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[wunsleh]

Launch Operation: Marauder shields cake!

[improperdancing]

Chris Priestly wrote...

People are spinning this incorrectly to say we are not listening to "negative feedback" and how bad we are and etcetera.

Wrong.

We did listen. At no time did we try to stop Fuss for making the cupcakes or delivering them (this would be unfair to Fuss and to the fans who sent the cupcakes and a generally dickish thing to do). When the cupcakes reached us, we did not refuse to take them (again, unfair to the people who sent them). I, along with Fernando, Mark and Alistair went down, met with Shadow Wrought, gave him some swag for being brave enough to show up and keep us honest and took them upstairs. We took all of the included messages out of the bags and boxes so we would not lose them (again, cuz we're listening). We did not throw them away, ignore them till they got stale or not use them as what they are, food. We chose not to eat them and gave them to a needy charity.

The message REACHED us. Whether we ate the cupcakes, threw them in teh garbage or donated them to charity is secondary to us getting the message, right? If we had (somehow) frozen time, put them in a display case for all time as a reminder of the message sent by fans, this would have been the same thing.

Us actually eating the cupcakes or not should not have been the issue. The issue was fans creatively sent us a message expressing their love for Mass Effect as a franchise, but dislike over the endings. This message was delivered to us and we got it loud and clear.

Well, a lot of the mistaken interpretations had to do with how you worded your original response, which made it seem like only positive feedback would be funneled to the rest of the staff.

Whether or not that's true, that's how your first response made it sound.

[die-yng]

BiancoAngelo7 wrote...

I REAAAAAALLY hope that the irony of this outcome isn't lost on everyone.

I applaud needy kids getting cupcakes

(although honestly 408 cupcakes for 28 kids suggests they just used it as an excuse to deflect the reason for sending the cupcakes....I mean they could have distributed the cupcakes to more than one shelter if that was their true intent)

but I REALLY hope the irony of Bioware not choosing one of the three cupcakes which were representing the "endings" (ending) of ME3 and instead making their own choice because none of the choices presented to them were good doesn't go unnoticed by everyone, Bioware chief among the rest.

hmmm I wonder how this could relate to being given an ending that makes no sense, is full of plotholes, leaves no choice and ruins 5 years of gameplay?....Hmmmm lets ponder this.


Plus no matter what anyone says this part:

"The gesture certainly gained our attention both with its creativity and
deliciousness. However, while we do appreciate that fans were creative
in how they expressed their views, after a lot of discussion, we decided
ultimately the reason that they were sent was not done in the context
of celebrating the work or accomplishment of the Mass Effect 3 team.
This is a subtle, but important aspect in determining how to pass the
feedback to the team. "

was completely unnecessary and basically boils down to "if you don't have anything nice to say or congratulations to give, then don't say anything"

This!

[KeilxKey]

die-yng wrote...

It's great that some poor kids get cupcakes, really.

Yet refusing the cupcakes in this way makes Bioware seem very small minded.
To react like this doesn't exactly lead to feelings of reconciliation between Bioware and Retake.

Seriously I want this all to end well, but I feel that Bioware is sending one wrong message after another.

Good way to deal with this? Graciously accept the cupcakes, let everyone at BW who wants to eat one do so and donate the rest to charity (even better if they donated something from their side as well).

Agreed. I wish they could have done that instead of completely sending them to charity. But, he has a point. They didn't ask the bakery to not make them, and they did accept them when presented at the door, and they kept all the notes...so, how many points do they get for that?

[Maferath]

Rejecting 400 delicious cupcakes. I can only imagine the amount of tears from Bioware employees when they made that decision. Fans had their revenge!

[kbct]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Femlob wrote...
Now be a man and admit that your mouth was watering.

I KNOW THIS HURTS YOU...r stomach.

I will admit I have eaten Fuss cupcakes in the past and they are mighty good indeed.

Nice.

[addiction21]

AxisEvolve wrote...

Chrisimo wrote...

Gotcha, Bioware. 

And here are the people I am talking about.

It does not matter what happens as long as they can twist it into some condescending meme.

[LoganKey]

********** UPDATE **************

MORE PHOTOS AND FAN NOTES:

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Fan Notes:

"To: Bioware

From: The Retake Mass Effect Movement" –Nterl0k



"It’s not even in any way like the traditional cupcake
flavors, where you can say how many flavors there are or whether you got color
A, B, or C…The flavors have a lot more sophistication and variety in
them." – Peter Ng, James Petipas, and JS17

"We
rage because we love! Enjoy ;-)" – Peter G & LoganKey

“No matter what color, it’s all vanilla ;-)” – Julie, Bernd
Talasch



"From Marauder Shields" – LukeE



“I came, I saw, I............... Colors?” – Julian Grebe



"Hanar are Pink, Asari are Blue No more endings please
in Red, Green or Blue" – Stuart Smith

"You
have a difficult choice to make - eating a cupcake WILL end your hunger, but it
will also rot your teeth." -
Chrisimo & Emma

"Red, Green or Blue - CHOOSE!" - Michal
"XanderCz" T



"May this sweet cupcake, power your creative process
and new finales!" – Pete Driver



"Hope this can help add some sweetness to the end"
- Quietness from BSN



“Enjoy ;-)” – Alexander Guldmark



"Warning; may contain space magic." – mid.arc



“Om nom nom nom nom. For better ME
endings!” - Adam Sie-Grabowski



“Thanks for your hard work. A little more closure would be
nice, like, you know, blue babies. “ -
BSN: Gibsn



"Consider this: the fans want to give [/b]this to you,
don't miss your chance and sell us all an ending." – J Van der Aa



“"Isn't the option of getting something sweet instead
of bitter enjoyable? ;-)” -Dave Schmidt



“Special delivery for Mordin Solu…I mean Patrick Weekes” -BSN:
Welsh Inferno



"Hated the endings, but much love to all at Bioware!”
–Wrexis



"I finally have a way to thank you guys for giving the
world Mass Effect. Thank you so much!!"
-Justin Onofrey



"Now will you give us something sweet as
well?" -BSN: _NF_Von_Lipwig



“Thanks!” - J717 @
BSN



"Thank you for the Mass Effect games. I really love them. But please give
us the promised decisions. Sincerely a fan (i hope you like the cupcakes
;-))" – Marco



"Choose the red one! You'll get to live
afterwards!...That was a joke. ;-)” – Alex



“I've spent the last 100 hours baking many different
varieties of cakes, pies, cookies and other desserts. Please choose from
one of these three similar but differently colored cupcakes.” –Djandyra



“The stronger the love, the
stronger the heartbreak.” -BSN: Trisskit



“Releasing control of this
snack.” – SnakesSon

“Since
you only gave us the bitter, we thought we’d add the sweet! Please give
your fantastic game an ending worthy of all the minutes that came before.” - Vicky

“With Love”
-Marauder Shields

“"Three
choices can't possibly taste THAT good, right?" – SomeKindaEnigma

“Bioware,
you are my favourite group of games developers. I love all

your work. Thanks to all those who put so much hard work into Mass Effect
3, for giving us characters worthy of deep emotional investment, and many
whimsical and touching moments. After experiencing 99% brilliance, the
ending(s) gutted me. But I still have faith, and immense love for you. I wish
you the best. We campaign because we care.

Enjoy the cupcakes!” – Estelindis

"We
respect your vision of the game, please respect our vision too. It's impossible
to make everyone happy, but I strongly believe you can make the majority happy.
Can we compromise? There's no need to destroy what you have already built, we
would just like more options. Thank you" – Tyrone Landers

“EAT
US!” – Joey Billelo

"Sweet
love, tough love." – Kraegon

“No space magic was used during the creation of these cupcakes”
- BSN unsername Cribbian



“Thanks for all the pleasure you have given me through out all your games.
Every game you made, made me being your fan; proud and privileged. But I have a
hard time trying to wrap my head around why such a beautiful game as Mass
Effect 3 could have such a cold and emotionless ending. But If I could( living in
the Nethelands) I would have come to your office and say I trust you to make it
right” - Nardo de la Rie



“Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass; it's about learning to eat
cupcakes in the rain. Thank you for five wonderful years of Mass Effect! Keelah
se'lai!” – BSN: nupferl

"Think
of how proud your kids would be, telling everyone...their mom is Commander
Shepard" – Brett Marszalkowski

“Keep up the good work Bioware! Hope you enjoy” - BSN ID : MrCabal – Belgium

"These
endings hurt us, therefore we are assuming control of your calorie count."
- BSN Syokhan.

"Lot of little blue cupcakes for lots of little
blue children." - avatar0

“Marauder
Shields! Remember his sacrifice!” – Anders

“These cupcakes are your salvation, through consumption!”
-Michael Hollien

[BiancoAngelo7]

KeilxKey wrote...

Geinen wrote...

KeilxKey wrote...


Little drastic, don't you think? 

lol it totally is...but then we just finished sending them 400 cupcakes...

Taking out ad space is, in my opinion, a step in the wrong direction. I'm all for creativity, but people need to calm down on this thread. Good god, BioWare isn't evil and they ARE listening. The situation the cupcakes presented them with was unorthodox (in respect to a video game prostest, if it can be called that). People need to calm down and think before they post. 

Indeed, part of Mr. priestly's answer seemed like it was saying "only good feedback please" but his last post clarifies that. And even if he didn't do us the courtesy of clarifying that, taking out ad space or doing things that are purely "offensive" (both in terms of being mean and offense vs defense) is not the right way to express our displeasure to the Bioware team.

They are people with feelings and dignity just like you and me, and we should always remember not to get carried away no matter how soul crushingly depressing and horrible the ending to ME3 was.

Also, as egregious as the ending to ME3 is right now, for the moment we should always remember that these are the people that brought us the 99.85% of the games that (generally speaking) we liked.

So until they announce at PAX what they are doing to address the ending issue, we should remain calmly firm yet respectful, and if PAX comes around, or if they release the "solution" and all we get is more PR speech or half-a**ed "solutions" then my suggestion would be just to not buy from them and move on.

At the end of the day your wallet is your vote, and buying or not buying is the simplest, most efficient and most dignified way to express your displeasure.

That's exactly why I havent bought the game yet. Between all the Origin stupidity, day one dlc already on disc, and the atrocious ending, there's no way I'm buying ME3 until I see a light at the end of the tunnel...

[Dougremer]

DAMN! This is so good. For once life wins
Great job to all of you!

[Shadow Wrought]

RACDB wrote...

Shadow Wrought wrote...

MINI UPDATE

For those of you wondering why CTV didnt show up and why Global news did. CTV sent me a message saying that their resources of late are really being eaten up by the election so they were not able to send a crew. Guess global just happened to have more resources free today

Don't you mean the Federal budget?

No. Alberta called a provincial election on monday so the province is in full election mode. -.- Oh how i hate this time...

[KennyAshes]

Instead of that billboard lets start raising money to end the economical crisis O_o

[Damate]

Jilinna wrote...

Okay long post incoming but I felt it needed to be said.

I understand why people feel like it is a slap in the face but the symbolism of the cupcakes I think was more important then them eating them. The retake movement needs to be careful here though, if the media sees people are complaining that the cupcakes went to less fortunate children instead of the Bioware employes the media will tear the movement apart even more so then they have done before.

If the media sees this they will generalize everyone involved in the movement and say that we are upset the cupcakes went to needy children and will use it as leverage against the movement as proof that we are all just entitled whiny fans that take games to seriously. I would hate for the movement to be all paint brushed like such given how much the movement has also given to charity out of there own free will just like Bioware has done today.

I am going to play devils advocate (don't eat me alive) but I myself think the endings need to be clarified but If it was me I wouldn't of ate the cupcakes either, It wouldn't feel right too because the overtone of the cupcakes are ultimately not celebratory. Its almost degrading to have years of work lowered down to three different frosted cupcakes, it simplifies the endings even more so though then they are.

However it is also a powerful message and a wake up call to Bioware that things need to be explained and modified for the fans. I bet the Mass Effect team isn't feeling very upbeat like you would normally feel if you received free cupcakes. In the end they kept the notes and have donated the sugary goods to a kids shelter I think its win win all around. Good PR for Bioware, the children get some sweets, and the retake movement cannot deny they have been heard. 

Now we just need to wait till April, Its not that far away guys hang in there!

^This.

Guys, it's done with. It was a cool idea, the pics are great! The message is clear. Kids somewhere get to eat cupcakes, kids who probably don't have regular access to well made treats. It's win all around, so lets move on with grace, dignity and civility.

p.s. Also, I ♥ Eain.

[Bigdoser]

Chrisimo wrote...

This picture needs to be preserved. 

[Cribbian]

Chris Priestly wrote...

I, along with Fernando, Mark and Alistair went down

We should have sent cheese

[QuixoticMage]

Chris Priestly wrote...

People are spinning this incorrectly to say we are not listening to "negative feedback" and how bad we are and etcetera.

Wrong.

We did listen. At no time did we try to stop Fuss for making the cupcakes or delivering them (this would be unfair to Fuss and to the fans who sent the cupcakes and a generally dickish thing to do). When the cupcakes reached us, we did not refuse to take them (again, unfair to the people who sent them). I, along with Fernando, Mark and Alistair went down, met with Shadow Wrought, gave him some swag for being brave enough to show up and keep us honest and took them upstairs. We took all of the included messages out of the bags and boxes so we would not lose them (again, cuz we're listening). We did not throw them away, ignore them till they got stale or not use them as what they are, food. We chose not to eat them and gave them to a needy charity.

The message REACHED us. Whether we ate the cupcakes, threw them in teh garbage or donated them to charity is secondary to us getting the message, right? If we had (somehow) frozen time, put them in a display case for all time as a reminder of the message sent by fans, this would have been the same thing.

Us actually eating the cupcakes or not should not have been the issue. The issue was fans creatively sent us a message expressing their love for Mass Effect as a franchise, but dislike over the endings. This message was delivered to us and we got it loud and clear.

Thanks for the detailed reply, Chris. My issue wasn't with whether or not you got the message or whether or not you ate the cupcakes, but with how you chose to motivate your deicsion to donate the cupcakes. It sounded as if you were giving them away because they were sent in criticism instead of praise, which would imply that you would have eaten them, had they been sent in praise. See how that can sound...well, disgruntling?
Thanks for hearing me out.

[AxisEvolve]

addiction21 wrote...
And here are the people I am talking about.

It does not matter what happens as long as they can twist it into some condescending meme.

Lighten up. No need for you to police the thread, there are mods for that. 

[LoganKey]

I would also like to add, that I fully support Bioware's decision to donate these cupcakes.

Hungry children need the food more than anyone! Bioware got our message, and even read some fan notes for the media. I will post links as soon as the story is up.

Thank you for responding, Mr. Priestly.

We look forward to PAX, and some more (hopefully sweet) news.

[Alex_SM]

The problem is the absurd PR talk of the first message. Just say the truth in a straight way. Everything would be better.

[loudent3]

Chris Priestly wrote...

People are spinning this incorrectly to say we are not listening to "negative feedback" and how bad we are and etcetera.

Wrong.

We did listen. At no time did we try to stop Fuss for making the cupcakes or delivering them (this would be unfair to Fuss and to the fans who sent the cupcakes and a generally dickish thing to do). When the cupcakes reached us, we did not refuse to take them (again, unfair to the people who sent them). I, along with Fernando, Mark and Alistair went down, met with Shadow Wrought, gave him some swag for being brave enough to show up and keep us honest and took them upstairs. We took all of the included messages out of the bags and boxes so we would not lose them (again, cuz we're listening). We did not throw them away, ignore them till they got stale or not use them as what they are, food. We chose not to eat them and gave them to a needy charity.

The message REACHED us. Whether we ate the cupcakes, threw them in teh garbage or donated them to charity is secondary to us getting the message, right? If we had (somehow) frozen time, put them in a display case for all time as a reminder of the message sent by fans, this would have been the same thing.

Us actually eating the cupcakes or not should not have been the issue. The issue was fans creatively sent us a message expressing their love for Mass Effect as a franchise, but dislike over the endings. This message was delivered to us and we got it loud and clear.

Honestly, this should have ended the thread. They got the message (although it seems they've already gotten the message a dozen times already), which was the whole purpose of cupcakegate. I congratulated LoganKey who had the wherewithall to get this done and thank the devs who piped in to contribute to the thread.

[addiction21]

LoganKey wrote...
List of messages

Good stuff.

[Naltair]

improperdancing wrote...
Well, a lot of the mistaken interpretations had to do with how you worded your original response, which made it seem like only positive feedback would be funneled to the rest of the staff.

Whether or not that's true, that's how your first response made it sound.

Honestly that is how you and other fans decided to interpret that statement.  

It was pretty clear once examining the situation that this was not the case and the conflict of interest and perception of the gift lead to the decision to to donate the cupcakes.  Along with other factors I am sure but utlimately it all worked out for the best.

[durasteel]

Chris Priestly wrote...

People are spinning this incorrectly to say we are not listening to "negative feedback" and how bad we are and etcetera.

Wrong.

We did listen. At no time did we try to stop Fuss for making the cupcakes or delivering them (this would be unfair to Fuss and to the fans who sent the cupcakes and a generally dickish thing to do). When the cupcakes reached us, we did not refuse to take them (again, unfair to the people who sent them). I, along with Fernando, Mark and Alistair went down, met with Shadow Wrought, gave him some swag for being brave enough to show up and keep us honest and took them upstairs. We took all of the included messages out of the bags and boxes so we would not lose them (again, cuz we're listening). We did not throw them away, ignore them till they got stale or not use them as what they are, food. We chose not to eat them and gave them to a needy charity.

The message REACHED us. Whether we ate the cupcakes, threw them in teh garbage or donated them to charity is secondary to us getting the message, right? If we had (somehow) frozen time, put them in a display case for all time as a reminder of the message sent by fans, this would have been the same thing.

Us actually eating the cupcakes or not should not have been the issue. The issue was fans creatively sent us a message expressing their love for Mass Effect as a franchise, but dislike over the endings. This message was delivered to us and we got it loud and clear.

Thanks, this is what we wanted to hear. 

We also wanted to see a picture of Casey Hudson with a big smile and icing-green teeth, but mostly the first thing.

[Getorex]

JenMaxon wrote...

Shadow Wrought wrote...
Oh and..


MINE! Well only a couple. Got a party this weekend im bringing these to.

You got one of those black forest ones?  Damn, I wanted one of those.

My teeth hurt just looking at those. 

[tiduspr]

Chris Priestly wrote...

People are spinning this incorrectly to say we are not listening to "negative feedback" and how bad we are and etcetera.

Wrong.

We did listen. At no time did we try to stop Fuss for making the cupcakes or delivering them (this would be unfair to Fuss and to the fans who sent the cupcakes and a generally dickish thing to do). When the cupcakes reached us, we did not refuse to take them (again, unfair to the people who sent them). I, along with Fernando, Mark and Alistair went down, met with Shadow Wrought, gave him some swag for being brave enough to show up and keep us honest and took them upstairs. We took all of the included messages out of the bags and boxes so we would not lose them (again, cuz we're listening). We did not throw them away, ignore them till they got stale or not use them as what they are, food. We chose not to eat them and gave them to a needy charity.

The message REACHED us. Whether we ate the cupcakes, threw them in teh garbage or donated them to charity is secondary to us getting the message, right? If we had (somehow) frozen time, put them in a display case for all time as a reminder of the message sent by fans, this would have been the same thing.

Us actually eating the cupcakes or not should not have been the issue. The issue was fans creatively sent us a message expressing their love for Mass Effect as a franchise, but dislike over the endings. This message was delivered to us and we got it loud and clear.

I have to admit that while I was a bit disappointed as soon as I read the news...it only took about 5 seconds to realize this couldn't have ended better.  You got our message, our feedback, our criticism and, make no mistake, a sign of our loyalty and appreciation.  And the kids won as well.  This ended perfectly.

If anything, I now feel that our relationship with Bioware is more intimate than ever.  Thanks for keeping those notes.  We will keep holding the line.