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[TheHoneyRuns]

[quote]Relwyn wrote...

[quote]Cazlee wrote...

I like my ME3 ending and I appreciate the concept of Shepard dying to save the galaxy. But look how miserable everyone on these boards are... at some point you just have to step back and realize that making the fans happy might be more important. The least they can do is add something extra to the red ending to appease the fans.
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The ending is so poorly written that just "adding something extra to the red ending" will only serve to ****** off the fanbase even more. If the demand is for them to actually live up to their promises about the endings, then adding something "extra" to the 3 endings..I mean the ending will solve nothing. They have 1 shot to calm their audiences down and if they blow it, it's fair to assume that many will write off Bioware for good.

Personally I don't want that to happen, but we will just have to wait and see what happens. Time is ticking however, and fans won't wait forever...

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Oh, come off it.

Bioware releases anything, people are going to whine about it anyway. At this point in the game, they can't please everyone and people are going to complain.

And "other" people are going to swear they'll never play a Bioware game again. And yet they'll stay on the Forums to rasie a stink and troll around until the next Bioware game comes out and they'll buy that one too.

Bioware has been doing their thing for a very long time. And people have been buying their games and complaining about their games and loving their games for a very long time. They are in no danger of going under just because of a lousy ending, no matter what fantasy vengeance "I'm super important cause I'm the all powerful CONSUMER" lala land you're living in.

[Jackal7713]

See how many people by their titles after DA2 and ME 3.

[Lookout1390]

They photo-shopped an image from the web.

Any credibility they had was thrown out the window at that point.

You seem to think if they change the ending, it's going to ruin it.

You know, cause it's totally not ruined in the first place.

[FrozenDreamfall]

Also,NEVER confuse artistic with art.Games are not a form of real art but they are artistic.It's like saying a mature person,an adult is acting childish.They are acting as a child would but biologically they are clearly still an adult.Something/someone can have the proprieties/attributes of something/someone else,but they are NOT that thing or that person,they just have something similar to them.

[TheHoneyRuns]

FrozenDreamfall wrote...

TheHoneyRuns wrote...

Legionaire-Shen wrote...

So students can refuse to make changes to their essay because they need to maintain academic integrity
and government can refuse to make changes to their policy when economy goes bad because they need to maintain bureaucratic integrity
and football team can refuse to make changes when they keep losing because they need to maintain tactic integrity

Okay, I don't agree with tx, but this argument is a bit flawed, yes?

A student answers to the demands of prof's will for a better grade, a government must answer to the whims of the peeps because that is democracy and football team answers to the owners because above entertainment, companies need to put the people in the seats.

I see what you're doing here, but a video game does not follow the same ruleset. Just because we support their games with our money we are not their editors nor their bosses nor their masters. We are the players. Asking for a better ending, a more cohesive ending, and recieving one would be a gift.

Not an expectation or demand based on guidelines.

Well I do not agree when 70-80 dollars were spent on that game and many didn't like it.If we paid that much for it we can demand it,if we were unhappy and unsatisfied we have the right to voice our opinions.When we were promised something and got something else we have the right to be angry.And if the company respects us already many gamers said they'll never buy another Bioware game again,so this reflects very bad on them as a company.My cousin is in PR and she knows this stuff too well.No,we are not their masters,no,we do not pay them.But without us to buy their products their masters wouldn't have where to pay them from.So in the end it still turns against them.

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And due to increased emphasis on combat and the shrugging off of RPG elements, there's several million of "us" who don't even know the Bioware forums exist. They couldn't even tell you who Bioware is if you asked them while they played the game. They're casual gamers and this is prime casual gaming, complete with an option to turn off any of that annoying RPG nonsense and just shoot things.

And they loved the game.

Bioware is in no danger. The only reasons they're responding to us is because they're known to be a respectable company and because they also have cousins who work in PR.

[LoneSpartan08]

The whole artistic integrity argument is invalid. What about when we voted for what default fem shep would look like? Is that not compromising integrity?

[Jackal7713]

If Bioware wasn't in danger they wouldn't have said anything. Just look at the part of Ray's statement where he begs the fanbase to rate the game high and to tell people to buy it.

Why would he do that if they aren't in trouble?

[MPSai]

txgoldrush wrote...



another bittersweet RPG ending, Ultima VII Part Two.

Choice driven games do not always have to HAVE happy endings.

That was just setting up for a sequel... 

[Mbednar]

txgoldrush wrote...

Face it.....a happy ending WOULD break the intergrity of the game.

The MAIN THEME of Mass Effect 3 is VICTORY THROUGH SACRIFICE.. This requires an ending that is bittersweet at best. Yes trilogies as a whole can overlying themes throughout, such as overcoming all odds (which WAS fuffilled in ME3, Shepard DID break the cycle), but single entries in a series or trilogy has their own themes.

Bioware should, and looks like they are, provide far more clarity and closure, however, not change the tone of the ending or provide a happy ending. To do so is selling out and breaking the relevance of the ending....

Hell, ME1 was not a fully happy ending, in fact had elements of victory through sacrifice, as either the a part of the alliance navy or the council is sacrificed, and ME2 is a hollow victory at best. This isn't Star Wars either, where Alderaan and Taris can be annihilated but be no longer relevant 5 minutes later....and end on a ceremony. And ME3 is so dark, a happy ending would not be appropriate.

In fact, ending the current universe and creating a new beginning IS A GOOD THING and a smart move. That needs to stay.

How the heck is Mass Effect "dark"?

The entire series has been about suceeding against all odds and bringing people together.

Not one part of the series was as bleak as the curve ball thrown at the end of this game.  In fact, the way the ending played out, the galaxy may have been in a better state if the Reapers were allowed to do their work.

There was no victory.  You commit mass genocide no matter what the choice.  And you screw over the VERY FEW remaining folks out there.

So heroic.

[Karrie788]

Ok this is from a while back but...

txgoldrush wrote...



People need to learn their RPG history.

... are you kidding?

The ending for Fallout 1 was perfect. Why? Because it FIT the universe. You went out there, in this devastated world full of monsters, radiations, raiders, mutants, etc. A dying world, completely hopeless. And you were slowly tainted by it, until the point the Overseer had to kick you out (that bastard) at the end.
To have the Vault Dweller run off in the sunset with a LI (maybe that hooker from Junktown? ) would have been completely stupid and out of place. That ending had me in tears, and I loved it.

Same with Planetscape Torment, which you also mentioned. You could expect that ending. It fit. The difference with the ME3 endings is that, not only don't they make ANY sense whatsoever, they also come out of the blue. ALL THIS TIME you were given the opportunity to make choices that were going to, supposedly, have huge consequences on the conclusion of your story.

Except that was a load of crap.

That's why we're complaining. We're not even asking for a "mandatory" happy ending. The OPTION would be nice, if you had to work your ass off to get it. In the end of ME2, you had a "happy" ending although you didn't manage to save the colonists. Why not apply that to ME3? You already lost *billions* of lives and countless friends!

Modifié par Karrie788, 26 mars 2012 - 07:56 .

[Exolyps]

Come on with this artistic integrity already!

[TheHoneyRuns]

Jackal7713 wrote...

If Bioware wasn't in danger they wouldn't have said anything. Just look at the part of Ray's statement where he begs the fanbase to rate the game high and to tell people to buy it.

Why would he do that if they aren't in trouble?

Because EA saw a stormcloud and cracked a whip. That I will admit. But that is PR trouble, as Frozen's cousin would tell you. PR *can* effect sales. EA wants this thing gone because it's CYA time.That's what multi-billion dollar companies do. Bioware isn't the only EA subsidiary and Mass Effect isn't their only property and priority. Other, unknown, riskier projects that aren't effing juggernauts can be hurt by a stain on EA's lapel.

Bioware is not in danger. But EA's name is in this as well and they have larger concerns. There are ants on the picnic blanket and they have a lot of food there.

[txgoldrush]

Mbednar wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Face it.....a happy ending WOULD break the intergrity of the game.

The MAIN THEME of Mass Effect 3 is VICTORY THROUGH SACRIFICE.. This requires an ending that is bittersweet at best. Yes trilogies as a whole can overlying themes throughout, such as overcoming all odds (which WAS fuffilled in ME3, Shepard DID break the cycle), but single entries in a series or trilogy has their own themes.

Bioware should, and looks like they are, provide far more clarity and closure, however, not change the tone of the ending or provide a happy ending. To do so is selling out and breaking the relevance of the ending....

Hell, ME1 was not a fully happy ending, in fact had elements of victory through sacrifice, as either the a part of the alliance navy or the council is sacrificed, and ME2 is a hollow victory at best. This isn't Star Wars either, where Alderaan and Taris can be annihilated but be no longer relevant 5 minutes later....and end on a ceremony. And ME3 is so dark, a happy ending would not be appropriate.

In fact, ending the current universe and creating a new beginning IS A GOOD THING and a smart move. That needs to stay.

How the heck is Mass Effect "dark"?

The entire series has been about suceeding against all odds and bringing people together.

Not one part of the series was as bleak as the curve ball thrown at the end of this game.  In fact, the way the ending played out, the galaxy may have been in a better state if the Reapers were allowed to do their work.

There was no victory.  You commit mass genocide no matter what the choice.  And you screw over the VERY FEW remaining folks out there.

So heroic.

Shep ends the cycle of the Reapers, something no one has done....ever. What are the odds in that? It just comes with a price. Oh wait, in doing so, he brought everyone together.

Face it, the ending ends with a new beginning and the new ending probably will too.

[Fail_Inc]

TheHoneyRuns wrote...

And due to increased emphasis on combat and the shrugging off of RPG elements, there's several million of "us" who don't even know the Bioware forums exist. They couldn't even tell you who Bioware is if you asked them while they played the game. They're casual gamers and this is prime casual gaming, complete with an option to turn off any of that annoying RPG nonsense and just shoot things.

And they loved the game.

off-topic

At least they succeded on making combat fun, I didn't play ME1 after Genesis DLC, ME2 was just sentinel armor AoE rampage (all my playthroughs) but I still play ME3 Multi-player even if I don't need that readiness, for the first time shooting geth/reapers is actually fun!

[firebreather19]

Zix13 wrote...

No. The current ending is a ridiculous state to leave the universe in.

No, it's not. **** happens, the universe got jacked. Because it doesn't suit your "needs" doesn't mean they should throw some pixie dust over the story and suddenly everything's fuzzy bunnies. War doesn't just end and everything's better. 

[gnaag]

I don't think they are in trouble but they will lose some customers and may not get the same number of pre-order sales right away like they used to. This will some impact.....I'm not sure on how much.

I mean I hated the ending of ME3 (I did like the DA2 one); I bought ME3 on the fact that the other 2 mass effect games I thought were great. I would like to see some changes, but hey if not then I would be very careful in any purchases from bioware in the future.

Adding more choice to the ending does not break artistic integrity as anything they make after ME3 will use their version of how ME3 ended. Much like the default starts for ME2 and ME3 even though you get a little more choice for default.

[BuckHammer]

If they release a happy ending, I'm going to be pissed. No, it shouldn't even be a possibility.

[firebreather19]

[quote]txgoldrush wrote...

[quote]Mbednar wrote...

[quote]txgoldrush wrote...

Face it.....a happy ending WOULD break the intergrity of the game.

The MAIN THEME of Mass Effect 3 is VICTORY THROUGH SACRIFICE.. This requires an ending that is bittersweet at best. Yes trilogies as a whole can overlying themes throughout, such as overcoming all odds (which WAS fuffilled in ME3, Shepard DID break the cycle), but single entries in a series or trilogy has their own themes.

Bioware should, and looks like they are, provide far more clarity and closure, however, not change the tone of the ending or provide a happy ending. To do so is selling out and breaking the relevance of the ending....

Hell, ME1 was not a fully happy ending, in fact had elements of victory through sacrifice, as either the a part of the alliance navy or the council is sacrificed, and ME2 is a hollow victory at best. This isn't Star Wars either, where Alderaan and Taris can be annihilated but be no longer relevant 5 minutes later....and end on a ceremony. And ME3 is so dark, a happy ending would not be appropriate.

In fact, ending the current universe and creating a new beginning IS A GOOD THING and a smart move. That needs to stay.

[/quote]

How the heck is Mass Effect "dark"?

The entire series has been about suceeding against all odds and bringing people together.

Not one part of the series was as bleak as the curve ball thrown at the end of this game.  In fact, the way the ending played out, the galaxy may have been in a better state if the Reapers were allowed to do their work.

There was no victory.  You commit mass genocide no matter what the choice.  And you screw over the VERY FEW remaining folks out there.

So heroic.

[/quote]

You commit mass genoice before ME3 even starts. Why is everyone ignoring that?

[Aweus]

txgoldrush wrote...

Shep ends the cycle of the Reapers, something no one has done....ever. What are the odds in that? It just comes with a price. Oh wait, in doing so, he brought everyone together.

Face it, the ending ends with a new beginning and the new ending probably will too.

Errr... well, most homeworlds are devasted, billions of people died, some reces decimated. Isnt this a premise for the new beginning which already happens even before you launch on your final mission in ME3? How does having more options for the ending negates a chance for new beginning in the franchise? What the hell? Keep hammering into this drum OP :/

[valex-jedi]

so much for integrity when there are huge plotholes in the story. And I think you're just a troll

[MPSai]

TheHoneyRuns wrote...

Jackal7713 wrote...

If Bioware wasn't in danger they wouldn't have said anything. Just look at the part of Ray's statement where he begs the fanbase to rate the game high and to tell people to buy it.

Why would he do that if they aren't in trouble?

Because EA saw a stormcloud and cracked a whip. That I will admit. But that is PR trouble, as Frozen's cousin would tell you. PR *can* effect sales. EA wants this thing gone because it's CYA time.That's what multi-billion dollar companies do. Bioware isn't the only EA subsidiary and Mass Effect isn't their only property and priority. Other, unknown, riskier projects that aren't effing juggernauts can be hurt by a stain on EA's lapel.

Bioware is not in danger. But EA's name is in this as well and they have larger concerns. There are ants on the picnic blanket and they have a lot of food there.

The question is what will EA learn from this. Will they learn not to rush games and that popular franchises need to be handled with care because they're popular for a reason? Or will they see bad reviews and waning sales and say it wasn't enough like COD or they should have gotten it out sooner? 

Modifié par MPSai, 26 mars 2012 - 08:04 .

[garf]

That ship sailed when they rushed that hack job of an ending either because EA ordered it or because the Lead writer thought **** didn't stink and thus had no need of peer review. Everyone needs an editor or a first reader. Everyone. there has to be that guy in the triumphal carriage saying 'remember Ceaser, thou art mortal' or the end result is not art, it's crap.

[Aweus]

BuckHammer wrote...

If they release a happy ending, I'm going to be pissed. No, it shouldn't even be a possibility.

You are a one selfish person. This or you dont even understand what Retake fans are asking for.

Modifié par Aweus, 26 mars 2012 - 08:04 .

[RedTail F22]

Why are you against giving people choice? It's kind of Mass Effect's thing.

[Laughing.Man.d8D]

Everyone sacrificed their Shepard's to ensure the destruction of the galaxy, all hail artistic integrity, I feel so much better.