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[Virtual winter]

Chris Priestly wrote...


Well we were going to, but the hounds we usually release were all at the vets today.

Mabari Charge!

[KennyAshes]

iakus wrote...

GigaTheToast wrote...

I think they get the picture now, but the question remains, do they respect their fanbase enough to do anything more then "listen"?

If not, pretzel rolls next!

Brussels sprouts ftw.

[Chrisimo]

addiction21 wrote...

AxisEvolve wrote...

Chrisimo wrote...

Gotcha, Bioware. 

And here are the people I am talking about.

It does not matter what happens as long as they can twist it into some condescending meme.

Bioware is not a person and a company doesn't have feelings.

[PeterG1]

Chris Priestly wrote...


Well we were going to, but the hounds we usually release were all at the vets today.

Haha! I knew it... 

[Calbeb]

KeilxKey wrote...

I know that members of the RetakeME3 movement haven't felt any hatred towards BioWare and many of the letters and emails that were sent out included that sentiment. Unfortunately through the back and forth with certain disreputable game journalists who like to twist things for sensationalistic journalism have convoluted this fact. 
Cupcakes were RetakeME3's way of displaying our frustrations in a way that isn't unsulting and even alittle bit funny. 
I feel bad BioWare didn't eat them, but I can't complain with the way they handled the situation. They got the message, that's what's important. 

I agree that most members of the movement didn't feel hatred. I would say that many of the more vocal fans did go on at length about how Bioware sold out. How they would never buy anything again. There were personal attacks, and bombed review scores. Every statement has been read between the lines and often twisted.

The cupcake move does not fall into that category, it was a very cool way to deal with it, the same as MOST fans being relatively calm but critical in their responses.

[mrpoultry]

wunsleh wrote...

Launch Operation: Marauder shields cake!

Lets up the stakes and have two Marauder Shields cakes but...with a twist.
A male stripper in one and a female stripper in the other.

[G0ldmember]

So ehm Chris...

twitter.com/#!/BioEvilChris/status/184426281243377665
"Creative cupcake protest respected and appreciated. Still, would a creative "send Priestly a protest Porsche" be too much to ask? #greedy"

..how would this have played out, knowing what you just did.

[kj0600]

 

GigaTheToast wrote...

I think they get the picture now, but the question remains, do they respect their fanbase enough to do anything more then "listen"?

My thoughts exactly. 
I don't know about everyone else but I'm getting tired of, "Thanks for your feedback! We ARE listening!"
Cool, you're listening but you are not doing anything about it.

Modifié par kj0600, 29 mars 2012 - 09:37 .

[Cernex]

Karrie788 wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

People are spinning this incorrectly to say we are not listening to "negative feedback" and how bad we are and etcetera.

Wrong.

We did listen. At no time did we try to stop Fuss for making the cupcakes or delivering them (this would be unfair to Fuss and to the fans who sent the cupcakes and a generally dickish thing to do). When the cupcakes reached us, we did not refuse to take them (again, unfair to the people who sent them). I, along with Fernando, Mark and Alistair went down, met with Shadow Wrought, gave him some swag for being brave enough to show up and keep us honest and took them upstairs. We took all of the included messages out of the bags and boxes so we would not lose them (again, cuz we're listening). We did not throw them away, ignore them till they got stale or not use them as what they are, food. We chose not to eat them and gave them to a needy charity.

The message REACHED us. Whether we ate the cupcakes, threw them in teh garbage or donated them to charity is secondary to us getting the message, right? If we had (somehow) frozen time, put them in a display case for all time as a reminder of the message sent by fans, this would have been the same thing.

Us actually eating the cupcakes or not should not have been the issue. The issue was fans creatively sent us a message expressing their love for Mass Effect as a franchise, but dislike over the endings. This message was delivered to us and we got it loud and clear.

We couldn't have asked for more, methinks. Thank you.

This, pretty much.

I still think you should've at least kept one box, though.

[XDogSoldier]

Virtual winter wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...


Well we were going to, but the hounds we usually release were all at the vets today.

Mabari Charge!

XDog Aproves...

[kbct]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Shadow Wrought wrote...

This.

Believe me guys they got the message. Wasnt like they were all cackling evilly and giving me and the reporter shifty eyes when they came down. Everything was nice overall. I seriously doubt theres any sort of hidden agenda in this move.

Well we were going to, but the hounds we usually release were all at the vets today.

That wouldn't have worked at all. It would have been a PR nightmare if you released hounds to tear apart the Fuss delivery guy and the reporters.

[Ricvenart]

@Chris Priestly: Earlier statement to your second paragraph retracted then, thanks for clearing that up.

Out of curiousity would you eat a "Thank you for the announcement at Pax" cupcake or would that end up going to the kids that will likely still be bouncing off the Shelter's walls?

[jcmccorm]

Chris Priestly wrote...
The message REACHED us. Whether we ate the cupcakes, threw them in teh garbage or donated them to charity is secondary to us getting the message, right? If we had (somehow) frozen time, put them in a display case for all time as a reminder of the message sent by fans, this would have been the same thing.=

(nod) I hear you. I kind of expected BioWare to do something entertaining or clever. Perhaps with a little jab back, but something fun. Something fostering an emotional connection or emotional closure. This was, after all, an attempt at starting a more positive approach that you've been asking for. (Not the best, but a great start with a lot of promise.) This kind of shuts things down.

Perhaps worse, this ending seals it with a dreaded  'donated to children, how could you object you horrible person' landmine to anyone who objects to your handling of this. But what's odd is that you've replicated the very thing the retakers were criticized for doing with Child's Play. It gives the appearance of using a charity to strengthen your own appearance. Oh boy, what a mess.

Anyhow, if you decide to shore up ME3's ending, please don't double down. Try to give it a good emotional closure. Best wishes, entertainment dude!

Modifié par jcmccorm, 29 mars 2012 - 09:45 .

[DungeonHoek]

Chris Priestly wrote...

People are spinning this incorrectly to say we are not listening to "negative feedback" and how bad we are and etcetera.

Wrong.

We did listen. At no time did we try to stop Fuss for making the cupcakes or delivering them (this would be unfair to Fuss and to the fans who sent the cupcakes and a generally dickish thing to do). When the cupcakes reached us, we did not refuse to take them (again, unfair to the people who sent them). I, along with Fernando, Mark and Alistair went down, met with Shadow Wrought, gave him some swag for being brave enough to show up and keep us honest and took them upstairs. We took all of the included messages out of the bags and boxes so we would not lose them (again, cuz we're listening). We did not throw them away, ignore them till they got stale or not use them as what they are, food. We chose not to eat them and gave them to a needy charity.

The message REACHED us. Whether we ate the cupcakes, threw them in teh garbage or donated them to charity is secondary to us getting the message, right? If we had (somehow) frozen time, put them in a display case for all time as a reminder of the message sent by fans, this would have been the same thing.

Us actually eating the cupcakes or not should not have been the issue. The issue was fans creatively sent us a message expressing their love for Mass Effect as a franchise, but dislike over the endings. This message was delivered to us and we got it loud and clear.

As I said before, at least needy kids got the cupcakes if you guys weren't going to eat them. No sense in letting good food go to waste. Especially cupcakes, that's just a crying shame when cupcakes go to waste.

But since you're around, perhaps you can answer this for me. Why all the silence?. I mean really. Is it really a PR thing?. Are Bioware's hands really tied?.

I'm used to people being direct with me, especially when I have an issue with them. Not talking to me is a quick way to make a problem worse, because it leads to assumptions.

And alot of what's gone down appears to be directly because of that. Oh sure, we have statements, but, those statements are left to alot of speculation. And not openly correct speculation, which has lead to more arguing and hostility.

Hence why I ask.

[Oldbones2]

Chris Priestly wrote...

People are spinning this incorrectly to say we are not listening to "negative feedback" and how bad we are and etcetera.

Wrong.

We did listen. At no time did we try to stop Fuss for making the cupcakes or delivering them (this would be unfair to Fuss and to the fans who sent the cupcakes and a generally dickish thing to do). When the cupcakes reached us, we did not refuse to take them (again, unfair to the people who sent them). I, along with Fernando, Mark and Alistair went down, met with Shadow Wrought, gave him some swag for being brave enough to show up and keep us honest and took them upstairs. We took all of the included messages out of the bags and boxes so we would not lose them (again, cuz we're listening). We did not throw them away, ignore them till they got stale or not use them as what they are, food. We chose not to eat them and gave them to a needy charity.

The message REACHED us. Whether we ate the cupcakes, threw them in teh garbage or donated them to charity is secondary to us getting the message, right? If we had (somehow) frozen time, put them in a display case for all time as a reminder of the message sent by fans, this would have been the same thing.

Us actually eating the cupcakes or not should not have been the issue. The issue was fans creatively sent us a message expressing their love for Mass Effect as a franchise, but dislike over the endings. This message was delivered to us and we got it loud and clear.

Blunt and honest.  Why aren't all posts by BW staff like this?

[Dragoonlordz]

Visii wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

People are spinning this incorrectly to say we are not listening to "negative feedback" and how bad we are and etcetera.

Wrong.

We did listen. At no time did we try to stop Fuss for making the cupcakes or delivering them (this would be unfair to Fuss and to the fans who sent the cupcakes and a generally dickish thing to do). When the cupcakes reached us, we did not refuse to take them (again, unfair to the people who sent them). I, along with Fernando, Mark and Alistair went down, met with Shadow Wrought, gave him some swag for being brave enough to show up and keep us honest and took them upstairs. We took all of the included messages out of the bags and boxes so we would not lose them (again, cuz we're listening). We did not throw them away, ignore them till they got stale or not use them as what they are, food. We chose not to eat them and gave them to a needy charity.

The message REACHED us. Whether we ate the cupcakes, threw them in teh garbage or donated them to charity is secondary to us getting the message, right? If we had (somehow) frozen time, put them in a display case for all time as a reminder of the message sent by fans, this would have been the same thing.

Us actually eating the cupcakes or not should not have been the issue. The issue was fans creatively sent us a message expressing their love for Mass Effect as a franchise, but dislike over the endings. This message was delivered to us and we got it loud and clear.

You guys eating the cupcakes or who you gave them away to wasn't the issue. The issue is that you said this:

"However, while we do appreciate that fans were creative in how they expressed their views, after a lot of discussion, we decided ultimately the reason that they were sent was not done in the context of celebrating the work or accomplishment of the Mass Effect 3 team. "

Nothing wrong with him saying that, you did not send them with no agenda as the agenda is very much written alongside the very product they received and which they kept meaning the criticism/feedback. Morally because of such even if not intended to be so it comes across the wrong way as far as percieved bribe. If they had eaten it and not done exactly as you asked for then would of been huge amount of people angry that you bought them something and they did not give you exactly what you wanted in return (you know this is true for many people who would react in this very way even if you personally would not have). Giving to the children while keeping the feedback was the only thing that was ever going to happen and was the only right thing to do.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 29 mars 2012 - 09:40 .

[chris2365]

G0ldmember wrote...

So ehm Chris...

twitter.com/#!/BioEvilChris/status/184426281243377665
"Creative cupcake protest respected and appreciated. Still, would a creative "send Priestly a protest Porsche" be too much to ask? #greedy"

..how would this have played out, knowing what you just did.

Trust me. I'm pretty sure that if the fans were guaranteed a new, better and more varied ending, Priestly would have his Porsche in no time

[Bomma72]

LoganKey wrote...

********** UPDATE **************

MORE PHOTOS AND FAN NOTES:

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Fan Notes:

"To: Bioware

From: The Retake Mass Effect Movement" –Nterl0k



"It’s not even in any way like the traditional cupcake
flavors, where you can say how many flavors there are or whether you got color
A, B, or C…The flavors have a lot more sophistication and variety in
them." – Peter Ng, James Petipas, and JS17

"We
rage because we love! Enjoy ;-)" – Peter G & LoganKey

“No matter what color, it’s all vanilla ;-)” – Julie, Bernd
Talasch



"From Marauder Shields" – LukeE



“I came, I saw, I............... Colors?” – Julian Grebe



"Hanar are Pink, Asari are Blue No more endings please
in Red, Green or Blue" – Stuart Smith

"You
have a difficult choice to make - eating a cupcake WILL end your hunger, but it
will also rot your teeth." -
Chrisimo & Emma

"Red, Green or Blue - CHOOSE!" - Michal
"XanderCz" T



"May this sweet cupcake, power your creative process
and new finales!" – Pete Driver



"Hope this can help add some sweetness to the end"
- Quietness from BSN



“Enjoy ;-)” – Alexander Guldmark



"Warning; may contain space magic." – mid.arc



“Om nom nom nom nom. For better ME
endings!” - Adam Sie-Grabowski



“Thanks for your hard work. A little more closure would be
nice, like, you know, blue babies. “ -
BSN: Gibsn



"Consider this: the fans want to give [/b]this to you,
don't miss your chance and sell us all an ending." – J Van der Aa



“"Isn't the option of getting something sweet instead
of bitter enjoyable? ;-)” -Dave Schmidt



“Special delivery for Mordin Solu…I mean Patrick Weekes” -BSN:
Welsh Inferno



"Hated the endings, but much love to all at Bioware!”
–Wrexis



"I finally have a way to thank you guys for giving the
world Mass Effect. Thank you so much!!"
-Justin Onofrey



"Now will you give us something sweet as
well?" -BSN: _NF_Von_Lipwig



“Thanks!” - J717 @
BSN



"Thank you for the Mass Effect games. I really love them. But please give
us the promised decisions. Sincerely a fan (i hope you like the cupcakes
;-))" – Marco



"Choose the red one! You'll get to live
afterwards!...That was a joke. ;-)” – Alex



“I've spent the last 100 hours baking many different
varieties of cakes, pies, cookies and other desserts. Please choose from
one of these three similar but differently colored cupcakes.” –Djandyra



“The stronger the love, the
stronger the heartbreak.” -BSN: Trisskit



“Releasing control of this
snack.” – SnakesSon

“Since
you only gave us the bitter, we thought we’d add the sweet! Please give
your fantastic game an ending worthy of all the minutes that came before.” - Vicky

“With Love”
-Marauder Shields

“"Three
choices can't possibly taste THAT good, right?" – SomeKindaEnigma

“Bioware,
you are my favourite group of games developers. I love all

your work. Thanks to all those who put so much hard work into Mass Effect
3, for giving us characters worthy of deep emotional investment, and many
whimsical and touching moments. After experiencing 99% brilliance, the
ending(s) gutted me. But I still have faith, and immense love for you. I wish
you the best. We campaign because we care.

Enjoy the cupcakes!” – Estelindis

"We
respect your vision of the game, please respect our vision too. It's impossible
to make everyone happy, but I strongly believe you can make the majority happy.
Can we compromise? There's no need to destroy what you have already built, we
would just like more options. Thank you" – Tyrone Landers

“EAT
US!” – Joey Billelo

"Sweet
love, tough love." – Kraegon

“No space magic was used during the creation of these cupcakes”
- BSN unsername Cribbian



“Thanks for all the pleasure you have given me through out all your games.
Every game you made, made me being your fan; proud and privileged. But I have a
hard time trying to wrap my head around why such a beautiful game as Mass
Effect 3 could have such a cold and emotionless ending. But If I could( living in
the Nethelands) I would have come to your office and say I trust you to make it
right” - Nardo de la Rie



“Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass; it's about learning to eat
cupcakes in the rain. Thank you for five wonderful years of Mass Effect! Keelah
se'lai!” – BSN: nupferl

"Think
of how proud your kids would be, telling everyone...their mom is Commander
Shepard" – Brett Marszalkowski

“Keep up the good work Bioware! Hope you enjoy” - BSN ID : MrCabal – Belgium

"These
endings hurt us, therefore we are assuming control of your calorie count."
- BSN Syokhan.

"Lot of little blue cupcakes for lots of little
blue children." - avatar0

“Marauder
Shields! Remember his sacrifice!” – Anders

“These cupcakes are your salvation, through consumption!”
-Michael Hollien

What a spoiled bunch of whining fans.  (Sarcasm) 

On behalf of all the fans that didn't get a chance to participate in this, I would like you thank you for saying what I have been feeling was so much class!

[TheGoddess0fWar]

Passing up on delicious pastry?

You've got some quad human.

[KeilxKey]

Calbeb wrote...

KeilxKey wrote...

I know that members of the RetakeME3 movement haven't felt any hatred towards BioWare and many of the letters and emails that were sent out included that sentiment. Unfortunately through the back and forth with certain disreputable game journalists who like to twist things for sensationalistic journalism have convoluted this fact. 
Cupcakes were RetakeME3's way of displaying our frustrations in a way that isn't unsulting and even alittle bit funny. 
I feel bad BioWare didn't eat them, but I can't complain with the way they handled the situation. They got the message, that's what's important. 

I agree that most members of the movement didn't feel hatred. I would say that many of the more vocal fans did go on at length about how Bioware sold out. How they would never buy anything again. There were personal attacks, and bombed review scores. Every statement has been read between the lines and often twisted.

The cupcake move does not fall into that category, it was a very cool way to deal with it, the same as MOST fans being relatively calm but critical in their responses.

Agreed. Some of the actions of my fellow fans have left me sorely dissapointed. But the cupcakes we welcome. 

[Kalas82]

Chris Priestly wrote...

People are spinning this incorrectly to say we are not listening to "negative feedback" and how bad we are and etcetera.

Wrong.

We did listen. At no time did we try to stop Fuss for making the cupcakes or delivering them (this would be unfair to Fuss and to the fans who sent the cupcakes and a generally dickish thing to do). When the cupcakes reached us, we did not refuse to take them (again, unfair to the people who sent them). I, along with Fernando, Mark and Alistair went down, met with Shadow Wrought, gave him some swag for being brave enough to show up and keep us honest and took them upstairs. We took all of the included messages out of the bags and boxes so we would not lose them (again, cuz we're listening). We did not throw them away, ignore them till they got stale or not use them as what they are, food. We chose not to eat them and gave them to a needy charity.

The message REACHED us. Whether we ate the cupcakes, threw them in teh garbage or donated them to charity is secondary to us getting the message, right? If we had (somehow) frozen time, put them in a display case for all time as a reminder of the message sent by fans, this would have been the same thing.

Us actually eating the cupcakes or not should not have been the issue. The issue was fans creatively sent us a message expressing their love for Mass Effect as a franchise, but dislike over the endings. This message was delivered to us and we got it loud and clear.

Haters gonna hate...this is the internet...no matter what you do and why someone will always be pissed.
Important is that you didn`t take the cake-delivery as an "attack", it was ment as a friendly, if desperate,  gesture.
Still you put the caretakers at this youth-shelter in a dangerous situation...kids on a sugar-trip are nothing to make fun of..bad move

[Norman250]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Shadow Wrought wrote...

This.

Believe me guys they got the message. Wasnt like they were all cackling evilly and giving me and the reporter shifty eyes when they came down. Everything was nice overall. I seriously doubt theres any sort of hidden agenda in this move.

Well we were going to, but the hounds we usually release were all at the vets today.

Oh ho ho ho.... This guy... this guy's on to something. 

[chmarr]

Chris Priestly wrote...

People are spinning this incorrectly to say we are not listening to "negative feedback" and how bad we are and etcetera.

Wrong.

We did listen. At no time did we try to stop Fuss for making the cupcakes or delivering them (this would be unfair to Fuss and to the fans who sent the cupcakes and a generally dickish thing to do). When the cupcakes reached us, we did not refuse to take them (again, unfair to the people who sent them). I, along with Fernando, Mark and Alistair went down, met with Shadow Wrought, gave him some swag for being brave enough to show up and keep us honest and took them upstairs. We took all of the included messages out of the bags and boxes so we would not lose them (again, cuz we're listening). We did not throw them away, ignore them till they got stale or not use them as what they are, food. We chose not to eat them and gave them to a needy charity.

The message REACHED us. Whether we ate the cupcakes, threw them in teh garbage or donated them to charity is secondary to us getting the message, right? If we had (somehow) frozen time, put them in a display case for all time as a reminder of the message sent by fans, this would have been the same thing.

Us actually eating the cupcakes or not should not have been the issue. The issue was fans creatively sent us a message expressing their love for Mass Effect as a franchise, but dislike over the endings. This message was delivered to us and we got it loud and clear.

i tried to tell ppl that but there are always some people who look for the negative in a positive.

if you did throw them away you would see a LOT of people raiding your offices............also what was in the swag bag

[acetated]

Awesome. Those cupcakes looked damned good. I understand the charity decision. Well played.

[Geinen]

G0ldmember wrote...

So ehm Chris...

twitter.com/#!/BioEvilChris/status/184426281243377665
"Creative cupcake protest respected and appreciated. Still, would a creative "send Priestly a protest Porsche" be too much to ask? #greedy"

I think, despite what any individual from BW may feel about the cupcake thing... they had to discuss it, and when they've made that decision (doesnt matter who agreed or disagreed) they have to all come out of that with the same face and be unified on it. Its a business thing.

Modifié par Geinen, 29 mars 2012 - 09:44 .