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[crimzontearz]

millions dead...at the VERY LEAST three of your friends dead or executed or even worse


yeah in Shepard gets to survive and live on with his LI it's a total fairytale ending just like GOW3

[RinuCZ]

txgoldrush wrote...
Face it.....a happy ending WOULD break the intergrity of the game.

 
First of all, the "artistic integrity" argument was - in my opinion - a way how to say they don't want to write a fanfic. I do agree with that, I don't want them to do it either.

txgoldrush wrote... 
The MAIN THEME of Mass Effect 3 is VICTORY THROUGH SACRIFICE..

 
It depends. I dare to use an example. If 3 of 12+ cast die in a season of TV series with 24 eps, would you consider the season to be about a sacrifice?  Someone would probably do, I wouldn't. It can serve a story, it doesn't have to mean it's the pillar of story.
Right now, I can think of The Dark Knight. A death is basically a commodity there, yet the story can be interpreted as an exploration of what does it takes to crush one's moral values. And I don't think the fact, that the protagonist survives, cheapens the point or invalidate a journey made by other characters.

A sacrifice is a highly celebrated theme through our history. It's partly an abstract embodiment of selflessness and partly an expression of fear of dying of old age. In a reality, people do a great many things and manage to reach an old age. I take the liberty of be a bit absurd here - Should a creator of a highly praised product/discovery leave an industry, so s/he doesn't smear its legacy?

Expanding outcomes by a less dark option wouldn't "betray an artistic integrity", it'd simply give a closure to some people. (My main concern about ME finale lies with Assuming-direct-control-of-Shepard termination, though.)

Modifié par RinuCZ, 26 mars 2012 - 11:32 .

[Khallos]

"Artistic integrity" kinda rings hollow when the last two words of the game are "downloadable content"

[nomoredruggs]

Well, for some people the main theme of the game seems to be OVERCOMING INCREDIBLE ODDS, so in this case, a "happy" ending would be consistent.

So, giving the players the choice would allow those who feel sacrifice is best to go that route, and those who feel that Shepard surviving do that.

Problem solved.

In DA:O, you could sacrifice yourself or someone else or make a deal with the devil, so to speak. It didn't ruin the story, on the contrary it allowed players to create their own stories based on the character they were playing.

[Renew81]

Give me a ice cream ending with rainbows and pony's.

[Wikimajaraja]

txgoldrush wrote...
 This isn't Star Wars either, where Alderaan and Taris can be annihilated but be no longer relevant 5 minutes later....and end on a ceremony. And ME3 is so dark, a happy ending would not be appropriate.

In fact, ending the current universe and creating a new beginning IS A GOOD THING and a smart move. That needs to stay.

No, this is Mass Effect 3, where Shepard and all your choices are annihilated and no longer relevant 5 minutes later.... and end somewhere telling stories about "The Shepard"

All you could say to defend the current "ending" is absolute bulls**t, and you know it.

[Myrmedus]

I would argue there is no "main theme" of Mass Effect: there are many equally important themes. Another theme is "victory through unity", for example. And besides, even if we consider sacrifice to be the main theme, we've already seen plenty of sacrifice throughout the narrative.

This "artistic integrity" phrase is getting thrown around far far too much anyway. Art changes all the time, and a good artist alters their work if there's a problem with it. Not to mention, Art is completely subjective anyway, as the saying "one man's art is another's trash" goes, which to me just further supports how the phrase "artistic integrity" is complete rhetoric.

Modifié par Myrmedus, 26 mars 2012 - 11:56 .

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

OP you dont get it. We want an ending that makes friggin sense. Personally I dont care if the reapers win in all scenarios and everyone dies, as long as I got closure and my questions answered.

[Baronesa]

This has been said before many times...

How can someone, anyone consider an ending with Shepard surviving with crew... a happy ending, when more than half of the galaxy is destroyed, dead toll is on the billions, colonies and homeworlds are destroyed.

Elcor and Batariaans at least are most likely going extinct due to low numbers. Remember the Elcor ambassador when you ask him how many civilians they saved? "Not enough"


Furthermore, a "happy ending" or more like "total victory" ending is not out of line or out of tone for the entire saga, and should fit AMONG THE POSSIBLE choices.

And just as a "happy" ending would fit, I will keep saying that a total fail ending will also fit. Reapers should win if someone runs through the priority missions and don't bother doing any other one.

[MattFini]

Mesmurae wrote...

You don't get to defend artistic integrity when you start photoshopping images from Google. Bioware did a lot of that.

This.  Also, an in-game prompt to buy more DLC tarnishes the "artistic integrity" as well.

[MaYtriX]

Actually, Bioware robbed US of what we payed for when they took away all our decisions at the ending (minus the pretty colours)

[Nu-Nu]

So a happy ending for you is Shepard living, but her/his friends Legion/Mordin/Thane/possibly Tali & Miranda dead is a happy ending? Shepard lost a lot of friends along the way, there would never had been a true happy ending, so Shepard living could still be bittersweet. Anyway, I would like to have had the choice and an ending that makes sense.

[Reign Tsumiraki]

Every damn planet around a relay dies.

In the BEST POSSIBLE ending, the whole sword fleet either crashes and dies, or they starve to death. The galaxy is forever separated, and all the conflicts you solve no longer mean jack **** because nobody is ever going to see eachother again.

I refuse to accept this as the best possible ending. I busted my ass all three games doing what it took to make all the right decisions so that in the last game I'd go into battle with the best possible armada.

Fans have changed endings before. And we can do it again. If Bioware does not take a hint from Bethesda and release an expansion/patch/DLC fixing this horrible stuff....

Also. Art doesn't end with "Congratulations! You're gonna be a legend. Now buy our DLC."

[Jeitiiea]

Personally, I'd just like to see the integrity of Shepard's character be maintained by giving him/her the opportunity to fail, as well as succeed. Current endings utterly reject the possibility that Shepard might not win. That's a shame.

[GoddessLunatic]

CronoDragoon wrote...

By happy ending people mean Shepard reunited with his crew and all the galactic races not screwed in Sol system. Characters still die during the game, Thessia was lost, Earth is a pile of rubble, etc etc. The game is going to be bittersweet no matter what; you sacrificed a lot during the game. Doesn't mean everyone has to die.

Exactly.

[Motherlander]

The Opening post is meaningless because it is a matter of opinion.

We can all just as easily argue that NOT allowing for a happy ending also breaks atristic integrity.

[hatori1181]

Artistic integrity be damned.

"There is enough grief in this galaxy, I don't need to add to it." ~ a Quote from Mass Effect 2 that Bioware should take to heart.

The real world has enough bittersweet or even terrible endings. That's why we play games, to give ourselves the chance for a bit more happiness in life.

[PSUHammer]

CronoDragoon wrote...

By happy ending people mean Shepard reunited with his crew and all the galactic races not screwed in Sol system. Characters still die during the game, Thessia was lost, Earth is a pile of rubble, etc etc. The game is going to be bittersweet no matter what; you sacrificed a lot during the game. Doesn't mean everyone has to die.

Did everyone die?  They didn't in my playthrough.  And, who, other than Bioware has a say if they DO die.

[czombie]

I just want endings that make it feel like the actions you've taken throughout the game count for something. Mass Effect is art, but it is interactive art where the player puts in something, as well. The current ending does not really take into account player contribution.

[Joykilledme]

2484Stryker wrote...

Hmm,
1) Photoshopped Tali's face from stock image - CHECK
2) Photoshopped Stargazer background from stock image - CHECK
3) Apply the wrong theme to the ending AND screwed up its application - CHECK
4) Took content out of game and sell as DLC - CHECK
5) Shameless advertisement @ end for future DLC - CHECK

It's official, ME3 is not art - it's a product that may have a defective ending. The CONSUMERS are right, yet again.

This!

[PSUHammer]

hatori1181 wrote...

Artistic integrity be damned.

"There is enough grief in this galaxy, I don't need to add to it." ~ a Quote from Mass Effect 2 that Bioware should take to heart.

The real world has enough bittersweet or even terrible endings. That's why we play games, to give ourselves the chance for a bit more happiness in life.

You may want to stop playing ME games and watch Pixar movies, instead, if that is what you want out of your entertainment.

Not every story has to have a happy ending.

[ediskrad327]

Hammer6767 wrote...

hatori1181 wrote...

Artistic integrity be damned.

"There is enough grief in this galaxy, I don't need to add to it." ~ a Quote from Mass Effect 2 that Bioware should take to heart.

The real world has enough bittersweet or even terrible endings. That's why we play games, to give ourselves the chance for a bit more happiness in life.

You may want to stop playing ME games and watch Pixar movies, instead, if that is what you want out of your entertainment.

Not every story has to have a happy ending.

that's why there could be multiple endings in the game, varying from Reapers win to "Happy" ending

[lillitheris]

Incomplete works cannot appeal to artistic integrity. EOD.