Arcian wrote...
It is not comparable since Shepard did not magically will herself back to life.bleachorange wrote...
Shepard's in a unique position - being brought back from the dead tends to do that to people. I hear they even had to rewrite the Alliance tax code.
Once you bring people back from the dead, is a little anti-reaper mojo such a stretch?
yukon fire wrote...
The camera could have pulled back to reveal that it all took place in an autistic kid's snow globe.
Pssst! I'm not loyal to them. I just think that it's a nice out of they want to take it (they'd have to do DLC, though), and the shark was jumped way back in ME2, so by all means, let's jump it again for the sake of making the end not suck.Arcian wrote...
Shep did not will herself back to life on her own, billions of credits and two years were invested in rebuilding her. It is not comparable in the slightest. Shepard is a human being, not a god. Stop trying to cover for BioWare, they don't deserve your loyalty anymore.
The POINT of Indoc theory, as I just explained to Lizard, is that "real" ending DLC has to happen for it to work. And it has to be free for everyone. It's just one of many ways for Bioware to fix those awful goddamn endings, and the ol' "twas but a dream" card is probably the easiest one to play in order to give themselves a do-over. There are enough little bits and pieces throughout the story for it to work, so until Bioware does something officially about Endingate, I'm going with "Shepard was indoctrinated and the real final battle is on the way."By all means, let's all **** out and free BioWare from taking responsibility for their mistakes by offering them a sh!tty "It was all a dream lol"-ending which rapes established lore in the ass and violates almost every single consumer rights.
AdmiralCheez wrote...
We are actually all on the same side here: we thought the endings sucked, too, and we want them fixed.
Modifié par bleachorange, 26 mars 2012 - 11:21 .
Stinkface27 wrote...
I know I sound crazy, I know I sound pathetic and desperate - but I refused to believe that they could have dropped the ball this hard on basically the most important moment in the history of the franchise. How could they?
Mcfly616 wrote...
Shiala from Feros is alive and well, and
while she acknowledges still hearing "voices" in her head, shes leading
the colony of Zhu's Hope in the fight against the Reapers.....
Modifié par Lizardviking, 26 mars 2012 - 11:25 .
These are valid concerns (it's not a perfect solution after all), but in my opinion they pale in comparison to the monstrosity that is the current ending. Like seriously, I'm willing to accept all those little plotholes to get rid of The Big Ones.Nimrodell wrote...
Dear Cheez, that's not the reason. The problem with IT is that entire ME3 needs redoing then or it'll carry as many plot holes during the game itself like it has now during those misfortunate 15 minutes at the end. If Shepard was slowly indoctrinated as some suggest, then it would mean s/he is less strong-willed than Paul Grayson (that actually hears Reaper commands and has no control of his body in some parts of the novel), Benezia and Shiala - and I won't go into saying that Shepard is like Amanda Kenson or Rhana Tanoptis or any of those workers we heard during The Arrival. In all these cases though, Reapers were taking active control by comforting their victims into thoughts that the Reapers are actually bringers of greater good - apart from Paul Grayson, there they were more aggressive. Saren and TIM are both lulled by Reapers into thinking they are actually omnipotent, giving them false feeling of knowledge and strength thus deceiving them into doing their exact plan. None of this happens with our Shepards during the game - and in dreams we just hear the voices of those we lost, each dead person, new voice in the next dream... This can be distorted by saying that Reapers were hitting on Shepard's moral 'cause s/he was symbol of hope, but that's really overstretching it. None of the Shepard's crew was reporting Shepard's strange behaviour unlike Reaper IFF science crew reporting dr. Chandana or crew of Amanda Kenson... one would think that at least Liara that was coupled with Shepard would notice something.
As for instant indoctrination... well, that's really overstreching it - there we have another form of sudden space magic, better said, Reaper magic... it's like Sheldon was a Harbinger and did his Bazinga! move. And the strangest thing is, according to all IT versions, Reapers love making movies about our crewmates, relays exploding and old man with his grandson many years after... and even EMS affects their decision if they'll offer us only 'destroy' or other endings - meaning, it's better to have lowest EMS 'cause then that instantly we're freed from Reaper's clutches... So, no, dear Cheez, that's not why Arcian and Mesina2 are saying this. Anyway, I'm just glad seeing you back on boards, it is refreshing indeed. Now let's see if Saphra Deden will emerge from some hellhole, poking us all and telling - you lower beings, I told you ti was all bad writing. lol
Chaota Vos wrote...
Honestly, I think if Indoc. Theory turns out to be true, then it's a stroke of genius, keeping up BW's track record of twists and good plot.
Unfortunately, this is gimped by being horridly executed. And leaving out a proper ending
Mcfly616 wrote...
@Lizardviking
Haha....lots of speculation
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Join Date: 2012-03-07Mcfly616 wrote...
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No they did not, Shiala-CloneNr1 spoke on its behalf.bleachorange wrote...
Arcian wrote...
It is not comparable since Shepard did not magically will herself back to life.bleachorange wrote...
Shepard's in a unique position - being brought back from the dead tends to do that to people. I hear they even had to rewrite the Alliance tax code.
Once you bring people back from the dead, is a little anti-reaper mojo such a stretch?
I'm just saying Shepard and the Thorian talked mind-to-mind as well. you forget about that?
AdmiralCheez wrote...
These are valid concerns (it's not a perfect solution after all), but in my opinion they pale in comparison to the monstrosity that is the current ending. Like seriously, I'm willing to accept all those little plotholes to get rid of The Big Ones.Nimrodell wrote...
Dear Cheez, that's not the reason. The problem with IT is that entire ME3 needs redoing then or it'll carry as many plot holes during the game itself like it has now during those misfortunate 15 minutes at the end. If Shepard was slowly indoctrinated as some suggest, then it would mean s/he is less strong-willed than Paul Grayson (that actually hears Reaper commands and has no control of his body in some parts of the novel), Benezia and Shiala - and I won't go into saying that Shepard is like Amanda Kenson or Rhana Tanoptis or any of those workers we heard during The Arrival. In all these cases though, Reapers were taking active control by comforting their victims into thoughts that the Reapers are actually bringers of greater good - apart from Paul Grayson, there they were more aggressive. Saren and TIM are both lulled by Reapers into thinking they are actually omnipotent, giving them false feeling of knowledge and strength thus deceiving them into doing their exact plan. None of this happens with our Shepards during the game - and in dreams we just hear the voices of those we lost, each dead person, new voice in the next dream... This can be distorted by saying that Reapers were hitting on Shepard's moral 'cause s/he was symbol of hope, but that's really overstretching it. None of the Shepard's crew was reporting Shepard's strange behaviour unlike Reaper IFF science crew reporting dr. Chandana or crew of Amanda Kenson... one would think that at least Liara that was coupled with Shepard would notice something.
As for instant indoctrination... well, that's really overstreching it - there we have another form of sudden space magic, better said, Reaper magic... it's like Sheldon was a Harbinger and did his Bazinga! move. And the strangest thing is, according to all IT versions, Reapers love making movies about our crewmates, relays exploding and old man with his grandson many years after... and even EMS affects their decision if they'll offer us only 'destroy' or other endings - meaning, it's better to have lowest EMS 'cause then that instantly we're freed from Reaper's clutches... So, no, dear Cheez, that's not why Arcian and Mesina2 are saying this. Anyway, I'm just glad seeing you back on boards, it is refreshing indeed. Now let's see if Saphra Deden will emerge from some hellhole, poking us all and telling - you lower beings, I told you ti was all bad writing. lol
Bioware tends to goof up on foreshadowing anyway.
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