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[ZLurps]

For me it looks like "torch and run".

Even Hudson says (in FinalHour IIRC) that Javik was cut to be DLC and Omega was cut entirely to meet the deadline, I find it difficult to believe.

What was Mac Walter doing?

Mass Effect: Evolution 2011 Dark Horse Comics
Mass Effect: Invasion 2011 Dark Horse Comics
Mass Effect: Conviction 2011 Dark Horse Comics
Mass Effect Incursion / Inquisition 2011 Dark Horse Comics

Why the lead writer was producing these if they had problems to meet deadline?

In addition, trailers for ME3 were done by BioWare in-house, that means writing, directing and rendering. Trailers were very impressive, but why they didn't outsource production, if the problem was missing CGI?

Modifié par ZLurps, 26 mars 2012 - 09:25 .

[sargon1986]

Pretty much. 

[KingKhan03]

It`s A Damn Shame....

[TLK Spires]

it's one of two things:

1. it is so deliberately and thoroughly awful that it was done explicitly for the sake of it making it look so impossible that it could ONLY be some kind of dream/hallucination/indoctrination/out of body experience

2. it really is the single biggest piece of literary and objective **** to grace any form of story telling since AT LEAST the turn of the millennium.

Modifié par TLK Spires, 26 mars 2012 - 09:34 .

[Cody211282]

ZLurps wrote...

For me it looks like "torch and run".

Even Hudson says (in FinalHour IIRC) that Javik was cut to be DLC and Omega was cut entirely to meet the deadline, I find it difficult to believe.

What was Mac Walter doing?

Mass Effect: Evolution 2011 Dark Horse Comics
Mass Effect: Invasion 2011 Dark Horse Comics
Mass Effect: Conviction 2011 Dark Horse Comics
Mass Effect Incursion / Inquisition 2011 Dark Horse Comics

Why the lead writer was producing these if they had problems to meet deadline?

In addition, trailers for ME3 were done by BioWare in-house, that means writing, directing and rendering. Trailers were very impressive, but why they didn't outsource production, if the problem was missing CGI?

Well thats some fun info.

It litterly feels like whoever did the ending really didn't know to much about ME and from a few things I have found out Mac might not have been the ideal choise to be lead on this.

[ZLurps]

Cody211282 wrote...

ZLurps wrote...

For me it looks like "torch and run".

Even Hudson says (in FinalHour IIRC) that Javik was cut to be DLC and Omega was cut entirely to meet the deadline, I find it difficult to believe.

What was Mac Walter doing?

Mass Effect: Evolution 2011 Dark Horse Comics
Mass Effect: Invasion 2011 Dark Horse Comics
Mass Effect: Conviction 2011 Dark Horse Comics
Mass Effect Incursion / Inquisition 2011 Dark Horse Comics

Why the lead writer was producing these if they had problems to meet deadline?

In addition, trailers for ME3 were done by BioWare in-house, that means writing, directing and rendering. Trailers were very impressive, but why they didn't outsource production, if the problem was missing CGI?

Well thats some fun info.

It litterly feels like whoever did the ending really didn't know to much about ME and from a few things I have found out Mac might not have been the ideal choise to be lead on this.

Mac Walters has been on board since ME1, though ME1 lead writer was Drew Karpyshyn. Drew was on board still during ME2 but left to write stuff for TOR MMO after that. I don't know, it might be that Walters is more character guy than settings and lore guy.

My point however was, that why lead writer was working with tie-in material, if they had problems to meet the deadline for game ending.

[pharsti]

Nop, its amazing, but probably a combination of bad writting with lack of time is all this was.

Me? I think they should have skipped the multiplayer and any kinnect crap and concentrated all their resources and time on the single player and inserting everything instead of cutting so much content, probably would have been better, but well never know.

[Cody211282]

ZLurps wrote...

Cody211282 wrote...

ZLurps wrote...

For me it looks like "torch and run".

Even Hudson says (in FinalHour IIRC) that Javik was cut to be DLC and Omega was cut entirely to meet the deadline, I find it difficult to believe.

What was Mac Walter doing?

Mass Effect: Evolution 2011 Dark Horse Comics
Mass Effect: Invasion 2011 Dark Horse Comics
Mass Effect: Conviction 2011 Dark Horse Comics
Mass Effect Incursion / Inquisition 2011 Dark Horse Comics

Why the lead writer was producing these if they had problems to meet deadline?

In addition, trailers for ME3 were done by BioWare in-house, that means writing, directing and rendering. Trailers were very impressive, but why they didn't outsource production, if the problem was missing CGI?

Well thats some fun info.

It litterly feels like whoever did the ending really didn't know to much about ME and from a few things I have found out Mac might not have been the ideal choise to be lead on this.

Mac Walters has been on board since ME1, though ME1 lead writer was Drew Karpyshyn. Drew was on board still during ME2 but left to write stuff for TOR MMO after that. I don't know, it might be that Walters is more character guy than settings and lore guy.

My point however was, that why lead writer was working with tie-in material, if they had problems to meet the deadline for game ending.

I agree, and hell most the stuff except the ending was great. I was just under the assumption that ME was their baby and that they would have at least talked to Drew to get some advice on what to do with it.

[AlienSpaceBats]

Yes, very bad writing.

[Belizarius]

I'm at a point now where I just have stopped giving a toss. Each and every one of us has put more thought into all of the 16 endings (ha bloody ha) than Mac Walters did while penning them down during a three-minute break on the loo. I have invested both emotions and many hours into the games, and now I have simply accepted the fact that Bioware couldn't give a rat's arse about it. So I have done what most people do when they've been cheated on: I tell the culprit to bugger off and then I continue with my life.
When the inevitable DLC mop-up arrives I will undoubtedly download it, though, just to see what they've come up with and if they try to save their sorry rectums with a slapdash solution (e.g., "Yeah, we've intended it to be indoctrination all along! True story.")

[_NF_Von_Lipwig]

Yeah, I think it's occurred to everyone at some point that this ending is so excruciatingly bad that it almost feels as though it was written that badly on purpose.

It's hard to swallow though, I cannot think of any reason any writer would do something like this. If I'd been responsible for these endings, I'd be terribly ashamed.

[Tiax Rules All]

Indoctrination theory isn't officially ruled out yet

and to me, still infinitely more believable then them being even capable of screwing up that badly in writing.

[AdmiralCheez]

AlienSpaceBats wrote...

Yes, very bad writing.

And, according to rumor, that writing was not peer reviewed.

Allegedly, Mac and Casey drafted the endings without accepting input from any of the other writers.  The rest of the team didn't get to play with it until the lines were already recorded.

This is just a rumor, and even though I have a source (PM if you want it; I'm not linking to it out of respect for the guy that may or may not be the primary source), that doesn't mean that any of it is true.  Given what we have available, though, it does sort of make sense.

(So does Indoctrination Theory, mind you, but that's the trap of these sort of things.  For the record, I don't think the writers INTENDED Shep to be indoctrinated, but it just works so well I can't help but add it to my headcanon.)

[Dreadcall]

TLK Spires wrote...

it's one of two things:

1. it is so deliberately and thoroughly awful that it was done explicitly for the sake of it making it look so impossible that it could ONLY be some kind of dream/hallucination/indoctrination/out of body experience

2. it really is the single biggest piece of literary and objective **** to grace any form of story telling since AT LEAST the turn of the millennium.

Or Casey just got an order to make room for a space FPS under the BioWare label. You know, EA can't beat CoD on Earth so they'll just try in space. 

[Cody211282]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Indoctrination theory isn't officially ruled out yet

and to me, still infinitely more believable then them being even capable of screwing up that badly in writing.

See to me I think a bad ending seems more plausible then them risking the massive backlash of sending out an unfisnished product.

Modifié par Cody211282, 26 mars 2012 - 10:14 .

[Peranor]

DaeJi wrote...

It's either horrid writing or we just spent $60 to $80 dollars (US) on an unfinished game.

And the sad part is that I would actually be happy if I found out that the game was unfinished even though I paid $60 for it. Becuase I prefer that over accepting that the writing was that horrid and the ending we got was the ending they planned all along.
Yes im that desperate....

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

AlienSpaceBats wrote...

Yes, very bad writing.

And, according to rumor, that writing was not peer reviewed.

Allegedly, Mac and Casey drafted the endings without accepting input from any of the other writers.  The rest of the team didn't get to play with it until the lines were already recorded.

This is just a rumor, and even though I have a source (PM if you want it; I'm not linking to it out of respect for the guy that may or may not be the primary source), that doesn't mean that any of it is true.  Given what we have available, though, it does sort of make sense.

(So does Indoctrination Theory, mind you, but that's the trap of these sort of things.  For the record, I don't think the writers INTENDED Shep to be indoctrinated, but it just works so well I can't help but add it to my headcanon.)

You believe in that crap theory Cheez?

[AdmiralCheez]

Lizardviking wrote...

You believe in that crap theory Cheez?

What, that Shepard was indoctrinated (I believe it for funzies), or that Casey and Mac didn't accept feedback from the rest of the team (which is plausible but unverified)?

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

You believe in that crap theory Cheez?

What, that Shepard was indoctrinated (I believe it for funzies), or that Casey and Mac didn't accept feedback from the rest of the team (which is plausible but unverified)?

The indoctrination theory.

[AdmiralCheez]

Lizardviking wrote...

The indoctrination theory.

It fits enough to work, and it makes the endings less crappy.  I'll take whatever I can get.

[ticklefist]

Mesina2 wrote...

Yep, bad writing.

Mac Walter just wants his own Warhammer 40k rip off.
ME3 endings pretty much set it up for that.

Ha too funny. I'm actually rebounding with the Dawn of War II series right now.

[Xandax]

Humans will often try to see patterns where none exists - and still overlook the most simple explanation.

It is just bad writing.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

The indoctrination theory.

It fits enough to work, and it makes the endings less crappy.  I'll take whatever I can get.

Not really, there are just as many plotholes in the indoctrination theory.  And it is even worse having an unconclusive ending without any actual choice (since the only one is destroy).

I find it disappointing that so many are supporting this theory, all you are doing is giving Bioware a free pass.

[Cody211282]

ticklefist wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Yep, bad writing.

Mac Walter just wants his own Warhammer 40k rip off.
ME3 endings pretty much set it up for that.

Ha too funny. I'm actually rebounding with the Dawn of War II series right now.

God those games are amazing, though I still liked Dark Crusade more.

But I don't think ME fit well into that setting, and it would honestly be easier to just pitch a new IP then try to turn this into that.

[Icinix]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

The indoctrination theory.

It fits enough to work, and it makes the endings less crappy.  I'll take whatever I can get.

Pretty much the same.

I'm die hard indoctrinationist though.

I thikn the whole thing has been a setup and BioWare is trolling everyone - that it just happens to be in line With CEO Heads pricing gouging charging also helps sell it.