Playin through ME1-3 again andf honestly, this came to mind.
If I was on the council, or anyone in the ME universe for that matter, Id think Shepard had gone crazy from all these near death situations hes been in throughout his life.
Think of this, your sitting in your office and a person from another department kicks down your door "RUN! space monstors are coming to eat us all! GAAAH!". wouldn't you think "holy ----, he is crazy"
Honestly, I agree with the Council.
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Posté 26 mars 2012 - 02:07
Heimdall
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I've argued that since Mass Effect 2.
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Posté 26 mars 2012 - 02:08
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The first battle of the Citadel is the only tangible counter argument... but it is a pretty hefty one.
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Posté 26 mars 2012 - 02:09
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I really wanted to see Shepard tell them " I told you so" 
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Posté 26 mars 2012 - 02:09
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Honestly, yes, I would think they are crazy. However, part of me (probably bored with my life) would secretly hope they were telling the truth.
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Posté 26 mars 2012 - 02:10
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Yeah, but all that can really be proven is that it's an advanced ship. There isn't even proof it was crewed by anything other than Geth.Volus Warlord wrote...
The first battle of the Citadel is the only tangible counter argument... but it is a pretty hefty one.
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Posté 26 mars 2012 - 02:10
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It's not that the Council isn't justified in their skepticism, it's that they are consistently skeptical of absolutely everything Shepard says. And he's proven right. Again and again. And again. Every single bit of intel he has given them has turned out to be absolutely correct.
After a while, if your most talented agent keeps saying crazy things and is never proven wrong on any account that can be independently verified, you start to look kinda arbitrary for not at least considering his other claims.
After a while, if your most talented agent keeps saying crazy things and is never proven wrong on any account that can be independently verified, you start to look kinda arbitrary for not at least considering his other claims.
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Posté 26 mars 2012 - 02:15
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My Shep is a Thomas Jefferson kinda a gal, no taxation no representation, and the representation ain't much.
When Shepard took control of the citidel ( ending of me1) first thing I would have Shepard do is stack the council with majority humans, rope in the volus, elcor and hanar as partners ( since they are discriminated against.) then I would have extended a seat seats but non- voting prilivages to the Quarians.
With this political support I would have declared war on the geth ( Shepard had no intel on non-indoc geth) and the reapers. The Quarians would have joined me in this fight ( against the geth but really the reapers.) then I would have shown people video evidence of sovereign, and would have presented findings of scientists showing that sovereign design is not geth.
Long story short, Shepard should have done a "ceasar" took supreme command and then when the reapers actually did invade everyone would have been ready.
When Shepard took control of the citidel ( ending of me1) first thing I would have Shepard do is stack the council with majority humans, rope in the volus, elcor and hanar as partners ( since they are discriminated against.) then I would have extended a seat seats but non- voting prilivages to the Quarians.
With this political support I would have declared war on the geth ( Shepard had no intel on non-indoc geth) and the reapers. The Quarians would have joined me in this fight ( against the geth but really the reapers.) then I would have shown people video evidence of sovereign, and would have presented findings of scientists showing that sovereign design is not geth.
Long story short, Shepard should have done a "ceasar" took supreme command and then when the reapers actually did invade everyone would have been ready.
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Posté 26 mars 2012 - 02:17
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There was plenty of evidence for the reapers, the skepticism of the council again and again did not feel realistic to me, but was good for drama.
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Posté 26 mars 2012 - 02:19
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Same I was dissapointed. But I agreed with them in 3 for their reassons not going to Earth, and their lack of preparation showed.Zalbik wrote...
I really wanted to see Shepard tell them " I told you so"
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Posté 26 mars 2012 - 02:19
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Evidence such as... What besides Shepard's word?Vulcan101 wrote...
There was plenty of evidence for the reapers, the skepticism of the council again and again did not feel realistic to me, but was good for drama.
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Posté 26 mars 2012 - 02:21
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I could understand their skepticism up until the Battle of the Citadel. At which point all bets are off.
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Posté 26 mars 2012 - 02:24
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not really "Robots being Lead by former special ops" is far more believable then "Space Monstors that eat Organics to reproduce"LegionMan wrote...
not really
I could understand their skepticism up until the Battle of the Citadel. At which point all bets are off.
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Posté 26 mars 2012 - 02:24
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It's a big plot point that there really isn't any evidence other than Shepard's word. Vigil shuts down after you leave Ilos. Sovereign and Saren are dead. The heretic geth don't communicate with non-indoctrinated organics. The beacon on Eden Prime was destroyed. Liara's evidence for the galactic extinction cycle theory is based on her gut feeling and not on specific objective evidence.
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Posté 26 mars 2012 - 02:25
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If he'd just recorded what Vigil had said...
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Posté 26 mars 2012 - 02:29
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Zalbik wrote...
I really wanted to see Shepard tell them " I told you so"
This. THIS X100.
My first PT I was thinking: "Alright, there HAS to be a renegade interupt where you can punch that Turian bastard. Or at least yell at him.".
Son, I am dissapoint.
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Posté 26 mars 2012 - 02:31
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Aesieru wrote...
If he'd just recorded what Vigil had said...
After the Virmire world when the council dismisses what you have just said again, if you talk with Ashley about it she mentions that your suits record things.
It's a jaw dropping line because it means ALL the conversations that Shepard has had between him and Sovereign, him and Saren, him and the Prothean VI Vigil...all of it IS recorded.
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Posté 26 mars 2012 - 02:32
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I saw the chance to get rid of them so I took it. Spent all of ME1 trolling them, I disconnected every conversation with them since I don't like talking ignorant people.
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Posté 26 mars 2012 - 02:32
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Aesieru wrote...
If he'd just recorded what Vigil had said...
Yeah, IIRC Ash has a comment about the body armor in ME1.
And I remember many discussions about that topic around these parts.
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Posté 26 mars 2012 - 02:40
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Shepard to the Turian
" You Turians are honorouble people. Saren was an honorouble Turian. Would an honourable Turian betray his people?betray his duty? Violate everything a spectre stands for? Would an honorouble Turian do a dishonourable thing? No. Then what explains Saren? Saren's behaviour only makes sense if he was indoctrinated"
BTW the sovereign conversation even if not recorded was witnessesd by two others, does their word not count for something.
Realistically speaking, there would have been a full public inquiry as we Brits say, and the truth would have came out in the end council be damned. And even if the council did not believe me, I would have stoked fear over geth and sparked rivalry with the Turians in order to get everyone ready for war.
" You Turians are honorouble people. Saren was an honorouble Turian. Would an honourable Turian betray his people?betray his duty? Violate everything a spectre stands for? Would an honorouble Turian do a dishonourable thing? No. Then what explains Saren? Saren's behaviour only makes sense if he was indoctrinated"
BTW the sovereign conversation even if not recorded was witnessesd by two others, does their word not count for something.
Realistically speaking, there would have been a full public inquiry as we Brits say, and the truth would have came out in the end council be damned. And even if the council did not believe me, I would have stoked fear over geth and sparked rivalry with the Turians in order to get everyone ready for war.
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Posté 26 mars 2012 - 02:44
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Everybody knows Vigil and Sovereign were VI's made by Saren to confuse Shepard. They were found in Saren's footsteps after all, one of them in his base even. Of course they would say what Shepard needed to hear to drift further into insanity.
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Posté 26 mars 2012 - 02:48
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Gallimatia wrote...
Everybody knows Vigil and Sovereign were VI's made by Saren to confuse Shepard. They were found in Saren's footsteps after all, one of them in his base even. Of course they would say what Shepard needed to hear to drift further into insanity.
This is an excellent in-universe observation.
IIRC, the Turian Councillor, in ME1, says something to the effect that Saren still had contacts on the Citadel with access to Spectre docs where Saren 'could' be manipulating Shepard to keep believing in the Reapers and so on.
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Posté 26 mars 2012 - 02:54
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He's only crazy until they actual show up then he's right and you all is dead.
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Posté 26 mars 2012 - 03:02
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If Shepard is right and the reapers have been doing this time and time again then chances are we'd be dead even if we did try to prepare. I.e. if Shepard is right we are likely better off acting as if he is not (thereby maintaining stability until we face out inevitable extinction). Obviously the same is true if he is wrong. This makes not preparing a win-win strategy.
