAL BIOWARE WEBSITE to demonstrate.

http://masseffect.com/about/story/

"Experience the beginning, middle, and end of an emotional story unlike any
other, where the decisions you make completely shape your experience
and outcome
.”

I bolded the most pertinent part for your convenience.

Now, you can continue being a, what's the word you used? Hypocrite? And deny that I've done exactly what you asked me to do (twice now) or you can admit that the "whiners" who think as I do have a point and Bioware DID explicitly promise differentiated endings based on player choice and didn't get them.

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corpselover wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

again your jumping and thinking they said the exact 2 words i promise when they didnt


If I tell you a lie, but I don't say I promise, then does that mean it is not a lie?


thats funny because they never lied


you really have to stop thinking everything is because real talk that is not healthy at all

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Tazzmission wrote...

BeefoTheBold wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

BeefoTheBold wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

maybe they finally realized the constant complaining about it is pointless and basicly laughable

now just watch 24 hours from now people will start shouting forbes isnt legit because thats how hypocritical the take back movement is


Or, alternatively, they incorporate new thoughts and new information and evaluate it as it comes along?

In what way is the push to get a halfway decent set of endings, to basically make Bioware deliver what they have promised for years, "hypocritcal".

Please do explain.


show me one article one statement by any bioware employee that said they promissed a choice in the endings

if you cant provide an actual statement on that then yes you are twisting everything around


this board is filled with hypocrites and heres why


2 years ago posters have demanded the squad be changed from 12 back to the me1 type wich was 6 and you got it and yet still moan cry and say bioware never listened to those fans

fans even asked for a better customization for me3 and got it and yet blablabla wine wine wine 


and those same crying little brats go around and call others names and act like there a victim or inoccent

and frankly i wouldnt mind slapping the crap out of a few of them personally


need me to continue?


Given that you didn't listen to the FIRST time such a list was presented, why should I think that you'll listen to the second time?

http://social.biowar.../index/10204263

Your reply is the very first one to this thread. It's a whole list of public promises, including ones by Bioware senior executives that we'd be given a choice of varied endings.

So, yeah, I think you need to continue. Because you have been just proven absolutely and conclusively WRONG about the very foundation of your case:

"show me one article one statement by any bioware employee that said they promissed a choice in the endings

if you cant provide an actual statement on that then yes you are twisting everything around"



again your jumping and thinking they said the exact 2 words i promise when they didnt


That's your case? A whole litany of public statements saying that it will happen is not enough because the two words "I promise" weren't used?

And if someone finds a quote where THOSE EXACT TWO WORDS are used will you then say it doesn't count because they didn't have a valid contract signed with the blood of Bioware's founders officially witnessed by a Supreme Court justice?

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Tazzmission wrote...

corpselover wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

again your jumping and thinking they said the exact 2 words i promise when they didnt


If I tell you a lie, but I don't say I promise, then does that mean it is not a lie?


thats funny because they never lied


you really have to stop thinking everything is because real talk that is not healthy at all


What?

They linked the post with the lies. Can you explain how they are not lies? (you don't need to say I promise for a statement to be false)

Modifié par corpselover, 26 mars 2012 - 01:12 .


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BeefoTheBold wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

factor dosent say promise buddy so again your twisting what was said


I don't have forever to continue sticking around and pointing out how utterly wrong you are, so I'll limit myself to THE OFFICIAL BIOWARE WEBSITE to demonstrate.

http://masseffect.com/about/story/

"Experience the beginning, middle, and end of an emotional story unlike any
other, where the decisions you make completely shape your experience
and outcome
.”

I bolded the most pertinent part for your convenience.

Now, you can continue being a, what's the word you used? Hypocrite? And deny that I've done exactly what you asked me to do (twice now) or you can admit that the "whiners" who think as I do have a point and Bioware DID explicitly promise differentiated endings based on player choice and didn't get them.


and it did shape your outcome did it not? where has it stated that the ending and ending alone is that outcome?

if you saved wrex did it not shape your outcome?

if you let 3 people die in me2 did it not shape your outcome?

the ending was emitional and if you say it wasnt than you have no clue on what emotion is


where in any article has a developer stated oh if you keep so and so alive this ending will happen huh tough guy?

Modifié par Tazzmission, 26 mars 2012 - 01:12 .


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Am I the only one seeing the overt religious themes in this game?

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Am I the only one seeing the overt religious themes in this game?


nope i had a feeling it would do this since me1 when shepard gives his speech on the normandy talking about saren

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Tazzmission wrote...

corpselover wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

again your jumping and thinking they said the exact 2 words i promise when they didnt


If I tell you a lie, but I don't say I promise, then does that mean it is not a lie?


thats funny because they never lied


you really have to stop thinking everything is because real talk that is not healthy at all


Are you a legal expert? If not, why are you acting like your personal (necessarily due to the preceding conditional) ignorant opinion is fact?

However, assuming for the sake of an argument, that Bioware employees making factually incorrect claims in interviews does not constitute "lying". In that case, Bioware would have to argue that they should not be held to those claims because they're not legally binding product descriptions as far as truth in advertising/Sale of Goods Act is concerned. Problem with that is that it's an admission of deception.

So either Bioware is engaging in false advertising, or (technically legal but) intentional deception - Bioware made claims in interviews prior to release, it become obvious that they would not be able to deliver the promised gaming experience, and then just released the game without so much as a word. Do you really not see a problem here?

Modifié par aLucidMind, 26 mars 2012 - 01:13 .


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The mass effect twitter has not  been known to be a credible source. Too many contradictions and corrections.


So, BioWare should clarify their remarks about the ending. Why let misinformation perpetuate?

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slimgrin wrote...

Am I the only one seeing the overt religious themes in this game?



i have never seen any religion in any of the ME games.

where are you seeing it ?

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slimgrin wrote...

Am I the only one seeing the overt religious themes in this game?

Those have been in every ME game. Shepard is space Jesus.

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Tazzmission wrote...

corpselover wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

again your jumping and thinking they said the exact 2 words i promise when they didnt


If I tell you a lie, but I don't say I promise, then does that mean it is not a lie?


thats funny because they never lied


you really have to stop thinking everything is because real talk that is not healthy at all


I already gave you proof. Now stop arguing.

Modifié par Aesieru, 26 mars 2012 - 01:15 .


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Tazzmission wrote...

BeefoTheBold wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

factor dosent say promise buddy so again your twisting what was said


I don't have forever to continue sticking around and pointing out how utterly wrong you are, so I'll limit myself to THE OFFICIAL BIOWARE WEBSITE to demonstrate.

http://masseffect.com/about/story/

"Experience the beginning, middle, and end of an emotional story unlike any
other, where the decisions you make completely shape your experience
and outcome
.”

I bolded the most pertinent part for your convenience.

Now, you can continue being a, what's the word you used? Hypocrite? And deny that I've done exactly what you asked me to do (twice now) or you can admit that the "whiners" who think as I do have a point and Bioware DID explicitly promise differentiated endings based on player choice and didn't get them.


and it did shape your outcome did it not? where has it stated that the ending and ending alone is that outcome?

if you saved wrex did it not shape your outcome?

if you let 3 people die in me2 did it not shape your outcome?

the ending was emitional and if you say it wasnt than you have no clue on what emotion is


where in any article has a developer stated oh if you keep so and so alive this ending will happen huh tough guy?


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I don't think the word outcome means what you think it means. The ending, as in one of the red, blue or green endings, is the OUTCOME.

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Tazzmission wrote...

BeefoTheBold wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

factor dosent say promise buddy so again your twisting what was said


I don't have forever to continue sticking around and pointing out how utterly wrong you are, so I'll limit myself to THE OFFICIAL BIOWARE WEBSITE to demonstrate.

http://masseffect.com/about/story/

"Experience the beginning, middle, and end of an emotional story unlike any
other, where the decisions you make completely shape your experience
and outcome
.”

I bolded the most pertinent part for your convenience.

Now, you can continue being a, what's the word you used? Hypocrite? And deny that I've done exactly what you asked me to do (twice now) or you can admit that the "whiners" who think as I do have a point and Bioware DID explicitly promise differentiated endings based on player choice and didn't get them.


and it did shape your outcome did it not? where has it stated that the ending and ending alone is that outcome?

if you saved wrex did it not shape your outcome?

if you let 3 people die in me2 did it not shape your outcome?

the ending was emitional and if you say it wasnt than you have no clue on what emotion is


where in any article has a developer stated oh if you keep so and so alive this ending will happen huh tough guy?


Its funny how this the 2nd time today I've posted this


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slimgrin wrote...

Am I the only one seeing the overt religious themes in this game?


They are all over the place.

Death, resurrection, indoctrination, visions, mythical ancestors ( Protheans) ET etc etc etc

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My god. Will anybody be satisfied.

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 I'm starting to think that the ending was rushed, they had a deadline and didn't have time to polish it, so they cut content and are now going to include that content in whatever 'closure' DLC they will have. Probably won't allow Shep to see his squad again, but who knows.


That too is my *hope*.

But I wont be buying it.

I did not just buy the Collector's edition for Bioware to, 2 months later go "Here's the real ending.. pay another €10 if you want to see it."

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 Tazz here is one for you, it seems you need one >_>
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Tazzmission wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Am I the only one seeing the overt religious themes in this game?


nope i had a feeling it would do this since me1 when shepard gives his speech on the normandy talking about saren


It's more than that. Look at the Geth/Quarian situation, look at how many are so willing to sacrifice themselves, a theme that is present in just about any religion. Look at Starboy, and the fact we are just supposed to take what he says at face value, yet another religious theme - don't question, just accept.

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