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[recentio]

IronSabbath88 wrote...

So? Donate yourself. Do not use the game's ending as an excuse for you to donate to charity. That's what I hated most about the Retake movement.

Well, that and the slogan on the page "DEMANDING" a better ending. Yeah.. I didn't agree with it, and I'll leave it at that.

Still, donate out of the goodness of your heart, not because you hate a game ending.

Are you sure the donations were not made out of the goodness of those people's hearts?

I use serendipity to choose what charities I donate to each year. Retake brought Child's Play to my attention and made donation as easy as a couple of clicks. I liked the cause so I took the route paved before me and donated. They spread awareness and made contribution easy.

EDIT: To be clear, the "cause" that I liked was the cause of the charity. I don't just hand out money to organizations I don't believe in, regardless of any attachments such a fund-raising drive might have.

Modifié par recentio, 26 mars 2012 - 02:51 .

[Skirata129]

IronSabbath88 wrote...
Still, donate out of the goodness of your heart, not because you hate a game ending.

I see no reason not to donate to charity in order to draw attention to a particular cause. No person donates to charity with no ulterior motive, whether that be good publicity or the warm fuzzy feeling they get after signing the check.

[IronSabbath88]

Still, the charity was used as an outlet to change the ending... just... that strikes me as wrong on so many levels.

[The Angry One]

I'm sorry, abusing? What? People drove up a lot of money for this and you presume to sit there and call it abuse?
So it was used to drum up publicity. How is that any different from when a company offers incentives for donations and such?
Some people seriously have a chip on their shoulder over this.

[Lankist]

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Still, the charity was used as an outlet to change the ending... just... that strikes me as wrong on so many levels.

It's certainly a grey area. The ends are good: money goes to a good cause. The means are questionable, if debatable. The goals are a mix of self-concern and genuine altruism, which makes this a very weird situation for any charity to be put in.

In the end, a bunch of money was raised for a good cause and the drive is now over. To sharpen any pitchforks now demeans what was accomplished, and I would hope most folks appreciate what they did as something more than a protest or a petition.

Modifié par Lankist, 26 mars 2012 - 02:51 .

[Lmaoboat]

I really hate the ending. I mean, it's just awful. But I can definitely see their point in saying that the Charity was being used to further the Retake as much as the other way around.

[IronSabbath88]

Lankist wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Still, the charity was used as an outlet to change the ending... just... that strikes me as wrong on so many levels.

It's certainly a grey area. The ends are good: money goes to a good cause. The means are questionable, if debatable. The goals are a mix of self-concern and genuine altruism, which makes this a very weird situation for any charity to be put in.

Thank you!

You said it better than I could myself.

[xxskyshadowxx]

It's interesting how the founders of Child's Play have used it's charity to generate support for game sales and issues within the gaming comminity in the past, but shut it down this time. It's basically because the donation drive was vastly successful and gaining a lot of attention and PA is emphatically against damaging "artistic integrity" by changing the ending. So they shut it down.

I was kinda surprised that this was the charity folks chose in the first place (although games for sick kids is a great idea), considering how against Retake PA was.

[Quietness]

Can we stop focusing on the bad, $80,000 was raised for sick children through CPC. Its over, we did a good thing, lets move on.

[Lankist]

xxskyshadowxx wrote...

It's interesting how the founders of Child's Play have used it's charity to generate support for game sales and issues within the gaming comminity in the past, but shut it down this time. It's basically because the donation drive was vastly successful and gaining a lot of attention and PA is emphatically against damaging "artistic integrity" by changing the ending. So they shut it down.

I was kinda surprised that this was the charity folks chose in the first place (although games for sick kids is a great idea), considering how against Retake PA was.

First of all, Tycho commented on the end of the drive that he actually supported the idea out of a sense that art is not sacrosanct in any form, and that the audience should have a voice. He expressed concern, however, with how this sort of situation would affect the core cause of the charity in the future, and a desire to protect the core of the charity before allowing any ancillary causes to attach themselves to it.

Remember that, as any organization, Penny Arcade is a collection of people with a number of conflicting views and opinions. Those opinions do not factor into the decisions made, which were of a practical nature.

Modifié par Lankist, 26 mars 2012 - 02:56 .

[Jayce]

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Still, the charity was used as an outlet to change the ending... just... that strikes me as wrong on so many levels.

I disagree. I know exactly where my donation went. I knew exactly how it will be used.

Frankly, to say I donated to get the end changed is incredibly insulting and it's half assed sentiments like these that lead to the drive ending prematurely.

People who spread such poisnous accusations should be ashamed of themselves.

[The Angry One]

Jayce F wrote...

I disagree. I know exactly where my donation went. I knew exactly how it will be used.

Frankly, to say I donated to get the end changed is incredibly insulting and it's half assed sentiments like these that lead to the drive ending prematurely.

People who spread such poisnous accusations should be ashamed of themselves.

Indeed. The hostility coming out of some people is quite bizarre.

[DemGeth]

Thread that was up when this happened was really bad.....tbh I'd just drop the whole thing entirely, rather than posting half baked articles that tell people what they already know.

[txmn1016]

Nice article. Thanks for posting. Have re-posted in the charity thread.

[WastelanderTim]

The Angry One wrote...

Jayce F wrote...

I disagree. I know exactly where my donation went. I knew exactly how it will be used.

Frankly, to say I donated to get the end changed is incredibly insulting and it's half assed sentiments like these that lead to the drive ending prematurely.

People who spread such poisnous accusations should be ashamed of themselves.

Indeed. The hostility coming out of some people is quite bizarre.

Not really bizarre at all, there are a lot of trolls and this makes perfect flame bait. I mean look at BSN when it stopped they jumped all over it, with no facts or knowledge of what was going on they simply made wild assumptions and ran with it.

[txmn1016]

Jayce F wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Still, the charity was used as an outlet to change the ending... just... that strikes me as wrong on so many levels.

I disagree. I know exactly where my donation went. I knew exactly how it will be used.

Frankly, to say I donated to get the end changed is incredibly insulting and it's half assed sentiments like these that lead to the drive ending prematurely.

People who spread such poisnous accusations should be ashamed of themselves.

Thanks.  I agree and I know most people involved in the charity would too.  The OP on the charity and the statement on the Chipin page was very clear about the intentions and where the money was going.  If people misunderstood, it was because they didn't read.

[Priss Blackburne]

I donated to Child's play through this as I have been considering doing it sometime soon anyways. I thought it was an interesting way to show how much we care about the Mass Effect universe while helping some kids.

I did not donate thinking it was in anyway going to force EA/Bioware to change the ending.

The way that it was soon used as a banner to rally around and point out all the time I started to feel uncomfortable to have it associated with this cause. This is a great charity started by Gamers for Kids and in no way did I want to be part of affecting it in a negative way.

[Asharad Hett]

I'm proud of what we accomplished as a group, but please let this go. We should give to charity without ulterior motive.

[Skirata129]

Asharad Hett wrote...

I'm proud of what we accomplished as a group, but please let this go. We should give to charity without ulterior motive.

again, impossible.

[Stormraught]

At least a good sum of money was donated before this was eventually brought up, good to know a sizable amount of kids will be helped.

[txmn1016]

Skirata129 wrote...

Asharad Hett wrote...

I'm proud of what we accomplished as a group, but please let this go. We should give to charity without ulterior motive.

again, impossible.

lol.  agreed.

[Geirahod]

Asharad Hett wrote...

I'm proud of what we accomplished as a group, but please let this go. We should give to charity without ulterior motive.

There's no way that people will let this go...
they will continue using this to attack the RetakeME3 movement....judging by some of the people that commented here, we're worse than a serial killer for donating to a charity under the movement's name...

Kill me now then...I'm guilty, I'm such a monster and I deserve to die in the worst way possible...for helping sick kids to have toys...



We all should be ashamed for donating to such noble cause and still be part of the retakeme3 movement/sarcasm end

Modifié par Geirahod, 26 mars 2012 - 03:11 .

[txmn1016]

Stormraught wrote...

At least a good sum of money was donated before this was eventually brought up, good to know a sizable amount of kids will be helped.

d*mn straight! 

[FlyingCow371]

It seems like with many charities/donation-type situations, you're able to give your donation in honor of x, or on behalf of x, where x is usually a family member, friend, etc. But usually a person. In this case, there was a marginally coordinated effort to donate to one charity, not on behalf of or in memory of anybody, but to raise awareness/bring attention to a cause. In theory it seems like that would still be an okay substitution. Instead of donating something in the name of Mr. Bob Bobberts, you can donate for Mrs. Retake MassEffect. I hear she's a lovely lady.