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[Heimdall]

o Ventus wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

It's also worth considering that the we don't know if the DNA from Husks is unusable for creating a Reaper.

The humans in ME2 are very clearly shown being liquefied into grey goo. No husk-ification.

Husks are clearly stated (all throughout the trilogy) as having the innards and organs in the body, plus the metals and water replaced by cybernetics.

Not the question, is their DNA still usuable?  Maybe that's where the innards go when they are liquefied.  Not as effective as full human, but it's possible.

[tetrisblock4x1]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

jess05 wrote...

He says
You can Combine Organics and Synthetics. A new DNA. It is the final stage of evolution.

But he also said he didnt want organics to be killed by synthetics so he created sythetics to kill organics so they wouldn't be killed by synthetics.

So nothing he says has any logic or reason to it.

Good lord, he doesn't kill off organics he preserves them in Reaper form so they do not create synthetic life that is capable of wiping them out completely, thus allowing younger races a chance to rise up.

Yep, the Reapers are doing a bang-up job of preserving organic life here trololololo

Go easy on them... they were probably quite confused and unsure what to do when the citadel relay were lost to them which they relied on to incapacitate and isolate all resistance everywhere.

[Harbinger of your Destiny]

Lord Aesir wrote...

notsoavragejoe wrote...

BeefoTheBold wrote...

Well, one reason it's space magic is because synthetic creatures don't have DNA to synthesize.

Another is because it's basically galaxy wide DNA space-rape.

Sounds about right. 

And yet the Reapers were breaking down organics to create synthetic hybrid Reapers.  This isn't a new concept.

Which were done is specifically designed tubes in a specialized building over a long time. This was an instant wave of green bull****.

[o Ventus]

Lord Aesir wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

It's also worth considering that the we don't know if the DNA from Husks is unusable for creating a Reaper.

The humans in ME2 are very clearly shown being liquefied into grey goo. No husk-ification.

Husks are clearly stated (all throughout the trilogy) as having the innards and organs in the body, plus the metals and water replaced by cybernetics.

Not the question, is their DNA still usuable?  Maybe that's where the innards go when they are liquefied.  Not as effective as full human, but it's possible.

The innards aren't liquefied, they're destroyed and converted into cybernetics, and blood is replaced with a sickly green fluid. The only DNA immediately left would be the skin on the surface of the body, if that even counts.

[Heimdall]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

jess05 wrote...

He says
You can Combine Organics and Synthetics. A new DNA. It is the final stage of evolution.

But he also said he didnt want organics to be killed by synthetics so he created sythetics to kill organics so they wouldn't be killed by synthetics.

So nothing he says has any logic or reason to it.

Good lord, he doesn't kill off organics he preserves them in Reaper form so they do not create synthetic life that is capable of wiping them out completely, thus allowing younger races a chance to rise up.

Yep, the Reapers are doing a bang-up job of preserving organic life here trololololo

As I've already said, the Reapers are very thorough in destroying resistance, though don't care about individual lives.  As long as there are enough left to make a Reaper, their fine with killing the organic resistance and preventing the escape of organics that might try to slip through the cracks of the cycle and create synthetics at a later date.

[o Ventus]

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

jess05 wrote...

He says
You can Combine Organics and Synthetics. A new DNA. It is the final stage of evolution.

But he also said he didnt want organics to be killed by synthetics so he created sythetics to kill organics so they wouldn't be killed by synthetics.

So nothing he says has any logic or reason to it.

Good lord, he doesn't kill off organics he preserves them in Reaper form so they do not create synthetic life that is capable of wiping them out completely, thus allowing younger races a chance to rise up.

Yep, the Reapers are doing a bang-up job of preserving organic life here trololololo

Go easy on them... they were probably quite confused and unsure what to do when the citadel relay were lost to them which they relied on to incapacitate and isolate all resistance everywhere.

Yeah, those space crabs that supposedly exist on a higher plane and operate beyond our level of comprehension would never formulate a back-up plan.

Never ever, at all.

[o Ventus]

Lord Aesir wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

jess05 wrote...

He says
You can Combine Organics and Synthetics. A new DNA. It is the final stage of evolution.

But he also said he didnt want organics to be killed by synthetics so he created sythetics to kill organics so they wouldn't be killed by synthetics.

So nothing he says has any logic or reason to it.

Good lord, he doesn't kill off organics he preserves them in Reaper form so they do not create synthetic life that is capable of wiping them out completely, thus allowing younger races a chance to rise up.

Yep, the Reapers are doing a bang-up job of preserving organic life here trololololo

As I've already said, the Reapers are very thorough in destroying resistance, though don't care about individual lives.  As long as there are enough left to make a Reaper, their fine with killing the organic resistance and preventing the escape of organics that might try to slip through the cracks of the cycle and create synthetics at a later date.

It's hard to make a Reaper with organics when little-to-no organics exist.

It took millions of humans to make the proto-Reaper (Or around a million?), and that wasn't even half finished.

Modifié par o Ventus, 26 mars 2012 - 01:43 .

[Heimdall]

o Ventus wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

It's also worth considering that the we don't know if the DNA from Husks is unusable for creating a Reaper.

The humans in ME2 are very clearly shown being liquefied into grey goo. No husk-ification.

Husks are clearly stated (all throughout the trilogy) as having the innards and organs in the body, plus the metals and water replaced by cybernetics.

Not the question, is their DNA still usuable?  Maybe that's where the innards go when they are liquefied.  Not as effective as full human, but it's possible.

The innards aren't liquefied, they're destroyed and converted into cybernetics, and blood is replaced with a sickly green fluid. The only DNA immediately left would be the skin on the surface of the body, if that even counts.

How do you know they aren't liquified.  I haven't seen anything to that effect...

At any rate my primary point is that the Reapers don't care as long as enough are left over to harvest and preserve.  They'll create as many husks as they need to crush the resistance.

[Heimdall]

o Ventus wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

jess05 wrote...

He says
You can Combine Organics and Synthetics. A new DNA. It is the final stage of evolution.

But he also said he didnt want organics to be killed by synthetics so he created sythetics to kill organics so they wouldn't be killed by synthetics.

So nothing he says has any logic or reason to it.

Good lord, he doesn't kill off organics he preserves them in Reaper form so they do not create synthetic life that is capable of wiping them out completely, thus allowing younger races a chance to rise up.

Yep, the Reapers are doing a bang-up job of preserving organic life here trololololo

As I've already said, the Reapers are very thorough in destroying resistance, though don't care about individual lives.  As long as there are enough left to make a Reaper, their fine with killing the organic resistance and preventing the escape of organics that might try to slip through the cracks of the cycle and create synthetics at a later date.

It's hard to make a Reaper with organics when little-to-no organics exist.

It took millions of humans to make the proto-Reaper (Or around a million?), and that wasn't even half finished.

Obviously they wouldn't take it that far.  They were actually indoctrinating governments on Earth to try and order the resistance to stand down and using them to gather people up to harvest.

[o Ventus]

Lord Aesir wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

It's also worth considering that the we don't know if the DNA from Husks is unusable for creating a Reaper.

The humans in ME2 are very clearly shown being liquefied into grey goo. No husk-ification.

Husks are clearly stated (all throughout the trilogy) as having the innards and organs in the body, plus the metals and water replaced by cybernetics.

Not the question, is their DNA still usuable?  Maybe that's where the innards go when they are liquefied.  Not as effective as full human, but it's possible.

The innards aren't liquefied, they're destroyed and converted into cybernetics, and blood is replaced with a sickly green fluid. The only DNA immediately left would be the skin on the surface of the body, if that even counts.

How do you know they aren't liquified.  I haven't seen anything to that effect...

At any rate my primary point is that the Reapers don't care as long as enough are left over to harvest and preserve.  They'll create as many husks as they need to crush the resistance.

I've taken all of my information from the codex. Unless you're saying the codex is wrong.

Your point is weak. The point isn't them making husks out of people, it's that they're killing EVERYBODY without discrimination.

[o Ventus]

Lord Aesir wrote...

Obviously they wouldn't take it that far.  They were actually indoctrinating governments on Earth to try and order the resistance to stand down and using them to gather people up to harvest.

Where was this ever stated?

Or are you just making things up?

Modifié par o Ventus, 26 mars 2012 - 01:49 .

[SeventyOne]

By the way this thread is spoiler heavy. It should probably move to the spoiler section
But the way this thing works bothers me too.
It is like this beam could assimilate Synths and Orgs, right? So what about animals, how it will bypass those organic forms? Or it will "synthesize" them too? (Cat Reapers? lol)
And how it will seek the organic candidates for the joining?
And this beam will travel only to systems with mass relays? What about systems with organic life (colonies, primitive organic life forms, mining/science stations etc.) without relays, how it will travel there?
And why, by the way, the leader of the Reapers ignored the Synthesis option in the first place, and chose to do the elimination cycles? Assuming that the Reapers have the technology to build this instrument, it will be easier for them to assimilate instead of killing the organics, with only rebuilding all that is destroyed after.

The more i think about this possibility, the more i agree with those calling out for space magic.
I hope i ll get a clarification on this.

[Sgt Stryker]

SeventyOne wrote...

By the way this thread is spoiler heavy. It should probably move to the spoiler section
But the way this thing works bothers me too.
It is like this beam could assimilate Synths and Orgs, right? So what about animals, how it will bypass those organic forms? Or it will "synthesize" them too? (Cat Reapers? lol)
And how it will seek the organic candidates for the joining?
And this beam will travel only to systems with mass relays? What about systems with organic life (colonies, primitive organic life forms, mining/science stations etc.) without relays, how it will travel there?
And why, by the way, the leader of the Reapers ignored the Synthesis option in the first place, and chose to do the elimination cycles? Assuming that the Reapers have the technology to build this instrument, it will be easier for them to assimilate instead of killing the organics, with only rebuilding all that is destroyed after.

The more i think about this possibility, the more i agree with those calling out for space magic.
I hope i ll get a clarification on this.

What about plants? Does this mean turians and quarians can now do photosynthesis and don't need to worry about being stranded in Sol anymore? 

Modifié par Sgt Stryker, 26 mars 2012 - 01:51 .

[Anaki86]

This whole "Space Magic" thing is annoying. We don't know how the Crucible works, but it is explained that it uses Dark Matter in some way. Dark Matter is essential in structure forming and galaxy evolution. Basically the crucible uses science that is beyond even the comprehension of Mass Effect's civilization. What is magic but science that we don't understand? Besides all Sci-Fi requires a certain suspension of disbelief.

[MalevoIence]

Eh, I think the green space magic is nano machines, they get on your body and VIOLENTLY DRILLS INTO YOU, but it's so sudden you hardly notice them till eventually your chemistry is intermingled with the Reapers' technology.

[o Ventus]

Anaki86 wrote...

This whole "Space Magic" thing is annoying. We don't know how the Crucible works, but it is explained that it uses Dark Matter in some way. Dark Matter is essential in structure forming and galaxy evolution. Basically the crucible uses science that is beyond even the comprehension of Mass Effect's civilization. What is magic but science that we don't understand? Besides all Sci-Fi requires a certain suspension of disbelief.

No. Magic is what Harry Potter does by waving his hands and shouting some words.

Science is, by definition, finding out how things work by experiments.

There is nothing scientific by morphing everyone into mini-Reapers.

[translationninja]

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

Sorry, I get the complaints about the ending, about why it was bad
writing I really do, but space magic? Why are we calling it that, and
why is it bad? I thought that the Reapers were according to Sovereign be
at least somewhat beyond our comprehension. You know what I think? I
think that Bioware would have been ****ed either way. By not explaining
how the catalyst works people are going to call it ridiculous space
magic, and if they did explain it then people would instead by whine
that Bioware have explained too much and that Bioware ****ing forgot
that the Reapers weren't supposed to be comprehensible. The unknowable
has always been a big part of Mass Effect since the begininng. In ME1 nobody knew a thing of the Reapers, the keepers or relays and the big Thorian plant had all of the
best scientists totally stumped. In ME2 the collectors had managed to
build a base in the centre of the galaxy despite the fact that it was
meant to entirely inaccessible from the outside. And in ME3 it's this whole synthesis "space
magic". If nothing else synthesising with a big green light is consistent with the whole mysteriousness of Mass Effect but whether it was good writing which made for a satisfactory story is beside the point

I politely point you to the very well written thread detailing all the announcements made by Casey and cohorts about what the endings would and wouldn't be. With my apologies for being too lazy to look it up yet once again.

It's space magic because promise over promise again and again they stated they would explain everything an deliver answers.

[Zalbik]

Green space magic for happy happy time 

[Heimdall]

o Ventus wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

Obviously they wouldn't take it that far.  They were actually indoctrinating governments on Earth to try and order the resistance to stand down and using them to gather people up to harvest.

Where was this ever stated?

Or are you just making things up?

Diana Allers

Or it might have been an overheard conversation or broadcast on the Citadel, I don't quite remember which, but I'm not making it up.

Modifié par Lord Aesir, 26 mars 2012 - 02:08 .

[Anaki86]

o Ventus wrote...

Anaki86 wrote...

This whole "Space Magic" thing is annoying. We don't know how the Crucible works, but it is explained that it uses Dark Matter in some way. Dark Matter is essential in structure forming and galaxy evolution. Basically the crucible uses science that is beyond even the comprehension of Mass Effect's civilization. What is magic but science that we don't understand? Besides all Sci-Fi requires a certain suspension of disbelief.

No. Magic is what Harry Potter does by waving his hands and shouting some words.

Science is, by definition, finding out how things work by experiments.

There is nothing scientific by morphing everyone into mini-Reapers.

Some how I think you misunderstood what I'm saying. Let me give you and example: take a story about a guy who time travels to the past and brings his smartphone with him, obviously it couldn't make a call with out a cell tower, but lets say that it still has enough charge to play Angry Birds (or whatever) and a person from that time sees it. They might believe it to be some kind of magic simply because they do not understand. 

My point being I'm not talking about real magic. I'm saying that the Crucible is using advanced science that is beyond what we know.

[o Ventus]

Lord Aesir wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

Obviously they wouldn't take it that far.  They were actually indoctrinating governments on Earth to try and order the resistance to stand down and using them to gather people up to harvest.

Where was this ever stated?

Or are you just making things up?

Diana Allers

Or it might have been an overheard conversation or broadcast on the Citadel, I don't quite remember which...

Find it then.

[PaddlePop]

Space Magic fills in the plot holes with rainbows...

[o Ventus]

Anaki86 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Anaki86 wrote...

This whole "Space Magic" thing is annoying. We don't know how the Crucible works, but it is explained that it uses Dark Matter in some way. Dark Matter is essential in structure forming and galaxy evolution. Basically the crucible uses science that is beyond even the comprehension of Mass Effect's civilization. What is magic but science that we don't understand? Besides all Sci-Fi requires a certain suspension of disbelief.

No. Magic is what Harry Potter does by waving his hands and shouting some words.

Science is, by definition, finding out how things work by experiments.

There is nothing scientific by morphing everyone into mini-Reapers.

Some how I think you misunderstood what I'm saying. Let me give you and example: take a story about a guy who time travels to the past and brings his smartphone with him, obviously it couldn't make a call with out a cell tower, but lets say that it still has enough charge to play Angry Birds (or whatever) and a person from that time sees it. They might believe it to be some kind of magic simply because they do not understand. 

My point being I'm not talking about real magic. I'm saying that the Crucible is using advanced science that is beyond what we know.

It wouldn't be beyond what we know if we built it.

[Anaki86]

o Ventus wrote...

Anaki86 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Anaki86 wrote...

This whole "Space Magic" thing is annoying. We don't know how the Crucible works, but it is explained that it uses Dark Matter in some way. Dark Matter is essential in structure forming and galaxy evolution. Basically the crucible uses science that is beyond even the comprehension of Mass Effect's civilization. What is magic but science that we don't understand? Besides all Sci-Fi requires a certain suspension of disbelief.

No. Magic is what Harry Potter does by waving his hands and shouting some words.

Science is, by definition, finding out how things work by experiments.

There is nothing scientific by morphing everyone into mini-Reapers.

Some how I think you misunderstood what I'm saying. Let me give you and example: take a story about a guy who time travels to the past and brings his smartphone with him, obviously it couldn't make a call with out a cell tower, but lets say that it still has enough charge to play Angry Birds (or whatever) and a person from that time sees it. They might believe it to be some kind of magic simply because they do not understand. 

My point being I'm not talking about real magic. I'm saying that the Crucible is using advanced science that is beyond what we know.

It wouldn't be beyond what we know if we built it.

It wouldn't be if we had created it ourselves. We built it from plans passed down through countless civilizations. We only knew it used Dark Matter, but not a damn clue what it actually did.

[Heimdall]

o Ventus wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

Obviously they wouldn't take it that far.  They were actually indoctrinating governments on Earth to try and order the resistance to stand down and using them to gather people up to harvest.

Where was this ever stated?

Or are you just making things up?

Diana Allers

Or it might have been an overheard conversation or broadcast on the Citadel, I don't quite remember which...

Find it then.

I can't, I don't have any access to the game for the next week.  So can you tell me where you know the Reapers don't recycle the Husk organs?