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[garf]

SamFlagg wrote...

Guys, this one is something you just let go.

There is nothing to be gained from dwelling on it.

*Q*F*T*

It's over. railing about it does nothing good.

[garf]

Lankist wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Lankist wrote...

Perhaps they wanted to distance themselves from us because we're attacking everyone who looks at us the wrong way, including the charity itself?

Just a thought.

It more likely has to do with the fact that Penny Arcade attacked the Retake movement and couldn't bring themselves to be bigger hypocrites.

You are currently demonstrating precisely why they do not want to be associated with us.

You donated to a charity. Do not complain about the charity. You can still donate to them directly, there is absolutely nothing stopping you. The drive ended amicably, there is no conspiracy.

Again QFT. let it drop. it doesn't help your cause it just makes you look cheap.

[garf]

Lankist wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Lankist wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Lankist wrote...

Perhaps they wanted to distance themselves from us because we're attacking everyone who looks at us the wrong way, including the charity itself?

Just a thought.

It more likely has to do with the fact that Penny Arcade attacked the Retake movement and couldn't bring themselves to be bigger hypocrites.

You are currently demonstrating precisely why they do not want to be associated with us.

You donated to a charity. Do not complain about the charity. You can still donate to them directly, there is absolutely nothing stopping you. The drive ended amicably, there is no conspiracy.

I didn't donate through their link because of people like you.

I'm sorry if "someone like me" offended you in some way, but the fact that the charity is currently being attacked is precisely why they wanted to distance themselves. Just look at your words and the words of others. A week ago, people were championing Child's Play and defending it vehemently. Today, folks are brewing up conspiracy theories, allegations of conflicted interests, perjury and hipocracy. If you ran a charity, would you want your name to be associated with that sort of powder-keg?

You need to understand their viewpoint. They are going to be protecting their charity's interests and wellbeing well before even considering any of the ancillary causes or issues. Full stop, that is the smartest thing they can do. Is it a shame that the drive had to end? Yes. But you need to understand where they're coming from. Associating themselves with side-causes and powder-keg movements could cause great damage to the charity's public image, which would damage its future prospects for fundraising in the long-term.

again again QFT

Guys. It was nice idea. It was fun while it lasted. Let's be proud of what 'we' did (I participated so I can say we) and LET IT GO!

[Annora]

Penny Arcade did not distance itself, Child's Play did. Jerry Holkins and Mike Krahulik do not run the charity, they do not organize functions, and they do not control donations. Child's Play is its own thing, they just show up in fancy suits at the live auction.

Jerry said very clearly that he supports your movement, but the charity couldn't allow itself to be used as a tool for politics. I realize this wasn't your intent, but this is how it ended up being seen. To a charity perception is everything, so they must stay neutral. There is no conspiracy theory, and they didn't do it to ****** you off. They did it because they had to, because it would have set a precedent and allowed questionable causes to attach themselves to Child's Play in the future.

It's a necessary policy, and you're not making yourselves look any better by continuing to attack and insult both Penny Arcade and Child's Play.

Modifié par Anastassia, 26 mars 2012 - 06:09 .

[Viper371]

Anastassia wrote...

Penny Arcade did not distance itself, Child's Play did. Jerry Holkins and Mike Krahulik do not run the charity, they do not organize functions, and they do not control donations. Child's Play is its own thing, they just show up in fancy suits at the live auction.

Jerry said very clearly that he supports your movement, but the charity couldn't allow itself to be used as a tool for politics. I realize this wasn't your intent, but this is how it ended up being seen. To a charity perception is everything, so they must stay neutral. There is no conspiracy theory, and they didn't do it to ****** you off. They did it because they had to, because it would have set a precedent and allowed questionable causes to attach themselves to Child's Play in the future.

It's a necessary policy, and you're not making yourselves look any better by continuing to attack and insult both Penny Arcade and Child's Play.

exactly what I wanted to post

[Nykara]

SamFlagg wrote...

Guys, this one is something you just let go.

There is nothing to be gained from dwelling on it.

Crazy that kids have to miss out on funds that they could still be getting though. Everything else should have been overlooked in favor of that.

[Annora]

Nykara wrote...

Crazy that kids have to miss out on funds that they could still be getting though. Everything else should have been overlooked in favor of that.

Nothing is stopping you from donating, or setting up a drive that has Child's Play as the cause. Go play Desert Bus for the kids!

[Vaerkone]

iakus wrote...

Faridarsabra wrote...
It's the same with FOX News, ME fans hated them for their controversial reporting about sex in Mass Effect, but I remember a week or two ago someone posted an article FOX News had done about Retake that was semi-pro, and all of a sudden many players here on the forum praised them.

Talk about hypocrites.

"Praise" is really stretching it in that case.

Those posts were commenting on how fair the reporting was, followed up by lines like "I feel dirty saying that"  Poeple were suprised, not delighted..  They did indeed remember the ME1 controversey

Praise might have been a stretch I agree on that. But the tone in that thread was positive towards FOX, something that surpised me as ME fans have been critizing everything FOX had to say before (despite what they were reporting on), because of their controversial reporting of ME.

If a neutral Game Reviewer suddenly sided with the industry, the players would blame them for taking sides, and probebly being bought. The reviewer would be accoused of not being objective. But if the same reviewer had sided with the players instead, no one would blame them for being biased.

In short, many players (in this case, many Retakers and other pro-enders) critize IGNore for being biased, and then goes ahead and critize PA for not wanting to be biased.

Obviously I am not talking about all Retakers and other pro-enders.

[recentio]

Anastassia wrote...

Penny Arcade did not distance itself, Child's Play did. Jerry Holkins and Mike Krahulik do not run the charity, they do not organize functions, and they do not control donations. Child's Play is its own thing, they just show up in fancy suits at the live auction.

Jerry said very clearly that he supports your movement, but the charity couldn't allow itself to be used as a tool for politics. I realize this wasn't your intent, but this is how it ended up being seen. To a charity perception is everything, so they must stay neutral. There is no conspiracy theory, and they didn't do it to ****** you off. They did it because they had to, because it would have set a precedent and allowed questionable causes to attach themselves to Child's Play in the future.

It's a necessary policy, and you're not making yourselves look any better by continuing to attack and insult both Penny Arcade and Child's Play.

They did take a couple of low parting shots, though, claming Retake closed the drive because "they [had] basically won" and calling them "Indian givers." I think it's understandable that a few jimmies were rustled by the way Retake was subtly demonized.

But, I agree, I don't want to talk about it anymore. I just want to point out that some of the negative reaction to PA on this issue was provoked and not solely paranoia.

Modifié par recentio, 26 mars 2012 - 06:18 .

[Hendrik.III]

Opsrbest wrote...
People weren't supporting it to be generous and give to the charity for the sake of giving to a charity they were donating to make it use a point and trying to force a change.

Normally people involved in charity don't care why we donate. Hell, most of the time they try to emotionally blackmail us into donating (e.g. commercials) or send chuggers into town. They really do not care - unless negativity surrounding something/someone rubs off on them, that's when the start to have principles regarding the origin of the money.

CP/RTM  was a positive means of channeling our frustration. We didn't have to donate. I accept and understand that Child's Play was in a bit of a bind due to us, but I must say that it was not our doing. Some idiots started misinterpreting our motivations, started to fire all kinds of random questions at CP, pointing fingers and shaking their heads. Opportunist media looking for problems where there are none.

Had people not tried to make us look bad, CP would have had no trouble with our actions. It was always clear that CP was not involved, but some chose to force the issue, pushing CP into our camp - and that was what forced them to stop RTM.

Modifié par Hendrik.III, 26 mars 2012 - 06:29 .

[shurryy]

Cody211282 wrote...

Lankist wrote...

Perhaps they wanted to distance themselves from us because we're attacking everyone who looks at us the wrong way, including the charity itself?

Just a thought.

This

I support getting new endings but some people have become friken rabid attack dogs.

Treat a dog wrong, and it will eventually get confused, lose all respect for you, and turn into a rabid attack dog that barks at everyone that comes too close because it has lost faith in all humans because of one.

[Epic777]

shurryy wrote...

Cody211282 wrote...

Lankist wrote...

Perhaps they wanted to distance themselves from us because we're attacking everyone who looks at us the wrong way, including the charity itself?

Just a thought.

This

I support getting new endings but some people have become friken rabid attack dogs.

Treat a dog wrong, and it will eventually get confused, lose all respect for you, and turn into a rabid attack dog that barks at everyone that comes too close because it has lost faith in all humans because of one.

While I do not like the ending this is a ridiculous excuse. No one is forcing you to buy the game. We are not dogs. There is no need to lose your mind over a video game. If you really want to 'show 'em' don't buy their games.

Modifié par Epic777, 26 mars 2012 - 06:51 .

[shurryy]

Epic777 wrote...

shurryy wrote...

Cody211282 wrote...

Lankist wrote...

Perhaps they wanted to distance themselves from us because we're attacking everyone who looks at us the wrong way, including the charity itself?

Just a thought.

This

I support getting new endings but some people have become friken rabid attack dogs.

Treat a dog wrong, and it will eventually get confused, lose all respect for you, and turn into a rabid attack dog that barks at everyone that comes too close because it has lost faith in all humans because of one.

While I do not like the ending this is a ridiculous excuse. No one is forcing you to buy the game. We are not dogs. There is no need to lose your mind over a video game. If you really want to 'show 'em' don't buy their games.

Clarification:
I am saying the fans are behaving like rabid attack dogs for similar reasons a dog would turn into one. Bioware didn't keep their end of the bargain, after the fans had their hopes sky high after being delivered promises bioware simply didn't keep and being delivered an ending that doesn't even remotely hold up, the forums and the fans exploded into flames. 
At first the fans were In-Denial of the matter, confused, why had this happened? Why did this occur? Did Bioware make a mistake again? A few weeks later respect for Bioware was quickly diminishing from the forums, after all the effort the fans made in order to gain Biowares attention and give them a chance to explain, Bioware is now doing PR spins and saying nothing concrete or answering any questions at all, with good reason I bet. This is angering the fans and while in the wait, they are tearing apart other parts of the game that shows how badly rushed the game was. (Bioware Photoshopping Tali's face for instance, pointless side-quests etc) 
The fans have not been treated well by most news sites, rather everyone is pointing them out to be "A bunch of rabid attack dogs" if you will, or angered disillusioned fanatics, and that's what they have become by all this negativity, why? 

Because Bioware didn't deliver. 

I am not saying "Well we are a bunch of dogs, why not attack someone?".

[Skirata129]

guys, I'm not attacking Child's Play in any way, just pointing out how disgusting it was that PA and other industry giants leaned on them to close the drive.

[UrgentArchengel]

Penny Arcade is just saving themselves from the enviable EA throw down.