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[xxskyshadowxx]

They ripped their ending from a different game, so "Artistic integrity" was pretty much already tossed out the window. Sacrifice was not the only theme in the series....it's just what the devs focused on in the final game. Other themes from the series that were widly ignored by the ending was choice, consequences and repercussions of choice, unity, freedom and acceptance (completely negated by all choices in the ending), and succeeding in the face of impossible odds.

Tons of movies, TV series, books and even illustrations have been changed after having been completed, so these arguments are flimsy at best. If Bioware was only making their game for themselves...experiencing it should have cost us exactly $0.

[Straw_foot]

Tali's picture.

/thread

[XJ347]

free17 wrote...

Anyone that would let THAT ending see the light of day has no artistic integrity to begin with.

Yeah, I said it.

Agreed!

[Voidster]

Art is fine if its stuffed on a all and or under glass protected for all to view. If you claim all this is art then it should be a darn movie for 20 bucks that you can sort of guide the characters through it.

No..this was a tragic end to a great series, and i will never touch a bioware product again.

[lyssalu]

liesandpropaganda wrote...

[SonvarTheMighty]

@OP
I agree it doesn't need to specifically have a happy ending but I would like one that makes sense and gives more of an epilogue. As it stands currently we have a lot of plot holes and basically nothing explained after the final choice

[XJ347]

jreezy wrote...

Spectre-00N7 wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...
In fact, ending the current universe and creating a new beginning IS A GOOD THING and a smart move. That needs to stay.

So commiting mass genocide for the greater good is a happy ending?  

What mass genocide?

Geth? EDI? Quarians?

Lets not talk about the trillions that will die from starvation when the travel of food stops.

[chkchkchk]

ART SCHOOL 101.

There is no such thing as "artistic integrity".

There is no one true interpretation of a work.

So it really doesn't matter what Bioware does. The art gods do not care. It doesn't matter.

[Carlthestrange]

They broke the theme when they ended it like this.

[spirosz]

jreezy wrote...

Spectre-00N7 wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...
In fact, ending the current universe and creating a new beginning IS A GOOD THING and a smart move. That needs to stay.

So commiting mass genocide for the greater good is a happy ending?  

What mass genocide?

If you don't believe in that "space magic" technically, destroying all those relays would of commited mass genocide, lol.  But, you know - different explosion = everyone lives.  

[boardnfool86]

2484Stryker wrote...

Hmm,
1) Photoshopped Tali's face from stock image - CHECK
2) Photoshopped Stargazer background from stock image - CHECK
3) Apply the wrong theme to the ending AND screwed up its application - CHECK
4) Took content out of game and sell as DLC - CHECK
5) Shameless advertisement @ end for future DLC - CHECK

It's official, ME3 is not art - it's a product that may have a defective ending. The CONSUMERS are right, yet again.

1 and 2 are true - though there is FAR more original art in the game than those TWO photoshopped pieces - which still FIT

3 is horribly wrong - the ending is totally in line with the theme - I will not argue the execution, that is a legitimate debate

4 is also false and unfair to bioware, they allow you to expand on a game that needs TWO discs the day it comes out and you complain? thanks to people like you DLC ready on day one will get delayed so we have to REPLAY the game or play DLC from post game scene - thanks BRO

5 same message after every bioware game, thanks for playing, you can still play dlc from this playthough... be more bitter

[Edrick1976]

umm I am ok with breaking it. Besides is their not enough death and sacrifice in the game all ready?

[knightnblu]

I beg to differ, it is a commision. If the artist accepts, then that is his business.

[Jackal7713]

jreezy wrote...

Spectre-00N7 wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...
In fact, ending the current universe and creating a new beginning IS A GOOD THING and a smart move. That needs to stay.

So commiting mass genocide for the greater good is a happy ending?  

What mass genocide?

All the refugies on the citadel. Dead cause it blows up and they have no worlds to go to, thanks to the reapers.

Everyone from the fleet stuck on a burned out earth with no mass relays. They get the slow death.

Anyone in the fleet that tries to take the long way home. Again slow death.

The Normandy crew stuck on a unknown planet with limited food. More slow death.

All the colonies. Wait for it......Slow death.

All the planets the Reapers whiped out. Quick death.


Did I miss anything?

Modifié par Jackal7713, 26 mars 2012 - 07:52 .

[CzarViktor]

Jackal7713 wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Spectre-00N7 wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...
In fact, ending the current universe and creating a new beginning IS A GOOD THING and a smart move. That needs to stay.

So commiting mass genocide for the greater good is a happy ending?  

What mass genocide?

All the refugies on the citadel. Dead cause it blows up and they have no worlds to go to, thanks to the reapers.

Everyone from the fleet stuck on a burned out earth with no mass relays. They get the slow death.

Anyone in the fleet that tries to take the long way home. Again slow death.

The Normandy crew stuck on a unknow planet with limited food. More slow death.

All the colonies. Wait for it......Slow death.

All the planets the Reapers whiped out. Quick death.


Did I miss anything?

Kinda. All the refugees on the citadel are already kinda...dead

[DrowNoble]

txgoldrush wrote...

Face it.....a happy ending WOULD break the intergrity of the game.

The MAIN THEME of Mass Effect 3 is VICTORY THROUGH SACRIFICE.. This requires an ending that is bittersweet at best. Yes trilogies as a whole can overlying themes throughout, such as overcoming all odds (which WAS fuffilled in ME3, Shepard DID break the cycle), but single entries in a series or trilogy has their own themes.

Bioware should, and looks like they are, provide far more clarity and closure, however, not change the tone of the ending or provide a happy ending. To do so is selling out and breaking the relevance of the ending....

Hell, ME1 was not a fully happy ending, in fact had elements of victory through sacrifice, as either the a part of the alliance navy or the council is sacrificed, and ME2 is a hollow victory at best. This isn't Star Wars either, where Alderaan and Taris can be annihilated but be no longer relevant 5 minutes later....and end on a ceremony. And ME3 is so dark, a happy ending would not be appropriate.

In fact, ending the current universe and creating a new beginning IS A GOOD THING and a smart move. That needs to stay.

Actually it wouldn't break integrity of the game, because the theme of the game is Choice and Consequence not sacrifice.  Yes, there are sacrifices made, but it's not the major theme.

Bioware stated the ending would be "bittersweet" without understanding the definition of the word.  It means, outside of the chocolate reference, something is both "pleasant and painful/regretful".  Now the latter part we got, but as the endings stand now there is nothing pleasant about them at all.

ME1 was a decently "happy" ending, the major threat dealt with (Sovereign), his lackey killed (Saren) and Shephard survives to fight another day.  ME2's victory wasn't hollow unless you really made a lot of bad choices and Shephard died.  Unless you blundered a lot, the ending was decisive:  Collectors defeated, remaining human colonies saved, embryo reaper stopped, Harbinger's plan foiled and either the dangerous tech destroyed OR saved for use vs reapers.

The star wars reference isn't really applied well.  Taris is referenced in KOTOR2 as well as TOR, so it still has relevance for "more than 5 mins".  Alderaan's destruction was to drive home the point that the rebels were facing a vastly powerful and evil entity.  It's relevance continued even til Return of the Jedi when Luke and Leia spoke of their childhoods.

The ending of ME3 is hardly "a good thing" as it leaves trillions dead, technology gone, all the fleets stranded on Earth (soon to starve) and Shephard doing the reaper's job for them in 10 mins.  HOW you can think this is a "good" ending is beyond me.

Remember people:  HOLD THE LINE

[CzarViktor]

DrowNoble wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Face it.....a happy ending WOULD break the intergrity of the game.

The MAIN THEME of Mass Effect 3 is VICTORY THROUGH SACRIFICE.. This requires an ending that is bittersweet at best. Yes trilogies as a whole can overlying themes throughout, such as overcoming all odds (which WAS fuffilled in ME3, Shepard DID break the cycle), but single entries in a series or trilogy has their own themes.

Bioware should, and looks like they are, provide far more clarity and closure, however, not change the tone of the ending or provide a happy ending. To do so is selling out and breaking the relevance of the ending....

Hell, ME1 was not a fully happy ending, in fact had elements of victory through sacrifice, as either the a part of the alliance navy or the council is sacrificed, and ME2 is a hollow victory at best. This isn't Star Wars either, where Alderaan and Taris can be annihilated but be no longer relevant 5 minutes later....and end on a ceremony. And ME3 is so dark, a happy ending would not be appropriate.

In fact, ending the current universe and creating a new beginning IS A GOOD THING and a smart move. That needs to stay.

Actually it wouldn't break integrity of the game, because the theme of the game is Choice and Consequence not sacrifice.  Yes, there are sacrifices made, but it's not the major theme.

Bioware stated the ending would be "bittersweet" without understanding the definition of the word.  It means, outside of the chocolate reference, something is both "pleasant and painful/regretful".  Now the latter part we got, but as the endings stand now there is nothing pleasant about them at all.

ME1 was a decently "happy" ending, the major threat dealt with (Sovereign), his lackey killed (Saren) and Shephard survives to fight another day.  ME2's victory wasn't hollow unless you really made a lot of bad choices and Shephard died.  Unless you blundered a lot, the ending was decisive:  Collectors defeated, remaining human colonies saved, embryo reaper stopped, Harbinger's plan foiled and either the dangerous tech destroyed OR saved for use vs reapers.

The star wars reference isn't really applied well.  Taris is referenced in KOTOR2 as well as TOR, so it still has relevance for "more than 5 mins".  Alderaan's destruction was to drive home the point that the rebels were facing a vastly powerful and evil entity.  It's relevance continued even til Return of the Jedi when Luke and Leia spoke of their childhoods.

The ending of ME3 is hardly "a good thing" as it leaves trillions dead, technology gone, all the fleets stranded on Earth (soon to starve) and Shephard doing the reaper's job for them in 10 mins.  HOW you can think this is a "good" ending is beyond me.

Remember people:  HOLD THE LINE

Major Kirahiae everybody! Give that Salarian a cigar.

[Jackal7713]

CzarViktor wrote...

Jackal7713 wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Spectre-00N7 wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...
In fact, ending the current universe and creating a new beginning IS A GOOD THING and a smart move. That needs to stay.

So commiting mass genocide for the greater good is a happy ending?  

What mass genocide?

All the refugies on the citadel. Dead cause it blows up and they have no worlds to go to, thanks to the reapers.

Everyone from the fleet stuck on a burned out earth with no mass relays. They get the slow death.

Anyone in the fleet that tries to take the long way home. Again slow death.

The Normandy crew stuck on a unknow planet with limited food. More slow death.

All the colonies. Wait for it......Slow death.

All the planets the Reapers whiped out. Quick death.


Did I miss anything?

Kinda. All the refugees on the citadel are already kinda...dead

My bad. I thought it would take some time to kill the population of the citadel. Doesn't matter, their dead.

So Shepard wins what? An artistic ending of death?

Modifié par Jackal7713, 26 mars 2012 - 07:57 .

[Jackal7713]

jreezy wrote...

Jackal7713 wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Spectre-00N7 wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...
In fact, ending the current universe and creating a new beginning IS A GOOD THING and a smart move. That needs to stay.

So commiting mass genocide for the greater good is a happy ending?  

What mass genocide?

All the refugies on the citadel. Dead cause it blows up and they have no worlds to go to, thanks to the reapers.

Most likely already dead before then. Anything the Reapers were doing isn't the purpose of my question anyway.

Anyone in the fleet that tries to take the long way home. Again slow death.

You're speculating here

The Normandy crew stuck on a unknown planet with limited food. More slow death.

Not genocide.

All the colonies. Wait for it......Slow death.

Says who?

Believe what you want then. Your not asking for a answer, your looking for someone to back up your agrument.
So good luck with your flame baiting. <_< I hope you get what you want at the cost of others. I'm sure it will make you feel better about yourself.

Modifié par Jackal7713, 26 mars 2012 - 08:09 .

[Jackal7713]

jreezy wrote...

Jackal7713 wrote...

Believe what you want then. Your not asking for a answer, your looking for someone to back up your agrument.

Of course you would know what I'm looking for /sarcasm

Did you want a gold star?