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[lomifeh]

If you romance Tali you see that she is utterly loyal. She leaves the fleet to be with you. One Rannoch she won't stop you either just asks you not to do so. Otherwise Garrus and Liara from the squad. Crew i would say joker and chakwas. The conversation if you drink the brandy with her in me3 shows how she feels regarding you.

[Neria Rose]

Most loyal: Garrus.
Most disloyal: Morinth (though I still love the character).

[CptData]

lomifeh wrote...

If you romance Tali you see that she is utterly loyal. She leaves the fleet to be with you. One Rannoch she won't stop you either just asks you not to do so. Otherwise Garrus and Liara from the squad. Crew i would say joker and chakwas. The conversation if you drink the brandy with her in me3 shows how she feels regarding you.

Tali is "naturally" loyal towars the flotilla but also towards Shepard - as seen in ME2. Same for ME3. Her loyalty is UNQUESTIONABLE towards her people - if you romance Tali and side with the Geth, she'll commit suicide too. The only way to keep her is to make peace or side with the Geth.

[Eire Icon]

Most Loyal is Tali
Least Loyal is Morinth

[KotorEffect3]

Most: Team Dextro

Least:VS, Horizon was one thing but that crap on Mars was the final straw.

[Demonhoopa]

IntoTheDarkness wrote...



It really depends on loyalty missions, but just try to pick the most loyal/disloyal character in general. Which crew mate do you think will never betray Shepard, and which one will turn at the first chance of betrayal?

edit: I'm NOT talking about romance relationship, but the literal sense of loyalty.

I trust Ashley about as far as I can throw a Greyhound bus.

I'd be most comfortable with Garrus, Liara or Tali watching my back.

Modifié par Demonhoopa, 27 mars 2012 - 08:20 .

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

Quote from ME3: "You two have been with me longer than most. You believed in me when nobody else did. Thanks."

That says it all, I think.

[darthnick427]

Most Loyal: Garrus, Tali, and Liara
Least Loyal: Morinth and Ash tbh

[CptData]

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

Quote from ME3: "You two have been with me longer than most. You believed in me when nobody else did. Thanks."

That says it all, I think.

Yeah, BW kinda enjoys to kick the bucket into VS fans faces.
At least it feels a bit like that. Sorry if I'm wrong here.

Modifié par CptData, 27 mars 2012 - 08:32 .

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

CptData wrote...

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

Quote from ME3: "You two have been with me longer than most. You believed in me when nobody else did. Thanks."

That says it all, I think.

Yeah, BW kinda enjoys to kick the bucket into VS fans faces.
At least it feels a bit like that. Sorry if I'm wrong here.

Well, it's nothing compared to those Jacob fans.

[CptData]

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

Well, it's nothing compared to those Jacob fans.

True. It's even worse. Technically, everyone gets the bucket in the face. Except that someone is a fan of Garrus or Liara.

Popularity contests suck. Jack was right.

[Demonhoopa]

CptData wrote...

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

Quote from ME3: "You two have been with me longer than most. You believed in me when nobody else did. Thanks."

That says it all, I think.

Yeah, BW kinda enjoys to kick the bucket into VS fans faces.
At least it feels a bit like that. Sorry if I'm wrong here.

VS deverves it. Especially Ash.

Reg Jacob, my Shepard in my second playthrough romanced Jacob and I had no problem with it. These things happen and it felt a lot like real life. Jacob, basically telling Shepard no, and how poorly my renegade handled it, taking leave of her dignity for a moment, really humanized her. She kills Reapers but still got her ass kicked by love like the rest of us.

I was fine with it. His romance felt very temporary in ME2 anyway. He was pretty clear he wanted to keep it light.

CptData wrote...

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

Well, it's nothing compared to those Jacob fans.

True. It's even worse. Technically, everyone gets the bucket in the face. Except that someone is a fan of Garrus or Liara.

Popularity contests suck. Jack was right.

I thought the Kaidan romance was very well done. Hell I can't stand the guy (which is irrelavent, my character I used my first playthrough loved him very much so I had to grin and bear it), but still found the romance, and their final conversation at the staging area in London, to be very touching.

Modifié par Demonhoopa, 27 mars 2012 - 10:16 .

[CptData]

^ funny you say "Ash deserves that" - and a line later you claim Jacob's stuff happen in R/L.
Just for the record: Ash & Kaidan share pretty much the same role in ME2 / ME3 storywise.
Both - Kaidan and Ashley - are loyal members of the Alliance. Would you allow a fellow soldier to drop his gun and join a terrorist organization 'cause his former superior officer did it - and tried to recruit them?
Hell no ...
Happens in R/L. Think about it ...

No character deserves to be shafted. 'xept Morinth maybe, but she never was developed as full character anyway. It's about roleplay, hmm? I RP my game with Ash - you without. Respect each other - and we might keep the fights away long enough to convince BW to deliver some better endings and more stuff for -any- LI.

*paragon attempt... failed?*

Modifié par CptData, 27 mars 2012 - 10:26 .

[Emeraldfern]

Like many pointed out it's different depending on how you play the game but for me the list would be this (All loyalty quests done in ME2 and Paragon):

Über-Loyal:
Thane (I know "romance" not withstanding but even when he's not romanced he won't betray you)
Garrus (He's sticking with Shepard 'til the end. Even calls VS out on Horizon for not trusting you)
Tali (Even when finding out you work with Cerberus she does'nt distrust you, only Cerberus)
Liara (Got your body back from the Shadow Broker and left you with Cerberus to be resurrected)
Wrex (He can betray you if you tamper with the genophage cure which you actually do twice: in ME1 and again in ME3)
Chakwas
Joker

Loyal:
Miranda
Mordin
Samara
Legion
Grunt
Edi
Jack
Ken & Gabby

Semi Loyal:
Kasumi
Jacob
Javik
James
VS

Neutral:
Zaeed

Disloyal:
Morinth

Gah, I couldn't keep it short! Oh well...

Modifié par Emeraldfern, 27 mars 2012 - 10:39 .

[Demonhoopa]

CptData wrote...

^ funny you say "Ash deserves that" - and a line later you claim Jacob's stuff happen in R/L.
Just for the record: Ash & Kaidan share pretty much the same role in ME2 / ME3 storywise.
Both - Kaidan and Ashley - are loyal members of the Alliance. Would you allow a fellow soldier to drop his gun and join a terrorist organization 'cause his former superior officer did it - and tried to recruit them?
Hell no ...
Happens in R/L. Think about it ...

No character deserves to be shafted. 'xept Morinth maybe, but she never was developed as full character anyway. It's about roleplay, hmm? I RP my game with Ash - you without. Respect each other - and we might keep the fights away long enough to convince BW to deliver some better endings and more stuff for -any- LI.

*paragon attempt... failed?*

In Ashley's case, I think she definitely owed Shepard the benefit of the doubt in the minutes following Shep saving her life for the SECOND TIME. She should have heard Shepard out. She OWED her that much.

And listening to her give my Paragon Shepard crap through much of Mass Effect 3 with all her little Cerberus comments just topped it all off. Luckily for Ash, Fiona has the patience of Job so things were eventually all good between them.
 
Might not go so well in playthrough #4 since Sam is a renegade b*tch on wheels and she will in all likelyhood, not even invite Ash to join the Normandy (assuming Ash even survives pointing a gun at her on the Citadel).

[RilantheFirebug]

Tom Lehrer wrote...

I can see how some think the VS is not loyal due to how they act in ME2 and the first part of 3 but they are willing to step aside and let you kill a council member.

True, but surely the VS knows you will mow them down if they don't step aside...

[Jestina]

Ash---Don't you work for Cerberus. Are you a Cerberus spy? Didn't Cerberus turn you into a husk. I can't trust you because you work for Cerberus. You led Cerberus here...oh meh gawd.

And in the first game it was her rants about working with aliens.

[Demonhoopa]

Jestina wrote...

Ash---Don't you work for Cerberus. Are you a Cerberus spy? Didn't Cerberus turn you into a husk. I can't trust you because you work for Cerberus. You led Cerberus here...oh meh gawd.

And in the first game it was her rants about working with aliens.

This this this and..............this.

[Vovea]

Liara and Garrus get sparkly gold stars for loyalty. Tali would put her people first, though it proves how loyal she is to Shepard for joining him/her twice despite that.

I never really felt Jacob was loyal to Shepard in the first place and no recoloured armor skin is changing my mind, even if I did like him well enough.

[RazerPhoenix]

The VS is a complicated one...

They have unquestionable loyalty to the Shepard they fought alongside to stop Saren, the Shepard they stole the original Normandy with, the Shepard they watched die...

It isn't that they no longer trust Shepard after his return, the issue is how do they know that this person who returned is actually the same Shepard they knew from before.

When someone they believed to have been dead for over two years shows up out of the blue and working for what is essentially a terrorist organisation, you really can't fault them for being skeptical.

Liara remained loyal to Shepard the whole time, no one can doubt that, but she at least had the benefit of being involved in the process of Shepards return, she knew Cerberus were trying to rebuild him, it wasn't a suprise to her. The VS didn't have that luxury.

Once the VS has time to really get to know Shepard again and realise he is infact the same person he was before, they are more than willing to follow him to the ends of the earth again.

Modifié par RazerPhoenix, 27 mars 2012 - 11:54 .

[iM4pt2]

I think a lot of it depends on the way you played 'your' Shepard and what type of person they were. It also depends on what point of the story you're talking about. During ME1 Wrex was always a bit of a gamble to me. If Shepard earns his trust by saving his people, however, I think Wrex would move planets to help you. So long as it's not Tuchanka

I rolled a mostly paragon Shep (stay away from him in the morning) who ended up with Kaiden at the end of the story. For me it ended up like this:


Uber Loyal (believes in you no matter what)

Garrus
Liara

Super Loyal (will always trust you to do the right thing)

Tali
Joker
Chakwas

Highly Loyal (will always have your back)

Kaiden
Anderson
Wrex
Grunt
EDI
Jack

Loyal (believes in you but has thier own ideals/ motives/ responsibilities)

Ashley
Miranda
Mordin
Samara
Kasumi
Legion

Trustworthy (believes you're the one who can get the job done)

Hacket
Vega
Jacob
Cortez
Traynor

Neutral (will follow you...for now)

Zaeed
Javik

Disloyal (DO NOT TRUST!!!)

Morinth
Dr. Kenson
Chobot

Modifié par iM4pt2, 28 mars 2012 - 02:09 .

[Demonhoopa]

RazerPhoenix wrote...

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When someone they believed to have been dead for over two years shows up out of the blue and working for what is essentially a terrorist organisation, you really can't fault them for being skeptical.

.

That I agree with. Skeptical I can understand. But that wasn't Skepticism on Horizon. VS turned their back on Shepard.  

First time I played ME2, I was looking for a "rant" dialogue option:

"Kaidan, I'm so sorry that me getting spaced and suffocating to DEATH is causing YOU so much distress. I'm sorry that  me waking up in a hospital all scarred up and looking like Frankenstein instead of a girl, and discovering that I've lost everything and that F*cking Cerberus was responsible for giving me my life back is so hard on YOU. It MUST be hard on you seeing as you can't be bothered to give me 5 minutes of your time to hear me out.

So don't even worry about the fact that now I'm having to stand here and have a man that I was just with a matter of weeks ago to my memory (one that CLAIMED to love me), look at me like he hates me without so much as giving me an opportunity to explain how impossible a situation I woke up to. No really, don't worry about it I'm fine. Thanks for asking. 

Also, thanks a million for being so staunchly loyal to the Alliance that you're willing to overlook the fact that they smeared my name post mortem and painted me to be deluded about the Reaper threat. No really it's okay, because I have two engineers on my ship, that had never even MET me, that told the Alliance to go stuff it when they danced all over my grave with their lies.

Don't worry, it's all good. You and the Alliance can go along your merry way being the "good guys" while you ignore the Reaper threat AND the Collectors. I'll be with my REAL friends when I go through the Omega 4 relay, probably to my death, to save all your asses. Again.

But I'm the "terrorist". F*ck you. Have a nice life".


As hard as I looked, I couldn't find that dialogue option.

Modifié par Demonhoopa, 28 mars 2012 - 12:49 .

[Liraelx]

Demonhoopa wrote...

First time I played ME2, I was looking for a "rant" dialogue option

A lot of conversations in game would be improved by this option!

[Shajar]

Garrus and Tali probably most loyal friends Shep can ever get
Garrus is best friend for Shepard and Tali best LI for my shepard, both follow you no matter what happens except Quarian extinct.
Tali always follows Shepard even when you rewrite Geths, get her exiled/ruin her family name etc...

Least Loyals
I think would be Ashley, Kaidan and Liara
Ash/Kaidan questions many times Shepard and never really "forgive" him even when they say it, it just does not sound truth.
Liara just see Shepard interesting because Prothean beacons and fame, She dont care if Shepard gets hurt during gameplay. She only does/done what effects on her life and not others. You can see this easily on ME1 beacon questions, Shadow Broker dlc, she just uses Shepard to her dirty work and when Thessia is burning. She cries about it and does not really seems to be caring that others lost/losing their homes too.

As for Morinth, i think she could have become very loyal. It was big choice and chance to given her when Shep chooses her instead Samara

Modifié par Shajar, 28 mars 2012 - 01:00 .

[LadyofRivendell]

CptData wrote...

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

Quote from ME3: "You two have been with me longer than most. You believed in me when nobody else did. Thanks."

That says it all, I think.

Yeah, BW kinda enjoys to kick the bucket into VS fans faces.
At least it feels a bit like that. Sorry if I'm wrong here.

I feel like that a bit at times, between BW and all the hate the two receive on the forums. 


I never once got mad at either Ashley or Kaidan, they were perfectly loyal throughout ME1, loyal enough to throw their lives down for the sake of the mission. Throughout the entire game, I got the feeling that they were the two who had the most unquestionable loyalty - though a lot of that could be due to emphasis on their character development versus others. 

ME2, I didn't get mad at Kaidan on Horizon. Sure, I was depressed, but I agreed with him wholeheartedly. He couldn't just up and leave the Alliance even if he wanted to, especially to go working with a terrorist organization, no matter how noble their intentions seemed. Keep in mind, the Alliance actually thought Cerberus was to blame for the abductions. they knew nothing about the Collectors. 

ME3, I don't get it. Kaidan brings up the question of Cerberus three times on Mars: The first, a side comment which Shep sarcastically brushes off. The second, an accusation, to which my Shep responded in a somewhat hurt tone. The third, not so much an accusation as a true concern, to which my Shep joked/flirted with him a bit and playfully punched him on the arm. After that, nothing. He didn't believe Udina during the Coup, he stood down without any persuasion, and put a bullet through Udina's heart. Afterwards, he only ever questioned himself. And the line during the Cerberus base assault, "You're real enough for me," seems to prove his loyalty by turning the tables and having Shep question herself and Kaidan comfort her.

Is Ashley or an unromanced Kaidan really that different? Because I'm seeing no justification for all the "Ash/Kaidan doesn't trust me!" claims.

/rant/

Modifié par LadyofRivendell, 28 mars 2012 - 01:06 .