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[MattFini]

One of the many problems I have with the current ending is that, thematically, it becomes VERY heavy-handed and telegraphed when you look at the rest of the game.

The theme of self-sacrifice is all over the game: Thane, Mordin, Legion ... it repeatedly beats you over the head with this as if to push on toward the lousy ending. I *do* think Shep should have the option to die in a blaze of glory, but the problem is that the current ending doesn't offer this.

Thane and Mordin both had spectacular final stands. Shepard's should've AT LEAST been on par with those. Instead, the action comes to a halt and the game manages to be anticlimactic as well as disappointing.

I don't think Shep dying should be the only option, either, but the way it stands now, it's a horrible end for our hero.

[wright1978]

Think they were trying to be clever but in reality it is just an appallingly implemented ending that does not fit the trilogy at all well.

[Xandurpein]

nomoredruggs wrote...

I really can't decide if it's
1. Done on purpose to destroy the franchise
2.Done due to time restrictions
3.Someone thought it was a great idea to go all "intelectual" at the end of the series

My guess would be a mixture of 2 and 3.

[Xandurpein]

MattFini wrote...

I don't think Shep dying should be the only option, either, but the way it stands now, it's a horrible end for our hero.

I always thought it would be an awesome final choice for Shepard to either; Paragon - stay and try and stear the disintegrating Citadel away from Earth orbit, save millions and die in the process, or Renegade - jump into a shuttle and survive, but Citadel crashes and blows up half of England.

[MattFini]

Xandurpein wrote...

MattFini wrote...

I don't think Shep dying should be the only option, either, but the way it stands now, it's a horrible end for our hero.

I always thought it would be an awesome final choice for Shepard to either; Paragon - stay and try and stear the disintegrating Citadel away from Earth orbit, save millions and die in the process, or Renegade - jump into a shuttle and survive, but Citadel crashes and blows up half of England.

You mean have more choice?  What are you, crazy?  

[bleachorange]

Arcian wrote...

No they did not, Shiala-CloneNr1 spoke on its behalf.

I disagree. The clone was the conduit, in the renegade option. Shiala shares the experience with you through asari mind-melding in the paragon option. either way, it leaves a deep imprint on your psyche, allowing you to interpret the beacon. you really think thinking differently isn't a big deal? look at the prothean VI on thessia - it recognizes you as different. look how you interact with javik - your magical psychotouch powers indicate something different. it's all there - you're just ignoring the parts that disagree with you.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Mcfly616 wrote...

No...it says that nowhere in Shialas email ....I'm looking at it right now....

So am I and guess what? It directly states that she believes she is still indoctrinated, only that her connection to the people of Zhu's hope (a connection made because she was taken by the Thorian) is stronger than the Reaper voices, thereby drowning it out.

[bleachorange]

Lizardviking wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

No...it says that nowhere in Shialas email ....I'm looking at it right now....

So am I and guess what? It directly states that she believes she is still indoctrinated, only that her connection to the people of Zhu's hope (a connection made because she was taken by the Thorian) is stronger than the Reaper voices, thereby drowning it out.

I have to bring it up - TIM was partially indoctrinated for years, and he defeated it until he decided to modify himself like his soldiers - only then did the Reapers control him. It can be successfully combated.

[MB957]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

"Torch the franchise and run."

its possible they did a torch and run...

I also think its possible that it is or was some part of some kind of IDT....

either they ran out of time...or have more in the works....

because to me...you dont write such good stuff for the entire time...then implode at the last minute.  I mean..it would be hard for an amatuer to do that...I cant see professional writers...in a team...who can obviously write well...to just crash and burn so quickly...

maybe I am indoctrinated...lol..but I dont think I would ever beleive that such a talented group of people would just miss the mark so drastically...after having proven thet could deliver the goods...

[Jonathan Shepard]

N-Seven wrote...

Actually I thought up until he met the Starchild, it was decent. The near hit from the red beam. The slow-mo, cinematic sequence of Shepard staggering into the beam, nothing but a pistol, and into the Citadel. The tense standoff with the Illusive Man, and his tender moment with Anderson at the end. Good, climactic stuff.. Just the Catachild bit and onward was an extreme letdown.

I love how I can usually scroll through the first page and someone will have eloquently expressed what I wished to say. While I don't believe the BSN has ever been in a unified state, we're certainly more so than ever before.

So, yeah. Someone wanted to pull a "twist" ending with the child, and it (literally) blew up in BioWare's face.

[bleachorange]

MB957 wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

"Torch the franchise and run."

its possible they did a torch and run...

I also think its possible that it is or was some part of some kind of IDT....

either they ran out of time...or have more in the works....

because to me...you dont write such good stuff for the entire time...then implode at the last minute.  I mean..it would be hard for an amatuer to do that...I cant see professional writers...in a team...who can obviously write well...to just crash and burn so quickly...

maybe I am indoctrinated...lol..but I dont think I would ever beleive that such a talented group of people would just miss the mark so drastically...after having proven thet could deliver the goods...

you must not have heard the rumor (leaked from a confirmed BIoware employees' account, so it's either true, or it was hacked - I'm not naming names, though it seems a little late for that) that only Mac and Casey worked on the ending - no one from the rest of the creative team had any input or exposure to it.

[MattFini]

^ That is only a rumor, but I have to admit, it DOES explain A LOT.

[bleachorange]

MattFini wrote...

^ That is only a rumor, but I have to admit, it DOES explain A LOT.

I've read the post in question, and I think it could be either-or, but this is something that has the ring of truth to it, in my opinion. In addition to EA not giving the franchise enough time and/or money to actually do a good job of it (see: DA2).

[MinatheBrat]

recentio wrote...

Two men alone, filled with pride, created an "intelligent" ending. Woe to a piteous soul as me, for I cannot fathom it's sweeping complexities! In shame, I withdraw to the Abyss of Imbeciles from whence I came, consoled there by the idiocy of theoretical computer science. O, we unwashed rabble, we children of the swamps who squint before the red/green/blue face of Apollo. O, flawless art that was rushed and hewn in isolation from the creative team that told the rest of the story. Give unto me thick-rimmed, black glasses, that I might become worthy.

/drama

Yeah, it's just bad. It hasn't survived a single scholarly deconstruction without being unmasked as tripe.

I can understand liking the ending. It's cool that some people do, and respectful disagreements can be very good for fostering discussions. I think I'm losing my temper, though, with those pretentious few who archly declare stupidity as the root of all discontent. I've found the "2deep4u" crowd a bit intractable to converse with...sorry if I indulged that frustration in this post. 

ROFL!! This made me snort- like when I watched that review of ME3 on MSNBC that gave the game a perfect 10 and said that the ending was -and I'm paraphrasing because I can't remember the exact words- but essentially, it was too complex and intelligent and the common rabble just couldn't comprehend the perfection. (I will never watch a msnbc game review btw- the arrogance was astounding!)
Oh, we poor, unsophisticated souls....... <_<....... 

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

bleachorange wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

No...it says that nowhere in Shialas email ....I'm looking at it right now....

So am I and guess what? It directly states that she believes she is still indoctrinated, only that her connection to the people of Zhu's hope (a connection made because she was taken by the Thorian) is stronger than the Reaper voices, thereby drowning it out.

I have to bring it up - TIM was partially indoctrinated for years, and he defeated it until he decided to modify himself like his soldiers - only then did the Reapers control him. It can be successfully combated.

For whatever reasons. TIM was not effected by the monolith on Shanxi the same way everyone else was. I do not think he was indoctrinated to begin with.

[bleachorange]

Lizardviking wrote...

bleachorange wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

No...it says that nowhere in Shialas email ....I'm looking at it right now....

So am I and guess what? It directly states that she believes she is still indoctrinated, only that her connection to the people of Zhu's hope (a connection made because she was taken by the Thorian) is stronger than the Reaper voices, thereby drowning it out.

I have to bring it up - TIM was partially indoctrinated for years, and he defeated it until he decided to modify himself like his soldiers - only then did the Reapers control him. It can be successfully combated.

For whatever reasons. TIM was not effected by the monolith on Shanxi the same way everyone else was. I do not think he was indoctrinated to begin with.

Uh-huh. Just admit I have a point, and it's possible Shepard can overcome indoctrination.

[Peranor]

A stated in Mass Effect 3 - The Animal House Ending James Vega clearly is the one to blame for this catastrophe of an ending.

Modifié par anorling, 26 mars 2012 - 01:22 .

[Avissel]

It's pretty sad when your ending is so bad, that the fan's are able to create something like the Indoc theory to try and make it better.

It's even sadder when it's so bad that they continue to cling to the theory after you tell the "No guys, seriously that's how it ends."

[MOIST N FLUFFY]

It seems like a lot of bad writing, and if you look through these forums there are many threads pertaining to the various ways in which ME3 is not ME quality.

[kkndgr]

To me seems that the enging was rushed in order to meet the deadlines, typical corporational attitude. Considering that bioware is part of EA and we already experienced in the past the half finished games coming out of EA studios and takes 3-4 months after release of patching in order to have the sort of final game as it meant to be.All that in the name of meeting deadlines no matter what and keep the shareholders happy

[AdmiralCheez]

Arcian wrote...

MOIST N FLUFFY wrote...

It seems like a lot of bad writing, and if you look through these forums there are many threads pertaining to the various ways in which ME3 is not ME quality.

ME3 had the franchise's shortest development cycle, but was planned to have the most content.

That should speak volumes about everything that went wrong.

You'd think they'd learn from the DA2 thing, but noooo....

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Arcian wrote...
ME3 had the franchise's shortest development cycle, but was planned to have the most content.

That should speak volumes about everything that went wrong.

Really? I thought they started making the game even before ME2 was released. Where did you get this information?