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[o Ventus]

Anaki86 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Anaki86 wrote...

Not necessarily. FTL drives still work and they would be able to traverse solar systems. It would just take years instead of minutes.

I'm talking about the people that live in the neighboring star systems near the relays.

Arrival made it perfectly clear what happens.

inb4 different kind of explosion.

1. Show me proof.

2. It's still a massive eezo engine exploding. It will be freaking massive, if not as freaking massive as it was in Arrival.

You're right it is a massive eezo engine exploding. One of the reasons that the Alpha relay had such a massive explosion was because of all of the energy that was released in said explosion.

If you look at the destruction of the relay network at the end of ME3 you can see that the relay expels its energy into the next relay and then falls apart (yes, still a big explosion). Looking at it from that standpoint which every relay is the last in the network to get the energy boost would be the one to destroy it's system. 

I'm not sure about the blue or green endings, but Destroy (red) depicts the relays explosion as very violent. While it may not be the supernova that Arrival depicted, it would still be incredibly destructive. Taking out a couple of planets instead of an entire system.

I guess an analogy would be a grenade instead of an atomic bomb.

[Heimdall]

o Ventus wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Anaki86 wrote...

Not necessarily. FTL drives still work and they would be able to traverse solar systems. It would just take years instead of minutes.

I'm talking about the people that live in the neighboring star systems near the relays.

Arrival made it perfectly clear what happens.

inb4 different kind of explosion.

1. Show me proof.

2. It's still a massive eezo engine exploding. It will be freaking massive, if not as freaking massive as it was in Arrival.

I won't bother.  I have to stop fooling myself that it's possible to reason with people intent on misinterpretting the endings.

Of course, you have nothing to say, so you resort to paraphrasing "you're an idiot".

You're not an idiot, you're belligerent.  I have plenty to say.  I have a link in my signature if you're truly interested in what I think of the ending.

[Anaki86]

Darth_Ultima wrote...

I hate the synthesis ending more then anything. That and I think they should have offered you the choice of either controlling the Reapers but at the cost of your own life or killing them and destroying the Mass Relays in the process. I think EDI and the Geth should have been left out of the equation so as to not ****** off the people who actually made peace with the Geth. Either way good characters have died along the way. It should have ended with a big memorial to all those who died not the Normandy crashing for no reason on some unknown planet.

I liked the synthesis ending, but I do agree with the gist of your idea of control and destroy. 

Though I do have to say that the sacrifice of synthetics through the destroy option makes it a much harder decision to make (especially if you brokered peace).

[Anaki86]

o Ventus wrote...

Anaki86 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Anaki86 wrote...

Not necessarily. FTL drives still work and they would be able to traverse solar systems. It would just take years instead of minutes.

I'm talking about the people that live in the neighboring star systems near the relays.

Arrival made it perfectly clear what happens.

inb4 different kind of explosion.

1. Show me proof.

2. It's still a massive eezo engine exploding. It will be freaking massive, if not as freaking massive as it was in Arrival.

You're right it is a massive eezo engine exploding. One of the reasons that the Alpha relay had such a massive explosion was because of all of the energy that was released in said explosion.

If you look at the destruction of the relay network at the end of ME3 you can see that the relay expels its energy into the next relay and then falls apart (yes, still a big explosion). Looking at it from that standpoint which every relay is the last in the network to get the energy boost would be the one to destroy it's system. 

I'm not sure about the blue or green endings, but Destroy (red) depicts the relays explosion as very violent. While it may not be the supernova that Arrival depicted, it would still be incredibly destructive. Taking out a couple of planets instead of an entire system.

I guess an analogy would be a grenade instead of an atomic bomb.

Oh yeah, I don't doubt that there was a serious amount of damage done. I just don't think it wiped out the entire galaxy.

[o Ventus]

Lord Aesir wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Anaki86 wrote...

Not necessarily. FTL drives still work and they would be able to traverse solar systems. It would just take years instead of minutes.

I'm talking about the people that live in the neighboring star systems near the relays.

Arrival made it perfectly clear what happens.

inb4 different kind of explosion.

1. Show me proof.

2. It's still a massive eezo engine exploding. It will be freaking massive, if not as freaking massive as it was in Arrival.

I won't bother.  I have to stop fooling myself that it's possible to reason with people intent on misinterpretting the endings.

Of course, you have nothing to say, so you resort to paraphrasing "you're an idiot".

You're not an idiot, you're belligerent.  I have plenty to say.  I have a link in my signature if you're truly interested in what I think of the ending.

You're the one who just said that I'm "intent on misunderstanding the endings", but I'm the one being belligerent?

In the words of Roger Ebert (He's wrong about everything else besides this): If you have to ask what something is supposed to represent, then it likely doesn't represent anything.

[Anaki86]

o Ventus wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Anaki86 wrote...

Not necessarily. FTL drives still work and they would be able to traverse solar systems. It would just take years instead of minutes.

I'm talking about the people that live in the neighboring star systems near the relays.

Arrival made it perfectly clear what happens.

inb4 different kind of explosion.

1. Show me proof.

2. It's still a massive eezo engine exploding. It will be freaking massive, if not as freaking massive as it was in Arrival.

I won't bother.  I have to stop fooling myself that it's possible to reason with people intent on misinterpretting the endings.

Of course, you have nothing to say, so you resort to paraphrasing "you're an idiot".

You're not an idiot, you're belligerent.  I have plenty to say.  I have a link in my signature if you're truly interested in what I think of the ending.

You're the one who just said that I'm "intent on misunderstanding the endings", but I'm the one being belligerent?

In the words of Roger Ebert (He's wrong about everything else besides this): If you have to ask what something is supposed to represent, then it likely doesn't represent anything.

So what about the people who didn't have to ask?

[o Ventus]

Anaki86 wrote...
*snip*
So what about the people who didn't have to ask?

Those are the same people placing the weak arguments that Lord Aesir is using.

Also probably the same people that say it's "art".

Modifié par o Ventus, 26 mars 2012 - 05:59 .

[Anaki86]

o Ventus wrote...

Anaki86 wrote...
*snip*
So what about the people who didn't have to ask?

Those are the same people placing the weak arguments that Lord Aesir is using.

Also probably the same people that say it's "art".

So then...me. Excellent. Got it.

[Heimdall]

o Ventus wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Anaki86 wrote...

Not necessarily. FTL drives still work and they would be able to traverse solar systems. It would just take years instead of minutes.

I'm talking about the people that live in the neighboring star systems near the relays.

Arrival made it perfectly clear what happens.

inb4 different kind of explosion.

1. Show me proof.

2. It's still a massive eezo engine exploding. It will be freaking massive, if not as freaking massive as it was in Arrival.

I won't bother.  I have to stop fooling myself that it's possible to reason with people intent on misinterpretting the endings.

Of course, you have nothing to say, so you resort to paraphrasing "you're an idiot".

You're not an idiot, you're belligerent.  I have plenty to say.  I have a link in my signature if you're truly interested in what I think of the ending.

You're the one who just said that I'm "intent on misunderstanding the endings", but I'm the one being belligerent?

In the words of Roger Ebert (He's wrong about everything else besides this): If you have to ask what something is supposed to represent, then it likely doesn't represent anything.

You spent the last few pages trying to attack a logic that you don't even have to agree with for the ending to function.  So, yes, I call you belligerent.

I disagree with that statement and I never asked anyone anything about it.  I just used logical deduction like any rational human being.

Modifié par Lord Aesir, 26 mars 2012 - 06:01 .

[o Ventus]

Lord Aesir wrote...

You spent the last few pages trying to attack a logic that you don't even have to agree with for the ending to function.  So, yes, I call you belligerent.

I disagree with that statement and I never asked anyone anything about it.  I just used logical deduction like any rational human being.

And you spent the same amount of time trying to force your logic down my own throat by justifying the Catalyst's thought process, in spite of NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER to support his points (by extension, yours).

Also, you were wrong about the zha'til.

[Heimdall]

o Ventus wrote...

Anaki86 wrote...
*snip*
So what about the people who didn't have to ask?

Those are the same people placing the weak arguments that Lord Aesir is using.

Then you have a startling ability to get your facts wrong and not refute my arguments.

[o Ventus]

Lord Aesir wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Anaki86 wrote...
*snip*
So what about the people who didn't have to ask?

Those are the same people placing the weak arguments that Lord Aesir is using.

Then you have a startling ability to get your facts wrong and not refute my arguments.

What facts did I get wrong?

The geth didn't rebel. Fact.

The Protheans would have won the Metacon War (I guess they technically did win), if not for the Reapers sudden invasion. Fact.

The zha'til are not a "rebel" AI. Fact.

[Heimdall]

o Ventus wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

You spent the last few pages trying to attack a logic that you don't even have to agree with for the ending to function.  So, yes, I call you belligerent.

I disagree with that statement and I never asked anyone anything about it.  I just used logical deduction like any rational human being.

And you spent the same amount of time trying to force your logic down my own throat by justifying the Catalyst's thought process, in spite of NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER to support his points (by extension, yours).

Also, you were wrong about the zha'til.

I can show you the wiki:

"The zha'til were a synthetic race that existed at the time of the Protheans. They originated when a race known as the zha implanted themselves with symbiotic AI
technology to enhance their intelligence in order to survive as their
homeworld became inhospitable. The AIs, known as zha'til, then seized
control of the bodies of their masters and altered their genetic
material at the deepest level, transforming the zha into synthetic
monsters and their offspring into slaves. The zha'til proceeded to
multiply into "mechanical swarms" that "blotted out the sky". With no
other recourse, the Protheans sent the star of the zha's home system
into supernova, destroying the zha'til entirely.
"

AIs. rebelling against their makers, right there.

I'm forcing nothing down your throat.

[Heimdall]

o Ventus wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Anaki86 wrote...
*snip*
So what about the people who didn't have to ask?

Those are the same people placing the weak arguments that Lord Aesir is using.

Then you have a startling ability to get your facts wrong and not refute my arguments.

What facts did I get wrong?

The geth didn't rebel. Fact.

The Protheans would have won the Metacon War (I guess they technically did win), if not for the Reapers sudden invasion. Fact.

The zha'til are not a "rebel" AI. Fact.

The zha'til are rebel AI, Fact.

[o Ventus]

Lord Aesir wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

You spent the last few pages trying to attack a logic that you don't even have to agree with for the ending to function.  So, yes, I call you belligerent.

I disagree with that statement and I never asked anyone anything about it.  I just used logical deduction like any rational human being.

And you spent the same amount of time trying to force your logic down my own throat by justifying the Catalyst's thought process, in spite of NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER to support his points (by extension, yours).

Also, you were wrong about the zha'til.

I can show you the wiki:

"The zha'til were a synthetic race that existed at the time of the Protheans. They originated when a race known as the zha implanted themselves with symbiotic AI
technology to enhance their intelligence in order to survive as their
homeworld became inhospitable. The AIs, known as zha'til, then seized
control of the bodies of their masters and altered their genetic
material at the deepest level, transforming the zha into synthetic
monsters and their offspring into slaves. The zha'til proceeded to
multiply into "mechanical swarms" that "blotted out the sky". With no
other recourse, the Protheans sent the star of the zha's home system
into supernova, destroying the zha'til entirely.
"

AIs. rebelling against their makers, right there.

I'm forcing nothing down your throat.

I was wrong then. My information was faulty.

My original point still stands though. The zha'til never eradicated organics, which is what the Catalyst is trying to prevent. Like I said earlier, every instance of a synthetic uprising involves the synthetics either making peace with the organics (geth) or becoming destroyed themselves (zha'til).

Modifié par o Ventus, 26 mars 2012 - 06:10 .

[Heimdall]

If you still don't believe me...

[Heimdall]

o Ventus wrote...
I was wrong then. My information was faulty.

My original point still stands though. The zha'til never eradicated organics, which is what the Catalyst is trying to prevent. Like I said earlier, every instance of a synthetic uprising involves the synthetics either making peace with the organics (geth) or becoming destroyed themselves (zha'til).

I was never dsputing that no synthetic species that we know of has managed to wipe out organics.

Modifié par Lord Aesir, 26 mars 2012 - 06:13 .

[EHondaMashButton]

Lord Aesir wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

You spent the last few pages trying to attack a logic that you don't even have to agree with for the ending to function.  So, yes, I call you belligerent.

I disagree with that statement and I never asked anyone anything about it.  I just used logical deduction like any rational human being.

And you spent the same amount of time trying to force your logic down my own throat by justifying the Catalyst's thought process, in spite of NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER to support his points (by extension, yours).

Also, you were wrong about the zha'til.

I can show you the wiki:

"The zha'til were a synthetic race that existed at the time of the Protheans. They originated when a race known as the zha implanted themselves with symbiotic AI
technology to enhance their intelligence in order to survive as their
homeworld became inhospitable. The AIs, known as zha'til, then seized
control of the bodies of their masters and altered their genetic
material at the deepest level, transforming the zha into synthetic
monsters and their offspring into slaves. The zha'til proceeded to
multiply into "mechanical swarms" that "blotted out the sky". With no
other recourse, the Protheans sent the star of the zha's home system
into supernova, destroying the zha'til entirely.
"

AIs. rebelling against their makers, right there.

I'm forcing nothing down your throat.

This is what the wiki actually says.  Nice edits tho

The zha'til[/b] were a synthetic race that existed at the time of the Protheans. They originated when a race known as the zha implanted themselves with symbiotic AI technology to enhance their intelligence in order to survive as their homeworld became inhospitable. When the Reapers arrived, they subjugated the AIs, known as zha'til, who then seized control of the bodies of their masters and altered their genetic material at the deepest level, transforming the zha into synthetic monsters and their offspring into slaves. The zha'til proceeded to multiply into "mechanical swarms" that "blotted out the sky". With no other recourse, the Protheans sent the star of the zha's home system into supernova, destroying the zha'til entirely. 


When the Reapers arrived, they subjugated the AIs, known as zha'til, who then seized control of the bodies of their masters and altered their genetic material at the deepest level, transforming the zha into synthetic monsters and their offspring into slaves.

[EHondaMashButton]

From here: http://masseffect.wi...i/Zeioph#Zeioph

And the way Javik describes it, it could be hijack, or it could be machine upgrades advancing way faster than biology could keep up with.   The guy isn't exactly an unbiased source of information.  Would you trust Tali or Ashley's word on the geth?

Either way, the creators asked for upgrades, and they got them. Its hardly rebelling. I don't see how you could reasonably expect to retain your identity when you introduce a synthetic capable of upgrading itself, into your brain.

It's more like the bacteria in your gut are okay, until you start putting sh%! in your mouth and get e.coli poisoining.

Modifié par EHondaMashButton, 26 mars 2012 - 06:38 .

[tetrisblock4x1]

lolusingawikiasasourceofinformation

[o Ventus]

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

lolusingawikiasasourceofinformation

I think your credibility may have actually gone negative.