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[Sealy]

Chris Priestly sits down the BW team.

CP: We have three choices represented in the form of cupcakes. We can synthesize with the dissenters and join with them to create some cohesion. *gestures to Green cupcakes*

SW: Eh, we really don't want to take away everything we are so...

CP: We can control the dissenters through masking the flow of information or ignoring them completely. Send in a sleeper agent to slowly guide them towards acceptence. *gestures to blue cupcakes*

SW: We would have to pay them, and with no way of knowing it will even work, it may happen they turn our sleeper agent back on us.

CP: We can destroy the dissenters... *goes to gesture to the red cupcakes but they're already all gone, turns to his staff munching away* Okay so we'll donate the rest to helpless children and watch the dissenters bury themselves as their more rabid supporters complain about being charitable.

*everyone nods in assent, evil cackles all around*

[MatronAdena]

Im honestly thrilled with how it played out.

more over one good turn unto another, alleviated suffering in those who needed it most.

though potential diabetic coma not withstanding.


Granted I have seen a few shouting out in a way even my youngest son would find childish, I'm glad people can still see a positive in the end, that's what bloody matters

[ket_shee]

I'm perturbed. They say they did not see this as a celebration of the game. Are cupcakes not usually associated with celebration? This merely could have been a "bittersweet" celebration.

[Fingertrip]

People are so narrow-minded. The cupcakes is just another poor interpretation of "Hey, here's your ****-up in an eatable-state, enjoy." Who in their right mind would want to send that message to their employees, it's like trying to shove down a form of mockery into someone's mouth and digest it.

It's distasteful and an disgusting act towards Bioware if you ask me. It's a subtle act of bullying, and I don't really approve of it one bit. I don't care if it's meant for a "good" thing or anything, the neccasity of three-variants is enough to make the staff feel responsible for so many peoples shattered-and broken hopes of a "good" ending.

How would you feel if you did something "wrong", and you people kept throwing it back at you, regardless in what way- it's a constant reminder of the poor decision/action you made, it's no good in whichever intended way it is.

Some people really ought to take philosophy classes.

[Mr Indivisible]

durasteel wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...
However, while we do appreciate that fans were creative in how they expressed their views, after a lot of discussion, we decided ultimately the reason that they were sent was not done in the context of celebrating the work or accomplishment of the Mass Effect 3 team. This is a subtle, but important aspect in determining how to pass the feedback to the team.

On the one hand, good on you for giving cupcakes to kids. On the other hand, are you seriously suggesting that feedback passed to the Mass Effect 3 team should be in some way limited to that which celebrates their work or accomplishment? 

Knowing when you screwed up and the ability to admit it is one of the most importent aspects of working for a living. I think that the developers, as adults and professionals, need to face the negative feedback honestly, which thus far seems not to have happened. Appeals to artistic integrity and apparent unwillingness to acknowledge that the ending failed to measure up to BioWare standards do nothing positive, Chris.

He said how, not if. I say we opperate under the wild assumption that the dev team got the feedback, just not the cupcake (back handed complement and all that) and that people that needed the cupcakes more got them.

I know there is a large degree of hysteria, a lot of it rightfully earned by Bioware, but I don't think the team lives under a rock, they can't have missed the message (they might still miss the point).

[KennyAshes]

You know... A lot of people seem to forget that while this for us is about a game, for them its about their lifework/work and for the kids its about life and a smile... So cheer up please

[Nyctyris]

Il Divo wrote...

addiction21 wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

What I'm curious about is, do people really think that by eating the cupcakes Bioware was just going to say "Yep, changing the ending". It was a small, humor-filled gesture on our part, with a bit of bite. Bioware got the cupcakes, they read the notes, acknowledged the ending issue again, and then sent them off to charity. Everybody wins.

Go look at Stanley Woo's post from a day or so ago that covers the "yep changing the ending"

As far as this outrage about them not keeping the cupcakes... Childs Play. The defesne of that from so many that are now acting outraged is "well something good came from it"
Now they are trying to argue semantics of how its okay "something good came from this" but how BioWare used them.
Damn that wheel turns fast.

Indeed it does. It's just a bit funny because about a day ago, this thread was the height of positivity, and now suddenly it's exploding every which way.

????? seems like a mostly positive thread to me, people appear to be generally fine with how bioware handled it, just a bit miffed at the post's wording. 

[Sanrei]

durasteel wrote...

Anastassia wrote...

I can't believe people are upset at BioWare for giving those ridiculous cupcakes to a youth shelter. Are you people even listening to yourselves? I am totally disgusted.

I think most applaud the giving of cake to children. What is troubling is the implication that no feedback will be passed along that doesn't "celebrate the achievement" of the development team. Criticism will be deflected. 

THIS. Criticism is what Muzyka refers to as Destructive Feedback.

[lilidae]

Jaulen wrote...

Ah.... buying adspace to put up a poster of Marauder Sheilds....

[AxisEvolve]

Anastassia wrote...

I can't believe people are upset at BioWare for giving those ridiculous cupcakes to a youth shelter. Are you people even listening to yourselves? I am totally disgusted.

I think you are misreading the posts in this thread. 

[Nyctyris]

Fingertrip wrote...

People are so narrow-minded. The cupcakes is just another poor interpretation of "Hey, here's your ****-up in an eatable-state, enjoy." Who in their right mind would want to send that message to their employees, it's like trying to shove down a form of mockery into someone's mouth and digest it.

It's distasteful and an disgusting act towards Bioware if you ask me. It's a subtle act of bullying, and I don't really approve of it one bit. I don't care if it's meant for a "good" thing or anything, the neccasity of three-variants is enough to make the staff feel responsible for so many peoples shattered-and broken hopes of a "good" ending.

How would you feel if you did something "wrong", and you people kept throwing it back at you, regardless in what way- it's a constant reminder of the poor decision/action you made, it's no good in whichever intended way it is.

Some people really ought to take philosophy classes.

that doesn't really have anything to do with philosophy... 

[Mr Indivisible]

Fingertrip wrote...

People are so narrow-minded. The cupcakes is just another poor interpretation of "Hey, here's your ****-up in an eatable-state, enjoy." Who in their right mind would want to send that message to their employees, it's like trying to shove down a form of mockery into someone's mouth and digest it.

It's distasteful and an disgusting act towards Bioware if you ask me. It's a subtle act of bullying, and I don't really approve of it one bit. I don't care if it's meant for a "good" thing or anything, the neccasity of three-variants is enough to make the staff feel responsible for so many peoples shattered-and broken hopes of a "good" ending.

How would you feel if you did something "wrong", and you people kept throwing it back at you, regardless in what way- it's a constant reminder of the poor decision/action you made, it's no good in whichever intended way it is.

Some people really ought to take philosophy classes.

PR my friend, PR. So far, Bioware hasn't done the best job of it, the current statements are full of back handed compliments and near insults. 

[DiabolicallyRandom]

The gesture certainly gained our attention both with its creativity and deliciousness. However, while we do appreciate that fans were creative in how they expressed their views, after a lot of discussion, we decided ultimately the reason that they were sent was not done in the context of celebrating the work or accomplishment of the Mass Effect 3 team.
This is a subtle, but important aspect in determining how to pass the feedback to the team.

This disappointed me in how it was framed, but something tells me we are all just picking too much into his words. Regardless of my disappointment at the above statement, I am still fine with how this played out, and I am glad they donated the cupcakes.

[Mighty_BOB_cnc]

Eain wrote...

Hey Bioware, you know what I find funny?

You're being offered three colours to choose from, and using your own critical thinking you've made your own decision and said "We choose option #4".

Giving Shepard that same choice would go a long way to showing you understand where this went wrong.

Wow.  Just... wow I'm not sure I could have said it better myself.

[Fingertrip]

Nyctyris wrote...

Fingertrip wrote...

People are so narrow-minded. The cupcakes is just another poor interpretation of "Hey, here's your ****-up in an eatable-state, enjoy." Who in their right mind would want to send that message to their employees, it's like trying to shove down a form of mockery into someone's mouth and digest it.

It's distasteful and an disgusting act towards Bioware if you ask me. It's a subtle act of bullying, and I don't really approve of it one bit. I don't care if it's meant for a "good" thing or anything, the neccasity of three-variants is enough to make the staff feel responsible for so many peoples shattered-and broken hopes of a "good" ending.

How would you feel if you did something "wrong", and you people kept throwing it back at you, regardless in what way- it's a constant reminder of the poor decision/action you made, it's no good in whichever intended way it is.

Some people really ought to take philosophy classes.

that doesn't really have anything to do with philosophy... 

It actually does. I wouldn't expect non-philosphical person to understand it tho, so I'm not going to try even to explain to you.

[RafaelBRms]

kj0600 wrote...

effortname wrote...

There's a bus stop w/ ads across the street from their office. Let's buy the ad space...

I second this notion. 

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This
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[Il Divo]

Fingertrip wrote...

People are so narrow-minded. The cupcakes is just another poor interpretation of "Hey, here's your ****-up in an eatable-state, enjoy." Who in their right mind would want to send that message to their employees, it's like trying to shove down a form of mockery into someone's mouth and digest it.

It's distasteful and an disgusting act towards Bioware if you ask me. It's a subtle act of bullying, and I don't really approve of it one bit. I don't care if it's meant for a "good" thing or anything, the neccasity of three-variants is enough to make the staff feel responsible for so many peoples shattered-and broken hopes of a "good" ending.

How would you feel if you did something "wrong", and you people kept throwing it back at you, regardless in what way- it's a constant reminder of the poor decision/action you made, it's no good in whichever intended way it is.

Some people really ought to take philosophy classes.

I have. Potentially a good deal more than you. I think you misunderstand what philosophy is about if you think it would convince people to not have sent Bioware cupcakes.

Modifié par Il Divo, 29 mars 2012 - 08:58 .

[louislingg]

Wow as usual all the conspiracy stuff is over the top.

Here's the way I think it went down. They got the cupcakes. At least a few BW employees probably privately congratulated us on being so creative and I'm sure they can appreciate how it's funny. I don't have a problem with them donating the cupcakes although I do think it was weird to say the reason they donated them is that they didn't appreciate the sentiment.

I am positive, 100% positive, that they didn't do anything to paint us fans in a bad light or try and create a positive public impression for themselves at our expense. That just woulnd't be good customer relations and it wouldn't be in line with the character that this company generally conducts it's business

[Jayelle Janson]

durasteel wrote...

I think most applaud the giving of cake to children. What is troubling is the implication that no feedback will be passed along that doesn't "celebrate the achievement" of the development team. Criticism will be deflected. 

I don't think it's the fact that they're ignoring the criticism, they've got the feedback, they just felt if you get cake it should be for doing a good job.

[jcmccorm]

IsaacShep wrote...

Naltair wrote...
I consider that a victory.

Agree 100%

A logical victory for sure. For both sides. Not so much of an emotional victory, at least, for the fans. Strong sense of parallel with ME3 ending. Problem with ME3 ending not understood, or intentionally recreated? (Lack of emotional closure.)

Modifié par jcmccorm, 29 mars 2012 - 09:00 .

[Wrex4Life]

Plot twist:
All the cup cakes were poisoned and were intended for Bioware employees!!!

Modifié par Wrex4Life, 29 mars 2012 - 08:59 .

[Naltair]

PedEgg wrote...

durasteel wrote...

Anastassia wrote...

I can't believe people are upset at BioWare for giving those ridiculous cupcakes to a youth shelter. Are you people even listening to yourselves? I am totally disgusted.

I think most applaud the giving of cake to children. What is troubling is the implication that no feedback will be passed along that doesn't "celebrate the achievement" of the development team. Criticism will be deflected. 

THIS. Criticism is what Muzyka refers to as Destructive Feedback.

OH COME ON!

BioWare fully accepts criticism, they made many changes to this trilogy based on feedback.  To say they ignore it is asinine.

[rapscallioness]

PedEgg wrote...

Ok guys, seriously? It's ok for us to donate 80k to Child's Play but if Bioware donates cupcakes to children and that's a publicity stunt?

The only thing you should have a problem with is the reason stated WHY they decided not to accept the cupcakes. Regardless of how they felt about the gift it should have gone to the kids, but to tell us they only didn't accept it because it wasn't 100% we love you and everything you do is perfect here are cupcakes is a little upsetting. Call them out on that alone, if even that...

yup.

I didn't expect them to eat all those cupcakes. Lol. That's alot of cupcakes. I'm glad they found something good for them.

The bolded part is what threw me.

I find it inadvertently telling...

[Sharkey1337]

lol, I totally applaud Bioware in taking a 4th option and actually helping kids out. Man, if we can say one positive thing about the endings is that it's helped out a LOT of kids from Child's Play, Kids Need to Read, and now homeless kids.

Now, about that ad space for a Marauder Shields poster....

[The Razman]

Mr Indivisible wrote...

Fingertrip wrote...

People are so narrow-minded. The cupcakes is just another poor interpretation of "Hey, here's your ****-up in an eatable-state, enjoy." Who in their right mind would want to send that message to their employees, it's like trying to shove down a form of mockery into someone's mouth and digest it.

It's distasteful and an disgusting act towards Bioware if you ask me. It's a subtle act of bullying, and I don't really approve of it one bit. I don't care if it's meant for a "good" thing or anything, the neccasity of three-variants is enough to make the staff feel responsible for so many peoples shattered-and broken hopes of a "good" ending.

How would you feel if you did something "wrong", and you people kept throwing it back at you, regardless in what way- it's a constant reminder of the poor decision/action you made, it's no good in whichever intended way it is.

Some people really ought to take philosophy classes.

PR my friend, PR. So far, Bioware hasn't done the best job of it, the current statements are full of back handed compliments and near insults. 

Wasn't giving them cupcakes with a bunch of messages basically telling them how bad their work was a bit of a back-handed compliment in itself?