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[AJRimmsey]

Ozai75 wrote...

Really? Why do some people (AJRimmsey) have to come into a thread to call other people cretins with misplaced entitlement? While I don't disagree that anger solves nothing it is a logical outcome of the disappointment that passionate fans feel when something they love and have invested copious amounts of time and money on is degraded and ended on such a poor note.

considering what your group has done and said over the last few weeks i dont think any of you have the right to grab any mature high ground.

as soon as anyone tells you how pathetic and self entitled this whole thing was they are "trolling".

yet you feel its ok to enter and derail every pro game thread no matter who started it.

tell me..what do you find so offensive about people who actually enjoyed the game and didnt feel the need to demand more?



and yes..i do think the "mob mentality" is cretinous

Modifié par AJRimmsey, 30 mars 2012 - 04:46 .

[InvincibleHero]

Kudos to those that donated and made some children very happy. I may not agree with your stance of wanting to change someone else's writing, but you did some good. That is very commendable.

[Sealy]

AJRimmsey wrote...

interesting that such a "fanbase" found the time and money to denegrate bioware,yet have never found the same time and money to actually do a decent thing like thank them for thier work over the years.

I think buying their games/dlc/whatever they put out is the fanbases way of thanking them for their work.
 
Was actually discussing this with buisness buddies yesterday. (I know, you're all so famous now!)

Since Bioware/EA is a buisness there is only one way to really protest them and thats with your wallet. With all buisnesses you pull your money and refuse to hand any more over until the product is back up to what you consider is good.

These actions so far actually isn't protesting, they are merely making sure they have Biowares ear, which they have accomplished. We'll see either acceptence or a true show of protesting (pulling all support) after PAX. I suspect that if things go sideways there will be a massive amount of games returned/traded in.

[AJRimmsey]

InvincibleHero wrote...

Kudos to those that donated and made some children very happy. I may not agree with your stance of wanting to change someone else's writing, but you did some good. That is very commendable.

ahhh but true to form they got angry when BIOWARE donated the cakes to a youth centre.

so kudos to bioware really

[soclara]

AJRimmsey wrote...

InvincibleHero wrote...

Kudos to those that donated and made some children very happy. I may not agree with your stance of wanting to change someone else's writing, but you did some good. That is very commendable.

ahhh but true to form they got angry when BIOWARE donated the cakes to a youth centre.

so kudos to bioware really

Everyone got angry? You're judging an entire group based on a couple of people.

[AJRimmsey]

soclara wrote...

AJRimmsey wrote...

InvincibleHero wrote...

Kudos to those that donated and made some children very happy. I may not agree with your stance of wanting to change someone else's writing, but you did some good. That is very commendable.

ahhh but true to form they got angry when BIOWARE donated the cakes to a youth centre.

so kudos to bioware really

Everyone got angry? You're judging an entire group based on a couple of people.

seems fair when the same group uses "majority" and "most gamers" or "everyone who is silent" etc etc in almost every post.

or is this yet another double standard ?

[John Epler]

Alright, that's enough bickering. AJRimmsey, please avoid posting in an unnecessarily confrontational manner, thank you. Tarring an entire group because of the actions or words of a few is something I'd recommend against.

[InvincibleHero]

AJRimmsey wrote...

InvincibleHero wrote...

Kudos to those that donated and made some children very happy. I may not agree with your stance of wanting to change someone else's writing, but you did some good. That is very commendable.

ahhh but true to form they got angry when BIOWARE donated the cakes to a youth centre.

so kudos to bioware really

Well a few may have had poor reactions, but that is beside the point. Once a gift is received the new owner has a right to do with it as they wish. There was no precondition like with endowments to colleges.

So if they never sent cupcakes then the children would not have gotten any. It is good they chose something edible for making their point. Yes BW made a great decision, but it was in the name of the people that sent them.

[jcmccorm]

AJRimmsey wrote...
Kudos to those that donated and made some children very happy.

A quick clarification:

Are you primarily praising BioWare for their generosity and belief in supporting a particular cause? Or is your praise primarily based off of BioWare for handling the disposal of a troublesome asset in a politically astute way? Or is the praise more for an apparent rejection of the entire event?

[jcmccorm]

InvincibleHero wrote...
Well a few may have had poor reactions, but that is beside the point. Once a gift is received the new owner has a right to do with it as they wish. There was no precondition like with endowments to colleges.

I have a birthday next week. Do you think anyone would be offended if I put Goodwill on speakerphone while I open the presents, and then regift anything to Goodwill, then and there, that I don't want?

Would "generous" be the word to describe such a person?

So I think some questioning of the donation is understandable, at least.

Modifié par jcmccorm, 30 mars 2012 - 05:40 .

[InvincibleHero]

jcmccorm wrote...

InvincibleHero wrote...
Well a few may have had poor reactions, but that is beside the point. Once a gift is received the new owner has a right to do with it as they wish. There was no precondition like with endowments to colleges.

I have a birthday next week. Do you think anyone would be offended if I put Goodwill on speakerphone while I open the presents, and then regift anything to Goodwill, then and there, that I don't want?

Would "generous" be the word to describe such a person?

They might be, but I give gifts with no strings attached. However, if you are going to throw it away I would happily take it back and get my money back. That would just be a waste. Donating it to a needy person is fine.

There is a malicious intent to your scenario though. You want to cause friction and embarassment by in essence saying your present is not good enough. The one with poor behavior would be you as some resentment would be justfied. Just quietly donate them and everyone wins.

Modifié par InvincibleHero, 30 mars 2012 - 05:43 .

[Darth Krytie]

jcmccorm wrote...

InvincibleHero wrote...
Well a few may have had poor reactions, but that is beside the point. Once a gift is received the new owner has a right to do with it as they wish. There was no precondition like with endowments to colleges.

I have a birthday next week. Do you think anyone would be offended if I put Goodwill on speakerphone while I open the presents, and then regift anything to Goodwill, then and there, that I don't want?

Would "generous" be the word to describe such a person?

It's not even the same thing and you know it. No one is showing up with birthday gifts with the message "wow, this thing you did sucked, but I'm going to tell you with a very pointed present instead of just spamming your blog with capped images and frothing rage and politely worded missives of displeasure."

[Ozai75]

@John thanks again for being a voice of reason.

[jcmccorm]

Darth Krytie wrote...
It's not even the same thing and you know it. No one is showing up with birthday gifts with the message "wow, this thing you did sucked, but I'm going to tell you with a very pointed present instead of just spamming your blog with capped images and frothing rage and politely worded missives of displeasure."

The funny thing is, the cupcakes were there to get the same message across, still pointed, but playful and not so negative way. BioWare employees seemed to mildly encourage this new attempt at dialog. They knew exactly what was coming and when. They had plenty of time to formulate an ideal response, if that is what they desired. This could have been a PR grand-slam, and BioWare could have playfully batted back at us a bit with a good natured jab of their own.

It ended up being a missed opportunity. Were we not worth the effort? Were they unable to find the opportunity here? I dunno. But I can see that  BioWare doesn't see themselves like we see them. Capable of doing awesome things. Larger than life. ROCK STARS! We gave them an easy pitch and expected them to dazzle us by knocking it out of the park. But what they appear to see themselves as and operate like is a business software company (which they are, of sorts) with a few crazy customers (which is equally as true). We saw mild and subdued actions. "We're listening." An action (regifting) which is normal on a corporate level, but a bit insulting to regular people.

It is kind of like hitting someone who you thought was your buddy in the arm, only to have them give you a 100 yard stare. A bad case of mixed signals.

All and all, this turned out okay, but I have some regret it couldn't have been guided into something greater.

Modifié par jcmccorm, 30 mars 2012 - 06:02 .

[The R3medy]

So wait why did Bioware get a 4th option when we only got 3? Oh wait that's right ours will be paid for in DLC.

[Darth Krytie]

jcmccorm wrote...

Darth Krytie wrote...
It's not even the same thing and you know it. No one is showing up with birthday gifts with the message "wow, this thing you did sucked, but I'm going to tell you with a very pointed present instead of just spamming your blog with capped images and frothing rage and politely worded missives of displeasure."

The funny thing is, the cupcakes were there to get the same message across, still pointed, but playful and not so negative way. BioWare employees seemed to mildly encourage this new attempt at dialog. They knew exactly what was coming and when. They had plenty of time to formulate an ideal response, if that is what they desired. This could have been a PR grand-slam, and BioWare could have playfully batted back at us a bit with a good natured jab of their own.

It ended up being a missed opportunity. Were we not worth the effort? Were they unable to find the opportunity here? I dunno. But I can see that  BioWare doesn't see themselves like we see them. Capable of doing awesome things. Larger than life. ROCK STARS! We gave them an easy pitch and expected them to dazzle us by knocking it out of the park. But what they appear to see themselves as and operate like is a business software company (which they are, of sorts) with a few crazy customers (which is equally as true). We saw mild and subdued actions. "We're listening." An action (regifting) which is normal on a corporate level, but a bit insulting to regular people.

It is kind of like hitting someone who you thought was your buddy in the arm, only to have them give you a 100 yard stare. A bad case of mixed signals.

All and all, this turned out okay, but I have some regret it couldn't have been guided into something greater.

I seriously doubt if they ate the cupcakes if some people wouldn't be calling them out or saying "u 8 trollcakes lulz" or whatever. Some people seem to find fault no matter what they say or do. They are a business software company and they are going to have to act like it. They do have to deal with legal and PR. And they do have to make choices, sometimes, which will enrage one group or another.

It's like...if someone made a mural for your home town and it was 99% what you wanted, but there was a big...I dunno...image of Homer Simpson farting in the middle that ruined it. Or actually, something less outrageous because not everyone is upset by it...and you first, demand your money back, impugn the many hours effort put into making it, then demand they redo it, now now now, and then when they already stated they're working out how to fix it, say, don't worry, we love you....here are some "learn how to draw" books.

You may have meant the cupcakes in a loving way, but not everyone did. Some people didn't send it with the idea of "I love you guys, but...please fix this?" Some people sent it with the "and I hope you choke on your failure" and how is that a nice thing...

I can imagine Chris walking to his office: "Hey, everyone, people sent these cupcakes to say "you suxxors" and "you ruined my experience" and all those sleepless nights and hard work and hours spent on this project mean nothing in the face of five irreedemable minutes of gaming, enjoy!"

Yeah, that wouldn't go over well at all.

I'm happy with their choice. I think it was the right one.

Modifié par Darth Krytie, 30 mars 2012 - 06:12 .

[Tazzmission]

thats great on biowares part and the fans who sent them in should be glad to

i do have a slight problem with some comments but ill leave it be

[jcmccorm]

Darth Krytie wrote...
I seriously doubt if they ate the cupcakes if some people wouldn't be calling them out or saying "u 8 trollcakes lulz" or whatever. Some people seem to find fault no matter what they say or do. They are a business software company and they are going to have to act like it. They do have to deal with legal and PR. And they do have to make choices, sometimes, which will enrage one group or another.

Or put another way, "Nobody ever got fired for buying IBM."

They're making a safe choice and sticking with conventional business decisions. The landscape is changing on their side of things and on our side of things, and I think we all know this. They're obviously reaching out to embrace us more than what you would have seen in years past.

We agree that they made an okay choice. Not spectacular, not disasterous.

Modifié par jcmccorm, 30 mars 2012 - 06:19 .

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

I think people are so rage filled right now to the point where they are forgetting that bioware is run by people and not robots. Some of which I believe even use to be fans of bioware just like us before working there. Believe me, I'm angry at being screwed over by the ending too, but I genuinely believe that they do actually listen to fans, it sort of shows in ME3 minus the endings and whatnot. The fact that they said they are going to do /something/ with the endings, and that they didn't throw away all of the fan notes seems like they are really taking this seriously. Let's wait until April to see what they got in store for us.

[Ricvenart]

Cupcakes teach you how to make games? (Comparison with how to draw books)
Must get me some of those then.

Also I think homer farting is probably about right, some people would just love that anyway even if it wasn't what was expected.

Seriously though can we cut out with the "People would be unhappy no matter what they did" non-sense, it was a very specific problem which has been address that many people saw in the 2nd paragraph, both that it wasn't done with love for the developers and that because it had a hint of negativity it wasn't worth keeping. Chris has already addressed that so maybe when checking out Dev posts then should read a few a head before quoting it and questioning it. Though the problem isn't they gave it to charity (though we people got collectively slapped by the web for doing the same) it was just with the one paragraph that didn't even need to be there.

I agree though the message has been recieve, people are still there and it still needs to be addressed, not bringing it up anymore may lead to the wrong conclusion though. Next step, replacing the Statue of Liberty with Maurauder Shields, we'll call it "Liberty from bad endings". (joke clearly).

[Mighty_BOB_cnc]

LegendaryBlade wrote...

What ever happened to that idea of buying advertising space on the bus-stop across from the Bioware building?

Nothing as far as I know.  I think it's a good idea to hold in reserve.  PAX is close enough that I think we can wait before starting any other initiatives. 

Of course that assumes that PAX is when we get some sort of press release or announcement and not later in April...

[Darth Krytie]

Ricvenart wrote...

Cupcakes teach you how to make games? (Comparison with how to draw books)
Must get me some of those then.

[snip]

I agree though the message has been recieve, people are still there and it still needs to be addressed, not bringing it up anymore may lead to the wrong conclusion though. Next step, replacing the Statue of Liberty with Maurauder Shields, we'll call it "Liberty from bad endings". (joke clearly).

And I couldn't at all be comparing "haha, let's mock the ending" with "haha, let's mock your artistic ability" but actually believing cupcakes have magical gaming powers of creatibility.


I did read through this whole post and did see Chris' post. I was just replying to everyone that's acting like BioWare are the spawn of Satan for not eating the cupcakes.

Anyhow, btw, I wasn't a fan of the endings jsyk and I'm not an ending apologist, I'm just not out to vilify BioWare every chance I get either.

However, I would actually love to see Marauder Shields Statue in Mass Effect. lol.

[BamBam38]

this is epic

[Diablos2525]

RinjiRenee wrote...

Poleaxe wrote...

BW doesn't seem to understand PR at all. What they should have said was "Yeah, we ate a bunch of the cupcakes- they were tasty. We sent the rest off to where they will be much appreciated."

As it is, they come off as too uptight to eat the cupcakes. As if eating a cupcake admits something that they don't believe. It's a cupcake, relax. I don't think the problem with BW lately is EA- I think they are just a bit too full of themselves. They may be trying to make the players happy, but they still think the problem is with us.

... Too uptight to eat cupcakes?  Giving the cupcakes to kids who are less fortunate is somehow an uptight thing to do?

Did the vanilla flavor somehow bear the most weighted and important message?  Was there supposed to be some kind of irony that they were supposed to get, like "ah yes the cupcakes taste sweet but they were made in bitter resentment?"   This entire issue has nothing to do with charity and all to do with corporate snobbery?

Some of you guys need to get your priorities straight, methinks.

Do 28 kids really need 402 cupcakes? It was a PR move. Deal with the real world.