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[IntoTheDarkness]

It really depends on loyalty missions, but just try to pick the most loyal/disloyal character in general. Which crew mate do you think will never betray Shepard, and which one will turn at the first chance of betrayal?

edit: I'm NOT talking about romance relationship, but the literal sense of loyalty.

Modifié par IntoTheDarkness, 26 mars 2012 - 01:26 .

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

Well, Jacob cheats on Shepard...

[Dreaming Dead]

I can't see Jack betraying Shepard. I feel like Jack truly appreciates the friendship she has with Shepard and Shep has done a lot for her in ME2. Jack has got to be one of the most loyal. On Earth, when you get to the coms to talk to your ME2 crew in the final battle you can see that Jack was really worried for Shepard..

To me, the most loyal would have to be Garrus and Liara, Joker too. 

The most disloyal.. I'm not sure. I'd say Jacob of what he did in ME3. Samara would most likely betray Shepard if something that Shepard does goes against her code.

Modifié par Dreaming Dead, 26 mars 2012 - 01:20 .

[Crazyjeffy]

Least loyal... probably morinth if you picked her. Maybe Kasumi or Zaeed, too.

Most loyal are Garrus and Tali by far. No one else joined you two games in a row, let alone 3.

[ashwind]

Garrus would be most loyal.

VS least loyal.

Modifié par ashwind, 26 mars 2012 - 01:23 .

[o Ventus]

Well, all of them seem to be pretty loyal...

[forthary]

Least loyal? The top 3 least loyal squadmates from most to least likely to betray you are Kasumi, Jack and Morinth.

Most loyal? Well, its a tie between Garrus and Tali, with either one taking the lead if you have them as a love interest. Behind them, I'd have to say...Joker if you count non-squadmates, Liara if you don't.

[Jake Boone]

Most loyal would be Tali, Garrus, and Joker. They've been through it all. Edit for Chakwas.
Least loyal would be Zaeed. He was paid to run the suicide mission.

Modifié par Jake Boone, 26 mars 2012 - 02:53 .

[frylock23]

Everyone puts Garrus on the loyalty pedastal just because he joins you in two, but I think that's the wrong reason to use. Think about it. When you go after Garrus, he's backed into a corner. He either accepts Shep's help, or he dies. And, even then, he'd have died if Shep hadn't hauled his extremely wounded butt out of that hole he was in. And, you get the impression it was still touch and go once they got him back to Normandy.

Like Shep, Garrus wakes up in a Cerberus controlled facility, surrounded by Cerberus troops. They give him a job offer. What's he going to say? No? Granted, he's helped along by the knowledge that Shep is ostensibly in command and there are familiar faces/voices around in Chakwas and Joker, so he's in less of a difficult position than Shep was in, but he's still sort of in a difficult position to say "no" from.

All that being said, I'd still put Garrus way up there in a loyalty category because he definitely is one of Shep's most trusted.

[Sifr]

Least loyal? I'd say Kasumi, considering that it doesn't seem like she's joking when she says she doesn't want to get roped into another suicide mission and it takes a lot of cajooling for her to even to agree to work on the Crucible.

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

Jake Boone wrote...

Most loyal would be Tali, Garrus, and Joker. They've been through it all.

Dr. Chakwas is sad at your exclusion of her.

[4stringwizard]

Garrus, Tali, Joker, and Dr. Chakwas. They're the only ones that stuck by Shepard the entire time.

[coldwetn0se]

Most loyal Thane, then Tali/Garrus, and Jack.
my .02

[Shaknbac0n]

From the way I've seen it, pretty much everyone who serves/has served on Shepard's crew is more or less loyal to Shepard.

Most loyal are Garrus, Tali, Joker, and Liara. Garrus, Tali, Dr. Chakwas and Joker because they've been at your side through all three games, and they were willing to work with Cerberus just because you were. And Liara because she went through all kinds of hell to recover your body from the Shadow Broker on the off chance that you can come back to life (which you do), all because she was desperate not to lose you.

Least loyal would have to be Morinth (if you recruit her), because it's pretty clear that she's just using you so she can live to claim more victims, and one of them could be you!

Modifié par Shaknbac0n, 26 mars 2012 - 01:47 .

[Felene]

Most loyal, hands down Garrus.

Least loyal, Mornith.

[CheeseEnchilada]

Completely depends on your game, and how you see the characters. I spent hours doing sidequests in ME2--I'd say they're all pretty loyal after that.

Modifié par CheeseEnchilada, 26 mars 2012 - 01:56 .

[AnthonyF27]

Squadmates:
1. Garrus
2. Tali
3. Liara

If you include overall crew, I would have to put Joker as #1 or #2.  

Modifié par AnthonyF27, 26 mars 2012 - 02:58 .

[LadyofRivendell]

I think that completely depends on how you play your Shep. Every loyalty has its limits, though. If I wanted to go crazy and execute everyone on the Citadel, I don't think any of the crew would stand beside me. If I wanted to face the Reapers on foot, head on, I could see the loyalest of my squad following me to the end.

Anyways, the way I see it for my Shep:
Undying loyalty: Liara, Garrus, Kaidan, Wrex, Ashley, Joker

Not extremely loyal/Questionable: Javik (has his own issues, doesn't really know you), Tali (puts her people first and foremost), Miranda (she's one of my favorites, but I can still see her heel-turning should the need arise), Jacob (for duh reasons), Morinth (only out for herself), Samara (her top priority is following her code), Kasumi (self-priorities), Zaeed (doesn't really seem to care)

That's just how I see it with my character, obviously you guys have different views and opinions depending on how you play.

[jameshawking]

Undying loyalty?

Liara, Tali, Garrus, Joker, Chawkwas, EDI (you're the only one who makes me feel alive, Shepard), and Javik (if you're the right Shepard). He does call you an avatar of victory, after all.

And Anderon and Hackett.

Least?

Kasumi, Zaeed, Jacob, Virmire Survivor, Diana Allers

[devSin]

LadyofRivendell wrote...

Undying loyalty: Liara, Garrus, Kaidan, Wrex, Ashley, Joker

I would agree with this except for Wrex. Liara and VS will walk into fire for you, and I think Garrus would too. Joker will take your ship and run away and leave you to die, but that's because the writers are terrible, not because he's disloyal.

But I think Wrex will smack you if you get in his way (and this is proved if you sabotage the cure), to the point where you may even have had to kill him on Virmire.

I would have swapped Tali and Wrex in your list.

I don't think Kasumi would actively betray Shepard (at least not when it truly mattered), although she obviously has a life beyond whatever you're doing at the time. Samara also seems loyal to me (she's not going to turn against you, unless you make her).

Zaeed and Javik would probably be the least loyal. Javik is totally alien, and Zaeed knows better than to be loyal. Morinth is quite obviously a sociopath.

Miranda and Jacob are wildcards. I don't think they're actively "disloyal", but I wouldn't consider them loyal to Shepard beyond friendship and trust.

Modifié par devSin, 26 mars 2012 - 03:39 .

[Golden Owl]

Undying Loyal: Garrus, Joker, Chakwas, Hackett, Anderson, (Wrex after the Genophage cure), EDI, Thane.

Least Loyal: Miranda, Morinth, Zaeed.

Questionable: Liara, Tali, Jacob.

Modifié par Golden Owl, 26 mars 2012 - 03:55 .

[Spetulhu]

Zaeed is a mercenary but he did go on that suicide mission - I'd say once the price has been set he's as loyal as any of the other top choices. You don't become the guy Cerberus hires to help against the Collectors if you have a habit of doublecrossing or simply walking out on an employer.

[LadyofRivendell]

devSin wrote...

LadyofRivendell wrote...

Undying loyalty: Liara, Garrus, Kaidan, Wrex, Ashley, Joker

I would agree with this except for Wrex. Liara and VS will walk into fire for you, and I think Garrus would too. Joker will take your ship and run away and leave you to die, but that's because the writers are terrible, not because he's disloyal.

But I think Wrex will smack you if you get in his way (and this is proved if you sabotage the cure), to the point where you may even have had to kill him on Virmire.

I would have swapped Tali and Wrex in your list.

I don't think Kasumi would actively betray Shepard (at least not when it truly mattered), although she obviously has a life beyond whatever you're doing at the time. Samara also seems loyal to me (she's not going to turn against you, unless you make her).

Zaeed and Javik would probably be the least loyal. Javik is totally alien, and Zaeed knows better than to be loyal. Morinth is quite obviously a sociopath.

Miranda and Jacob are wildcards. I don't think they're actively "disloyal", but I wouldn't consider them loyal to Shepard beyond friendship and trust.

Ah, I don't know exactly what Wrex does as I haven't ever pushed him too much. His line, "You're a sister to me," is pretty much what made me put him on the list. Of course, if I were going to destroy his entire race, I'd expect him to shotgun me in the face, but any of your squad could be expected to do that if you purposely threatened something near and dear to them.

Tali, for some reason, I just don't like much. Between that and having to really persuade her that the Quarians were to blame and could be redeemed, I don't feel as though I could expect her to be completely loyal. That's just my take on her character, however.

Kasumi is a bit on the shady side. Sure, she wouldn't stab you in the back just to steal your wallet, but I can't get past the feeling that she would be willing to screw you over if dire situation called. She's sort of flakey either way, in my eyes. 


I'd just like to say, for the 400th time, just how amazing BW is at creating characters. The fact that different people can view the characters in different lights and discuss them to such length really says a lot about how deep BW has made them.

[devSin]

LadyofRivendell wrote...

Ah, I don't know exactly what Wrex does as I haven't ever pushed him too much. His line, "You're a sister to me," is pretty much what made me put him on the list. Of course, if I were going to destroy his entire race, I'd expect him to shotgun me in the face, but any of your squad could be expected to do that if you purposely threatened something near and dear to them.

But when you do it to Tali, she actually apologizes to you and goes cliff-diving.

Wrex comes after you if you mess with the krogan. He respects you, and he trusts you, but he's not going to put up with the shady business.

It's probably unfair (I don't think he'd betray you, certainly not if you've been straight with him in ME and ME2), but his loyalty won't extend to letting you screw him over.

Whereas Tali couldn't bring herself to oppose you, even when you barge in working with Cerberus, even when you stand on her homeworld and give the geth the go-ahead to massacre her entire species.

[LadyofRivendell]

Tali jumps off a cliff? That's... extreme.

I do see your point, though. He (Wrex) places priority for his people far above priority for Shepard. If I tripped and fell off a cliff at the same time as Eve, I have no doubt he'd dive to save her instead of me, purely out of instinct.

Modifié par LadyofRivendell, 26 mars 2012 - 05:13 .