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[LoganKey]

Darthlawsuit wrote...

LoganKey wrote...

John Epler wrote...

Darthlawsuit wrote...

We gave you the 3 choices that you gave us in-game. You had only 3 choices. You then chose to do a fourth option that was not part of the choices presented to you. Yet you gave us those choices in-game and told us those 3 choices were all we needed.

Even Bioware does not like being given a choice of only 3 options and chooses another option when the first 3 are not satisfactory. Why is it that Bioware will force the gamer to choose between one of 3 options that are all the same yet will not do the same themselves? Then tell us those 3 endings were great.

Bioware, you really are a hypocrite. We do a gesture of good will and you toss it aside to manipulate it into a PR stunt. Bioware, you have fallen to the Dark side.

One can certainly take a cynical and jaded view of what happened, but, in the end, it seems that this was the best possible resolution.

You guys made sure your message was heard, and disadvantaged children were given a rare opportunity for a treat. I'm always happy to see people choosing to channel their disappointment into creative and positive endeavours, rather than insults and vitriol. It does your group credit.

I agree. Also keep in mind guys, Shadow Wrought talked with some of the employees... most of the devs are on vacation right now after pulling 16+ hour workshifts prior to launch. Even if Bioware had kept the cupcakes, there's no way they could eat them all without them going stale (or throwing the remaining employees into a sugar induced coma).

We got our message across. If Bioware truly acts on our feedback and gives us the sort of ending options that we're hoping for.. we can always send them a Marauder Shields cake.. I'm sure they'd eat that one (and Thomas Abrams would get the head all to himself )

They don't have to eat them all. Just eat as many as they desired and donate the rest. I know some of Bioware's people were looking forward to the cupcakes. To donate them all is a giant middle finger to us from their PR guys.

The best possible decision would have been to take as many as you guys wanted and donated the rest. Everyone would have won. Instead you let some PR guy tell you that this is the best thing you could have done. It wasn't and isn't.

We gave the cupcakes to Bioware as a gift, but also as creative protest. We got our message across, loud and clear. The rest was just (no pun intended) icing on the cake. Besides, some hungry youths got Fuss Cupcakes. So not only did we get Bioware's attention, but we helped some hungry kids.

I call that an epic win.

[joxer333]

Retake the cupcake line! They are making it seem like us giving them cupcakess was a bad thing? Never!

[Naltair]

Why is it so important for BioWare employees to eat these cupcakes? The message is all that matters or am I missing some hidden subtext here?

[Quietness]

Naltair wrote...

Why is it so important for BioWare employees to eat these cupcakes? The message is all that matters or am I missing some hidden subtext here?

I think the people that are raging are hung up on exactly one sentence in what was stated. Those people keep over analzying it, which results in foaming at the mouth. It was a poorly worded sentence that read like a jab. Reasonable response is to simply shrug and go "oh well that was kinda expected, at least they didnt throw it out".

[Goroxx]

John Epler wrote...

One can certainly take a cynical and jaded view of what happened, but, in the end, it seems that this was the best possible resolution.

You guys made sure your message was heard, and disadvantaged children were given a rare opportunity for a treat. I'm always happy to see people choosing to channel their disappointment into creative and positive endeavours, rather than insults and vitriol. It does your group credit.

I do hope that you all there at Bioware are ignoring the spewing vitrol; some folks want to rage no matter what.  The vast majority who've posted on this thread recognize the goodwill in which the 'cakes were sent, and the goodwill in which you forwarded them on to kids who'll really appreciate them.  

I do so wish that the haters would just plain go away, but that'll never happen.  Way to obfuscate the message there, good going. /sarcasm

[dcal31]

So, I don't know if anyone has posted this yet, but this should be the theme song for the Retake Movement, with permission of course. It's by Miracle of Sound, the same guy that did the excellent Commander Shepard Song.

[Quietness]

dcal31 wrote...

So, I don't know if anyone has posted this yet, but this should be the theme song for the Retake Movement, with permission of course. It's by Miracle of Sound, the same guy that did the excellent Commander Shepard Song.

 

[Sealy]

joxer333 wrote...

Retake the cupcake line! They are making it seem like us giving them cupcakess was a bad thing? Never!

Nope, they didn't make it seem like giving the cupcakes was a bad thing at all. A lot of you are making your reactions the "bad thing". Honestly you are doing your cause and your friends a disservice by opening those pie (cupcake?) holes and telling Bioware off for donating the cupcakes to charity. Which is obviously the only logical choice.

[Sanrei]

I definitely prefer realperson Chris Priestly to PR Chris Priestly, in regards to what happened earlier in the thread.

@Fleshdress:

The problem was the way Priestly's post was worded gave us the impression the only reason they were given away was because they were not given to them purely as a thank you gift/in support of the devs.

This made people unhappy.

Modifié par PedEgg, 30 mars 2012 - 04:53 .

[BoneNinja]

Chris Priestly wrote...
PR hates me.

Personally, I'm totally on the side of anyone in any company that PR hates...

Keep up the good work Chris!

[masterthehero]

Well this was really awesome to witness, I personally accepted the ending for what it was, but I'm glad to see the cupcakes were put to good use.

[Esquin]

John Epler wrote...

Darthlawsuit wrote...

We gave you the 3 choices that you gave us in-game. You had only 3 choices. You then chose to do a fourth option that was not part of the choices presented to you. Yet you gave us those choices in-game and told us those 3 choices were all we needed.

Even Bioware does not like being given a choice of only 3 options and chooses another option when the first 3 are not satisfactory. Why is it that Bioware will force the gamer to choose between one of 3 options that are all the same yet will not do the same themselves? Then tell us those 3 endings were great.

Bioware, you really are a hypocrite. We do a gesture of good will and you toss it aside to manipulate it into a PR stunt. Bioware, you have fallen to the Dark side.

One can certainly take a cynical and jaded view of what happened, but, in the end, it seems that this was the best possible resolution.

You guys made sure your message was heard, and disadvantaged children were given a rare opportunity for a treat. I'm always happy to see people choosing to channel their disappointment into creative and positive endeavours, rather than insults and vitriol. It does your group credit.

All well and good. But you've got to keep in mind that we have not really been given any reason to believe we're being heard. Every comment that hints at us having been heard seems to dismiss us in the same sentence.

We're not going to trust you on blind faith anymore. You showed that you are disconnected with us by releasing that ending. You've continued to show this by refusing to offer any substantial comment on it. I'm not saying you should tell us every detail or anything.

But if there is a plan, if there is a goal let us know. If there is an ending related DLC tell us. You've just said that we will get clarity and answers. What does that mean? We want closure. Tell us if we'll get that and in what format. Will it be additional cut scenes at the end, whole new playable sections.

Keep in mind though and please pass this on to the bosses. Anything attempting to offer clarity that happens before the ending is not good enough. We want to know the outcome of our final decision. Thats what we want. Anything taking place before that will just cause the line to charge with guns blazing.

[joxer333]

Fleshdress wrote...

joxer333 wrote...

Retake the cupcake line! They are making it seem like us giving them cupcakess was a bad thing? Never!

Nope, they didn't make it seem like giving the cupcakes was a bad thing at all. A lot of you are making your reactions the "bad thing". Honestly you are doing your cause and your friends a disservice by opening those pie (cupcake?) holes and telling Bioware off for donating the cupcakes to charity. Which is obviously the only logical choice.

Ohhh ok that makes much more sense 

[Sealy]

Esquin wrote...

John Epler wrote...

Darthlawsuit wrote...

We gave you the 3 choices that you gave us in-game. You had only 3 choices. You then chose to do a fourth option that was not part of the choices presented to you. Yet you gave us those choices in-game and told us those 3 choices were all we needed.

Even Bioware does not like being given a choice of only 3 options and chooses another option when the first 3 are not satisfactory. Why is it that Bioware will force the gamer to choose between one of 3 options that are all the same yet will not do the same themselves? Then tell us those 3 endings were great.

Bioware, you really are a hypocrite. We do a gesture of good will and you toss it aside to manipulate it into a PR stunt. Bioware, you have fallen to the Dark side.

One can certainly take a cynical and jaded view of what happened, but, in the end, it seems that this was the best possible resolution.

You guys made sure your message was heard, and disadvantaged children were given a rare opportunity for a treat. I'm always happy to see people choosing to channel their disappointment into creative and positive endeavours, rather than insults and vitriol. It does your group credit.

All well and good. But you've got to keep in mind that we have not really been given any reason to believe we're being heard. Every comment that hints at us having been heard seems to dismiss us in the same sentence.

We're not going to trust you on blind faith anymore. You showed that you are disconnected with us by releasing that ending. You've continued to show this by refusing to offer any substantial comment on it. I'm not saying you should tell us every detail or anything.

But if there is a plan, if there is a goal let us know. If there is an ending related DLC tell us. You've just said that we will get clarity and answers. What does that mean? We want closure. Tell us if we'll get that and in what format. Will it be additional cut scenes at the end, whole new playable sections.

Keep in mind though and please pass this on to the bosses. Anything attempting to offer clarity that happens before the ending is not good enough. We want to know the outcome of our final decision. Thats what we want. Anything taking place before that will just cause the line to charge with guns blazing.

Please don't pass that on to the bosses. Truely many fans are pleased to know you are listening and are waiting patiently. Some people just won't be pleased, no matter what is said or done. But the fans that you want, the ones that keep positive... they deserve whatever you can give them.

[joxer333]

Quietness wrote...

dcal31 wrote...

So, I don't know if anyone has posted this yet, but this should be the theme song for the Retake Movement, with permission of course. It's by Miracle of Sound, the same guy that did the excellent Commander Shepard Song.

 

If they make the commander Shepard song the retake mass effect theme song I'll jump for joy!

[Esquin]

Fleshdress wrote...

Esquin wrote...

John Epler wrote...

Darthlawsuit wrote...

We gave you the 3 choices that you gave us in-game. You had only 3 choices. You then chose to do a fourth option that was not part of the choices presented to you. Yet you gave us those choices in-game and told us those 3 choices were all we needed.

Even Bioware does not like being given a choice of only 3 options and chooses another option when the first 3 are not satisfactory. Why is it that Bioware will force the gamer to choose between one of 3 options that are all the same yet will not do the same themselves? Then tell us those 3 endings were great.

Bioware, you really are a hypocrite. We do a gesture of good will and you toss it aside to manipulate it into a PR stunt. Bioware, you have fallen to the Dark side.

One can certainly take a cynical and jaded view of what happened, but, in the end, it seems that this was the best possible resolution.

You guys made sure your message was heard, and disadvantaged children were given a rare opportunity for a treat. I'm always happy to see people choosing to channel their disappointment into creative and positive endeavours, rather than insults and vitriol. It does your group credit.

All well and good. But you've got to keep in mind that we have not really been given any reason to believe we're being heard. Every comment that hints at us having been heard seems to dismiss us in the same sentence.

We're not going to trust you on blind faith anymore. You showed that you are disconnected with us by releasing that ending. You've continued to show this by refusing to offer any substantial comment on it. I'm not saying you should tell us every detail or anything.

But if there is a plan, if there is a goal let us know. If there is an ending related DLC tell us. You've just said that we will get clarity and answers. What does that mean? We want closure. Tell us if we'll get that and in what format. Will it be additional cut scenes at the end, whole new playable sections.

Keep in mind though and please pass this on to the bosses. Anything attempting to offer clarity that happens before the ending is not good enough. We want to know the outcome of our final decision. Thats what we want. Anything taking place before that will just cause the line to charge with guns blazing.

Please don't pass that on to the bosses. Truely many fans are pleased to know you are listening and are waiting patiently. Some people just won't be pleased, no matter what is said or done. But the fans that you want, the ones that keep positive... they deserve whatever you can give them.

Kindly stop talking. If you're happy with being dismissed and having your feelings dismissed that's up to you.

But most of us are not like that. We want some kind of response that actually has substantive concept. Not just a vague hinting that they might do something but we can't be sure what.

[Quietness]

Esquin wrote...

Fleshdress wrote...

Esquin wrote...

John Epler wrote...

Darthlawsuit wrote...

We gave you the 3 choices that you gave us in-game. You had only 3 choices. You then chose to do a fourth option that was not part of the choices presented to you. Yet you gave us those choices in-game and told us those 3 choices were all we needed.

Even Bioware does not like being given a choice of only 3 options and chooses another option when the first 3 are not satisfactory. Why is it that Bioware will force the gamer to choose between one of 3 options that are all the same yet will not do the same themselves? Then tell us those 3 endings were great.

Bioware, you really are a hypocrite. We do a gesture of good will and you toss it aside to manipulate it into a PR stunt. Bioware, you have fallen to the Dark side.

One can certainly take a cynical and jaded view of what happened, but, in the end, it seems that this was the best possible resolution.

You guys made sure your message was heard, and disadvantaged children were given a rare opportunity for a treat. I'm always happy to see people choosing to channel their disappointment into creative and positive endeavours, rather than insults and vitriol. It does your group credit.

All well and good. But you've got to keep in mind that we have not really been given any reason to believe we're being heard. Every comment that hints at us having been heard seems to dismiss us in the same sentence.

We're not going to trust you on blind faith anymore. You showed that you are disconnected with us by releasing that ending. You've continued to show this by refusing to offer any substantial comment on it. I'm not saying you should tell us every detail or anything.

But if there is a plan, if there is a goal let us know. If there is an ending related DLC tell us. You've just said that we will get clarity and answers. What does that mean? We want closure. Tell us if we'll get that and in what format. Will it be additional cut scenes at the end, whole new playable sections.

Keep in mind though and please pass this on to the bosses. Anything attempting to offer clarity that happens before the ending is not good enough. We want to know the outcome of our final decision. Thats what we want. Anything taking place before that will just cause the line to charge with guns blazing.

Please don't pass that on to the bosses. Truely many fans are pleased to know you are listening and are waiting patiently. Some people just won't be pleased, no matter what is said or done. But the fans that you want, the ones that keep positive... they deserve whatever you can give them.

Kindly stop talking. If you're happy with being dismissed and having your feelings dismissed that's up to you.

But most of us are not like that. We want some kind of response that actually has substantive concept. Not just a vague hinting that they might do something but we can't be sure what.

Actually i think that everyone should stop speaking for everyone else. Weigh your opinon and don't try and make it seem larger than it is. If others agree they will voice their opinon if they feel strongly enough.

[Buffy-Summers]

I dont care what they did with the cupcakes

But that canned PR response to the message of the cup cakes mocked every single person who has a negative opinion of their ending.

It implied they only want positive feedback

They are listening if you are a sycophant and praise their art but if you have a problem with the plot holes, the bitter bitter ending, and all the rest, they are holding their hands over their ears and screaming BLAH BLAH BLAH

Every single response from EA/Bioware has been deflect the issue or try to wait out the controversy

[Sanrei]

Building on what Esquin is saying:

People are anxious. April isn't far off but at the same time, April as a time frame is very large.
It feels like we're stumbling in the dark, we've seen multiple tweets
telling people the ending isn't going to be changed, we're just going to
get clarity and closure, which frankly, is only half the problem if you
ask many people. I don't know about anyone else, but every time I hear
those words my stomach goes into knots.

In fact between the PR speak and the way Muzyka seemed to weigh the upset fans and the happy
fans and reviewers in the same breath and the deleted/edited tweets or
the extremely vague and secretive tweets you have a bunch of people who
would otherwise be playing the game they love sitting here monitoring
everything that happens for some shred of hope growing more anxious and
confused day by day. And of course we're going to eat up and analyze every word that is given to us.

I tried going back and playing ME1 and even tried jumping back into an even older favorite(Soul Reaver) but I always keep coming back and spending my free time here or on the mass effect subreddit. I'm trying so hard to just not think about it and not give a crap because it'd be easier and I'd have less things said in the heat of the moment to regret.

EDIT: And before I get ragged on for "speaking for people" let this be a disclaimer that this is what seems to be the issue in my eyes. I feel you can either say people are anxious and we're not getting a whole lot of information and have been heavily abused by the media and that's why many people are on a hair trigger or you can paint them as impatient, selfish, angry and out for blood. I like to see the good in people.

Modifié par PedEgg, 30 mars 2012 - 05:28 .

[Naltair]

Quietness wrote...

Actually i think that everyone should stop speaking for everyone else. Weigh your opinon and don't try and make it seem larger than it is. If others agree they will voice their opinon if they feel strongly enough.

I agree, this irks me quite abit.  Especially when I know that said individual is not speaking for me at all.

[Fuzrum77]

Bioware receives our message. Underprivileged kids get the cupcakes. Win across the board. 'Nuff said.

[HenchxNarf]

It seems to me, and correct me if I'm wrong, this LoganKey fellow only did this, or came up with this for the 'publicity' he seems to be getting from the interviews.

Don't get me wrong, the cupcakes going to the kids is amazing. But the message behind them seems a bit...skewed. Like partially it's a middle finger to Bioware in a creative manner, and partially "hey! I'm going to get internet famous out of this!" from the creator of this..I don't know what to call the cupcake thing. 

Like there are two different reasons going on here.

I'm not trying to be jaded or anything, it was just an observation from what I've seen thus far.

Modifié par HenchxNarf, 30 mars 2012 - 05:27 .

[Jayce]

I wondered how long before one of the usual suspects weighed in again....

[Fuzrum77]

HenchxNarf wrote...

It seems to me, and correct me if I'm wrong, this LoganKey fellow only did this, or came up with this for the 'publicity' he seems to be getting from the interviews.

Don't get me wrong, the cupcakes going to the kids is amazing. But the message behind them seems a bit...skewed. Like partially it's a middle finger to Bioware in a creative manner, and partially "hey! I'm going to get internet famous out of this!" from the creator of this..I don't know what to call the cupcake thing. 

Like there are two different reasons going on here.

I'm not trying to be jaded or anything, it was just an observation from what I've seen thus far.

I see what you're saying. And I understand why Bioware "passed" on the cupcakes. No question it was a mixed message coming at them. But the message was received loud and clear. I think that's what's important. I don't expressly want to hurt the feelings of the developers but, this message was necessary. But no matter what: glad the underprivileged kids can benefit. (Those cupcakes looked delicious) Dammit. Now i'm hungry. For cupcakes. Obviously.

Edit: Why can I not spell cupcakes correctly? Seriously.

Modifié par Fuzrum77, 30 mars 2012 - 05:36 .

[BigZ7337]

This was an interesting development, I understand where Bioware's coming from, but I'm still a little disappointed that the developers didn't get a chance to eat the cupcakes. I mean we aren't upset with the performance of the whole Mass Effect team as they made a great game, really we're mostly only disappointed in the writing team (Perhaps only the head writer and Casey). It seems like this was a purely PR/management decision, where they knew that if Bioware accepted and ate the cupcakes it could look bad (It could even be taken as a successful bribe if they do change the ending), but if they threw them out it could look really bad for them. Instead they went the route of giving the cupcakes to charity, which is really the best possible move. I just wish the message from Chris was a little more personable, or had something else to it, as it was it sounded a tad douchey.

However, I must say that the cupcakes looked delicious, Fuss did a great job, it makes me wish I lived in/around Edmonton.

Modifié par BigZ7337, 30 mars 2012 - 05:36 .