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[durasteel]

Fingertrip wrote...
How would you feel if you did something "wrong", and you people kept throwing it back at you, regardless in what way- it's a constant reminder of the poor decision/action you made, it's no good in whichever intended way.

I would feel like I had a job. People expect you to do your job well, nd when you do they're mostly quiet about it. When you screw up, though, everyone take every available opportunity to remind you of it, especially if you refuse to admit your mistake or failure. Welcome to life as an adult. 

[Irune]

Fingertrip wrote...

Nyctyris wrote...

Fingertrip wrote...

People are so narrow-minded. The cupcakes is just another poor interpretation of "Hey, here's your ****-up in an eatable-state, enjoy." Who in their right mind would want to send that message to their employees, it's like trying to shove down a form of mockery into someone's mouth and digest it.

It's distasteful and an disgusting act towards Bioware if you ask me. It's a subtle act of bullying, and I don't really approve of it one bit. I don't care if it's meant for a "good" thing or anything, the neccasity of three-variants is enough to make the staff feel responsible for so many peoples shattered-and broken hopes of a "good" ending.

How would you feel if you did something "wrong", and you people kept throwing it back at you, regardless in what way- it's a constant reminder of the poor decision/action you made, it's no good in whichever intended way it is.

Some people really ought to take philosophy classes.

that doesn't really have anything to do with philosophy... 

It actually does. I wouldn't expect non-philosphical person to understand it tho, so I'm not going to try even to explain to you.

Lol i think he meant that it's a common sence, no need to study philosophy much to understand it. 

[Ilzairspar]

IsaacShep wrote...

Naltair wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...
They did accept feedback, they kept the notes after all.

But sending cupcakes to try and say "You dun f'ed up" is a backhanded compliment.

Why can't more people see this.  The message was made.

No matter how tongue in cheek or how much love... it was dirty and backhanded at the core.  Maybe a tiny core but that is the kernel that created the cupcake drive.

In the end, BioWare made a good call, kids got treats, they kept the feedback, and there was positive media attention.

I consider that a victory.

Agree 100%

Plus you got to remember this.  Just how many people were complaining that we were sending cupcakes in the first place?  Remeber all of those "but that gives them excuse to have bad endings if they know we'll send them a treat" 

They acknowledged that they got the cupcakes and the letters, plus they didn't allow themselves the 'treat'.

Now... they fix the ending and make it awesome.  I'm all about sending more cupcakes that they can eat.

[jcmccorm]

Fingertrip wrote...
People are so narrow-minded. The cupcakes is just another poor interpretation of "Hey, here's your ****-up in an eatable-state, enjoy." Who in their right mind would want to send that message to their employees, it's like trying to shove down a form of mockery into someone's mouth and digest it.

I read the cupcake initiative as a a good-natured jab that the employees of BioWare were in on and agreeable to. A bit surprised here.

[loungeshep]

Dridengx wrote...

XDogSoldier wrote...

RACDB wrote...

When will it stop? What happens if the new ending doesn't satisfy the unhappy people. My advice, let it go and move on.

LOL, you just asked a bunch of gamers to let something go? you sir/madam don't know how hardcore gamers think! who played Halo over and over again just to see the Grunts and Elites dancing easter Egg?

here we go with Halo, I'm begining to think all the whiners are Halo, COD, 360 users. This is least the 6th time I've seen a reference to Halo in the last two days

Ooh. The ultimate in insults. 

Awesome move Bioware, awesome. This whole 'take back..blah blah blah' is hilarious. I hope they string the dissenters along for. ever. Entertaining.

[YeKnight94]

Modifié par YeKnight94, 29 mars 2012 - 09:10 .

[KennyAshes]

Malanek999 wrote...

Fingertrip wrote...

People are so narrow-minded. The cupcakes is just another poor interpretation of "Hey, here's your ****-up in an eatable-state, enjoy." Who in their right mind would want to send that message to their employees, it's like trying to shove down a form of mockery into someone's mouth and digest it. 

Perhaps LoganKey could comment. That is certainly not how I interpreted it. It was a little bit cheeky but overall I believe these were sent out with the best of intentions. The majority of the game was very good, to me this was a celebration of the series, but with proviso about the ending. I hope Bioware did not take this as you suggest.

I can answer here. (and show the initial idea mails for that mather.) 
The cupcakes were send to motivate and show them we care... And to give them something physical at that instead of mails, letters, tweets or other digital or written messages.

[BiancoAngelo7]

I REAAAAAALLY hope that the irony of this outcome isn't lost on everyone.

I applaud needy kids getting cupcakes

(although honestly 408 cupcakes for 28 kids suggests they just used it as an excuse to deflect the reason for sending the cupcakes....I mean they could have distributed the cupcakes to more than one shelter if that was their true intent)

but I REALLY hope the irony of Bioware not choosing one of the three cupcakes which were representing the "endings" (ending) of ME3 and instead making their own choice because none of the choices presented to them were good doesn't go unnoticed by everyone, Bioware chief among the rest.

hmmm I wonder how this could relate to being given an ending that makes no sense, is full of plotholes, leaves no choice and ruins 5 years of gameplay?....Hmmmm lets ponder this.


Plus no matter what anyone says this part:

"The gesture certainly gained our attention both with its creativity and
deliciousness. However, while we do appreciate that fans were creative
in how they expressed their views, after a lot of discussion, we decided
ultimately the reason that they were sent was not done in the context
of celebrating the work or accomplishment of the Mass Effect 3 team.
This is a subtle, but important aspect in determining how to pass the
feedback to the team. "

was completely unnecessary and basically boils down to "if you don't have anything nice to say or congratulations to give, then don't say anything"

Modifié par BiancoAngelo7, 29 mars 2012 - 09:09 .

[Il Divo]

die-yng wrote...

Man, you sure are full of yourself. Who died and declared you to be the next Descartes?

You come into this thread, make some nonsensical comments about sending Cupcakes to Bioware or not having to do with philosophy and if people demand an explanation you declare who is or is not a philosophical person.

Whereas to speak of oneself as a philosophical person sounds conceited in itself, your high and mighty attitude makes it even worse.

I've studied philosphy for years in college and I know my way around, so please explain to me, where cupcakes enter the game?

Ooh,

*claps excitedly*

I like where this is going. I'm curious for an answer to that as well.

[kbct]

QuixoticMage wrote...

This would be my first comment ever on these forums. Sorry to jump right in, but what i read into Bioware's statement was "We don't want to eat the cupcakes because they were sent in criticism and not praise of our work. So that's why we're giving them away."
But that's just my opinion though, you don't need to go spreading it around.

The statement implies they would have eaten the cupcakes and not given them to charity if we had sugary sweet motives. However, for whatever reason, they didn't want them.

BioWare was not in the mood to have fun with this.

It doesn't matter though. Lots of good came out of it. I'm having fun.

[KyuzoS7]

[inappropriate]

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 29 mars 2012 - 09:11 .

[Nineteen]

Fingertrip wrote...

Nyctyris wrote...

Fingertrip wrote...

People are so narrow-minded. The cupcakes is just another poor interpretation of "Hey, here's your ****-up in an eatable-state, enjoy." Who in their right mind would want to send that message to their employees, it's like trying to shove down a form of mockery into someone's mouth and digest it.

It's distasteful and an disgusting act towards Bioware if you ask me. It's a subtle act of bullying, and I don't really approve of it one bit. I don't care if it's meant for a "good" thing or anything, the neccasity of three-variants is enough to make the staff feel responsible for so many peoples shattered-and broken hopes of a "good" ending.

How would you feel if you did something "wrong", and you people kept throwing it back at you, regardless in what way- it's a constant reminder of the poor decision/action you made, it's no good in whichever intended way it is.

Some people really ought to take philosophy classes.

that doesn't really have anything to do with philosophy... 

It actually does. I wouldn't expect non-philosphical person to understand it tho, so I'm not going to try even to explain to you.

You should work for Bioware. You've got the holier-than-thou thing down.

[Jilinna]

Okay long post incoming but I felt it needed to be said.

I understand why people feel like it is a slap in the face but the symbolism of the cupcakes I think was more important then them eating them. The retake movement needs to be careful here though, if the media sees people are complaining that the cupcakes went to less fortunate children instead of the Bioware employes the media will tear the movement apart even more so then they have done before.

If the media sees this they will generalize everyone involved in the movement and say that we are upset the cupcakes went to needy children and will use it as leverage against the movement as proof that we are all just entitled whiny fans that take games to seriously. I would hate for the movement to be all paint brushed like such given how much the movement has also given to charity out of there own free will just like Bioware has done today.

I am going to play devils advocate (don't eat me alive) but I myself think the endings need to be clarified but If it was me I wouldn't of ate the cupcakes either, It wouldn't feel right too because the overtone of the cupcakes are ultimately not celebratory. Its almost degrading to have years of work lowered down to three different frosted cupcakes, it simplifies the endings even more so though then they are.

However it is also a powerful message and a wake up call to Bioware that things need to be explained and modified for the fans. I bet the Mass Effect team isn't feeling very upbeat like you would normally feel if you received free cupcakes. In the end they kept the notes and have donated the sugary goods to a kids shelter I think its win win all around. Good PR for Bioware, the children get some sweets, and the retake movement cannot deny they have been heard. 

Now we just need to wait till April, Its not that far away guys hang in there!

[jstme]

Fingertrip wrote...

People are so narrow-minded. The cupcakes is just another poor interpretation of "Hey, here's your ****-up in an eatable-state, enjoy." Who in their right mind would want to send that message to their employees, it's like trying to shove down a form of mockery into someone's mouth and digest it.

It's distasteful and an disgusting act towards Bioware if you ask me. It's a subtle act of bullying, and I don't really approve of it one bit. I don't care if it's meant for a "good" thing or anything, the neccasity of three-variants is enough to make the staff feel responsible for so many peoples shattered-and broken hopes of a "good" ending.

How would you feel if you did something "wrong", and you people kept throwing it back at you, regardless in what way- it's a constant reminder of the poor decision/action you made, it's no good in whichever intended way it is.

Some people really ought to take philosophy classes.

Bullying with cupcakes. Philosophical indeed.
Listen,Bioware is a company. They are driven by lots of different interests - but mainly financial interests. If people will not constantly remind them that there is something wrong with their product they will not see any reason to fix the problem because (a) after initial outburst people are apparently getting used to it so ( why waste money.
Bioware does not want the fuss (pun intented) because it is counterproductive to their goals of making as much $ as possible with as little unneeded effort as possible, not because someone is offending them.
And fans do not want to let the issue slide because they see that Bioware will certainly not do anything to fix the problem in that case. 

[Kris69]

Sentr0 wrote...

Geinen wrote...

kj0600 wrote...

effortname wrote...

There's a bus stop w/ ads across the street from their office. Let's buy the ad space...

I second this notion. 

Mother of god....thats an excellent idea

+9129319912939!

Jesus...that's a great idea...

[Beerfish]

Shadow Wrought wrote...

MINI UPDATE

For those of you wondering why CTV didnt show up and why Global news did. CTV sent me a message saying that their resources of late are really being eaten up by the election so they were not able to send a crew. Guess global just happened to have more resources free today

And as you know Global studios are very close to BioWare whereas CTV is based in the West end of Edmonton I believe.

[AxisEvolve]

PedEgg wrote...

AxisEvolve wrote...

I'll say this. I'm not in favor of criticizing Bioware for donating these to charity. Remember how we were bashed by the media for donating to charity because herp derp ulterior motives. It's not a good feeling to be demonized for donating stuff to kids. 

I see people in this thread defending Bioware for doing this. I'm sorry, but when did they defend us?

Not once. In fact they seemed to only defend people who gave them positive reviews and people who told them they liked the ending.


I've been as heartfelt as I can with Bioware, as have many others, and it seems nothing we do will convince them we're not being ****s jerks about it. Some are, but the majority are not.

Thank you. 

I agree. Bioware/The media seem to be pick and choosing what they want to hear from Retakers. Despite the positive things 95% of them are doing the disruptive 5% have been getting the spotlight. However, this thread seems to indicate a positive change in direction, if only a little one. Probably because... cupcakes. 

[Geinen]

KeilxKey wrote...


Little drastic, don't you think? 

lol it totally is...but then we just finished sending them 400 cupcakes...

[devSin]

effortname wrote...

There's a bus stop w/ ads across the street from their office. Let's buy the ad space...

I have to say... that's actually some evil genius right there.

Or ad space around where PAX is being held.

Sadly, I think the cost would be too high. But it would be awesome to see what the community came up with for the ad.

Modifié par devSin, 29 mars 2012 - 09:09 .

[QuixoticMage]

dfstone wrote...

I can't believe a lot of you are actually complaining because cupcakes were donated to homeless children. Right now I wouldn't blame Bioware one bit if they just completly ignored anything posted on this message board from now on. Holy crap man, a bunch of self-absorbed spoiled brats on here. Its a frikken GAME for cryin out loud.

If anyone should be donating anything it should be xanax, to all the people that post here.

That's not why I am complaining. I am just a bit bothered by the explanation they gave, it felt like a slap in the face, to be honest.

[Nyctyris]

Fingertrip wrote...

Nyctyris wrote...

Fingertrip wrote...

People are so narrow-minded. The cupcakes is just another poor interpretation of "Hey, here's your ****-up in an eatable-state, enjoy." Who in their right mind would want to send that message to their employees, it's like trying to shove down a form of mockery into someone's mouth and digest it.

It's distasteful and an disgusting act towards Bioware if you ask me. It's a subtle act of bullying, and I don't really approve of it one bit. I don't care if it's meant for a "good" thing or anything, the neccasity of three-variants is enough to make the staff feel responsible for so many peoples shattered-and broken hopes of a "good" ending.

How would you feel if you did something "wrong", and you people kept throwing it back at you, regardless in what way- it's a constant reminder of the poor decision/action you made, it's no good in whichever intended way it is.

Some people really ought to take philosophy classes.

that doesn't really have anything to do with philosophy... 

It actually does. I wouldn't expect non-philosphical person to understand it tho, so I'm not going to try even to explain to you.

I would have said it's more psychology, in terms of thinking about how people react under different situations, and anticipating our own reactions under similar conditions. 

as for being non-philosophical, that's a fairly generalised statement. Do you mean that I'm not educated in philosophy, or is it an implied belief that different people are better suited to logical/higher thinking (irrespective of educational background) and that I am not one of them? 

Genuine questions, btw, not trolling you. I have no objection to you explaining your point of view, and no particular desire to contradict the original statement. But it needs context, and a premise.

[Naltair]

Jilinna wrote...

Okay long post incoming but I felt it needed to be said.

I understand why people feel like it is a slap in the face but the symbolism of the cupcakes I think was more important then them eating them. The retake movement needs to be careful here though, if the media sees people are complaining that the cupcakes went to less fortunate children instead of the Bioware employes the media will tear the movement apart even more so then they have done before.

If the media sees this they will generalize everyone involved in the movement and say that we are upset the cupcakes went to needy children and will use it as leverage against the movement as proof that we are all just entitled whiny fans that take games to seriously. I would hate for the movement to be all paint brushed like such given how much the movement has also given to charity out of there own free will just like Bioware has done today.

I am going to play devils advocate (don't eat me alive) but I myself think the endings need to be clarified but If it was me I wouldn't of ate the cupcakes either, It wouldn't feel right too because the overtone of the cupcakes are ultimately not celebratory. Its almost degrading to have years of work lowered down to three different frosted cupcakes, it simplifies the endings even more so though then they are.

However it is also a powerful message and a wake up call to Bioware that things need to be explained and modified for the fans. I bet the Mass Effect team isn't feeling very upbeat like you would normally feel if you received free cupcakes. In the end they kept the notes and have donated the sugary goods to a kids shelter I think its win win all around. Good PR for Bioware, the children get some sweets, and the retake movement cannot deny they have been heard. 

Now we just need to wait till April, Its not that far away guys hang in there!

You sir have my vote of confidence and my support.

[Persephone]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Nyila wrote...

Did you guys at least read the notes that were attached to the boxes?

You mean all these?



Yep. I have all of the messages (not all were cut out by Fuss, they are the white print-out at back). And those are being kept by the team.

And that's what makes me happy. You kept what actually mattered and needy children got a treat out of this. EVERYBODY won this time. We need more initiatives like this!

[addiction21]

Il Divo wrote...

addiction21 wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

addiction21 wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

What I'm curious about is, do people really think that by eating the cupcakes Bioware was just going to say "Yep, changing the ending". It was a small, humor-filled gesture on our part, with a bit of bite. Bioware got the cupcakes, they read the notes, acknowledged the ending issue again, and then sent them off to charity. Everybody wins.

Go look at Stanley Woo's post from a day or so ago that covers the "yep changing the ending"

As far as this outrage about them not keeping the cupcakes... Childs Play. The defesne of that from so many that are now acting outraged is "well something good came from it"
Now they are trying to argue semantics of how its okay "something good came from this" but how BioWare used them.
Damn that wheel turns fast.

Indeed it does. It's just a bit funny because about a day ago, this thread was the height of positivity, and now suddenly it's exploding every which way.

Well to be fair it seems confined to those couple people that want to paint BioWare in a negative light in any way possible.
And they ruin it for everyone. I in no way think of the whole cupcake or Retake group like this. Just those few who are so tied up in their mindless anger that ruins things like this for everyone.

Good point. As usual, you keep a calm and focused mind, Waffle Man.

If they sent waffles they could not deny them. Even for a shelter!!

Maybe I am just a bad person but it was always going to get twisted into something bad. I know that is not the intentions of either group. Just those noisy few who never get put in their place.

[Chrisimo]