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[Suikoden]

This is ridiculous. Like it or not, the game has an ending. All of these entitled petitions and movements just go to show how far videogames still have to come when compared to other modern entertainment mediums like movies/books/television.

"Frankly my dear, I love you let's remarry."

[Viyu]

Are we gonna do wine, next? Red, green, blue bottles? or maybe rumcakes? How would that work I wonder... o.o

Modifié par Viyu, 31 mars 2012 - 04:56 .

[LoganKey]

beutelmarkus wrote...

This is ridiculous. Like it or not, the game has an ending. All of these entitled petitions and movements just go to show how far videogames still have to come when compared to other modern entertainment mediums like movies/books/television.

"Frankly my dear, I love you let's remarry."

Respectfully, you strike me as someone who has never read the myriad of arguments against your position. Arguments that are readily found by a simple google search. Since you have not done that, allow me to get you started: 

http://www.forbes.co...er-entitlement/

Modifié par LoganKey, 31 mars 2012 - 05:05 .

[improperdancing]

beutelmarkus wrote...

This is ridiculous. Like it or not, the game has an ending. All of these entitled petitions and movements just go to show how far videogames still have to come when compared to other modern entertainment mediums like movies/books/television.

"Frankly my dear, I love you let's remarry."

The game does have an ending, but unfortunately it's awful and riddled with plot holes.

I think the fact that this ending got released at all without critics completely panning it does show how far videogames still have to go to be compared to other entertainment mediums.  You know, those other mediums where the writers of the reviews aren't paid by the ad revenues from the products they're reviewing? 

And really, I think the notion that gamers are entitled for complaining about a product that they paid for is absurd.  BioWare made a ton of promises about how the game would end, and those promises weren't kept.  Imagine you were buying a car and the dealership told you prior to purchase that it had cruise control.  Now, once you took it on out on the road, you found out the dealership lied.  Would you be considered entitled for going back to dealership and demanding that you get the feature you paid for?

Companies exist to provide services to customers, not the other way around.  If enough customers aren't happy about something, it's up to the company in question to change it or risk losing those customers.  I don't see how the gaming industry is magically immune from this fact.

Modifié par improperdancing, 31 mars 2012 - 05:22 .

[Suikoden]

improperdancing wrote...

beutelmarkus wrote...

This is ridiculous. Like it or not, the game has an ending. All of these entitled petitions and movements just go to show how far videogames still have to come when compared to other modern entertainment mediums like movies/books/television.

"Frankly my dear, I love you let's remarry."

The game does have an ending, but unfortunately it's awful and riddled with plot holes.

I think the fact that this ending got released at all without critics completely panning it does show how far videogames still have to go to be compared to other entertainment mediums.  You know, those other mediums where the writers of the reviews aren't paid by the ad revenues from the products they're reviewing? 

The ending is only riddled with plot holes if you take it at face value without taking into account the obvious probability of the indoctrination theory.  If this isn't the case, then yes - it's a pretty bad ending, but that still doesn't make the whole cupcakes/charity movement for a new/revised ending any less ridiculous.

While we're at it, lets also petition Square Enix, Konami, and Nintendo to re-release a version of FF7 with Aeris alive, a version of Metal Gear Solid 2 with Snake instead of Raiden, and a version of Metroid where Samus Aran is a dude.

Maybe JK Rowling can also bring Dumbledore back to life if we send her some cupcakes in the mail.

[Sleek]

The ending wasnt as bad as everyone made it sound. Im just tired of all the DLC to an incomplete game. Its overpriced and gets way to expensive.

[Suikoden]

improperdancing wrote...

beutelmarkus wrote...

This is ridiculous. Like it or not, the game has an ending. All of these entitled petitions and movements just go to show how far videogames still have to come when compared to other modern entertainment mediums like movies/books/television.

"Frankly my dear, I love you let's remarry."

The game does have an ending, but unfortunately it's awful and riddled with plot holes.

I think the fact that this ending got released at all without critics completely panning it does show how far videogames still have to go to be compared to other entertainment mediums.  You know, those other mediums where the writers of the reviews aren't paid by the ad revenues from the products they're reviewing? 

Forbes?  What have they ever done to be taken seriously in the realm of videogames.  That's almost as bad as Kotaku recommending CIV V as a "legendary RTS."  And Bethesda didn't change the ending to Fallout 3 because of fan backlash - they changed it so that the game wouldn't have a "hard" ending where you couldn't explore/quest any more after it was completed.  The author of the Forbes article conveniently leaves that part out to push his own agenda.

Modifié par beutelmarkus, 31 mars 2012 - 05:30 .

[Viyu]

Sleek wrote...

The ending wasnt as bad as everyone made it sound. Im just tired of all the DLC to an incomplete game. Its overpriced and gets way to expensive.

That's my biggest fear too. Seriously, who makes a "zero tolerance policy" 4 days before launch unless you KNEW there was a reason people were going to be up in arms. It feels like this whole thing was planned.

[improperdancing]

beutelmarkus wrote...

The ending is only riddled with plot holes if you take it at face value without taking into account the obvious probability of the indoctrination theory.  If this isn't the case, then yes - it's a pretty bad ending, but that still doesn't make the whole cupcakes/charity movement for a new/revised ending any less ridiculous.

While we're at it, lets also petition Square Enix, Konami, and Nintendo to re-release a version of FF7 with Aeris alive, a version of Metal Gear Solid 2 with Snake instead of Raiden, and a version of Metroid where Samus Aran is a dude.

Maybe JK Rowling can also bring Dumbledore back to life if we send her some cupcakes in the mail.

Even if the indoctrination theory is true, all that means is that BioWare literally released a game without an ending at all, probably with the intent of charging us for it later.  To me, that's a much more serious crime than simple bad writing.

And I think you're missing the point here.  It's not about Shepherd living or dying.  Personally, I'm fine with him dying, as are many other people that were not satisfied by the ending.  It's about an adequate end to an otherwise great series.  It's about making choices throughout the games that actually mattered.  It's about seeing what happened to all of the characters you came to care about through the three games.  It's about Shepherd going out (if he has to go out) with a bang instead of a whimper.

Honestly, I'd be fine with the end of Mass Effect 3 having the Reapers win so long as Shepherd got to go out shooting.  As it stands, he goes out slow-walking and being faced with three equally terrible decisions.

[LoganKey]

beutelmarkus wrote...

improperdancing wrote...

beutelmarkus wrote...

This is ridiculous. Like it or not, the game has an ending. All of these entitled petitions and movements just go to show how far videogames still have to come when compared to other modern entertainment mediums like movies/books/television.

"Frankly my dear, I love you let's remarry."

The game does have an ending, but unfortunately it's awful and riddled with plot holes.

I think the fact that this ending got released at all without critics completely panning it does show how far videogames still have to go to be compared to other entertainment mediums.  You know, those other mediums where the writers of the reviews aren't paid by the ad revenues from the products they're reviewing? 

Forbes?  What have they ever done to be taken seriously in the realm of videogames.  That's almost as bad as Kotaku recommending CIV V as a "legendary RTS."  And Bethesda didn't change the ending to Fallout 3 because of fan backlash - they changed it so that the game wouldn't have a "hard" ending where you couldn't explore/quest any more after it was completed.  The author of the Forbes article conveniently leaves that part out to push his own agenda.

First, your attack on Forbes' credibility is an ad hominem attack, as you do not directly address the arguments being made. Flawed logic.

Secondly, Fallout 3 retconned the ending that allowed you to completely avoid the 'sacrifice'. If they wanted to let you continue the gameplay, they could have done it any number of ways that did not involve that. The producer of fallout 3 redily admitted, that they retconned the ending due to fan outcry.

[Suikoden]

improperdancing wrote...

beutelmarkus wrote...

The ending is only riddled with plot holes if you take it at face value without taking into account the obvious probability of the indoctrination theory.  If this isn't the case, then yes - it's a pretty bad ending, but that still doesn't make the whole cupcakes/charity movement for a new/revised ending any less ridiculous.

While we're at it, lets also petition Square Enix, Konami, and Nintendo to re-release a version of FF7 with Aeris alive, a version of Metal Gear Solid 2 with Snake instead of Raiden, and a version of Metroid where Samus Aran is a dude.

Maybe JK Rowling can also bring Dumbledore back to life if we send her some cupcakes in the mail.

Even if the indoctrination theory is true, all that means is that BioWare literally released a game without an ending at all, probably with the intent of charging us for it later.  To me, that's a much more serious crime than simple bad writing.

And I think you're missing the point here.  It's not about Shepherd living or dying.  Personally, I'm fine with him dying, as are many other people that were not satisfied by the ending.  It's about an adequate end to an otherwise great series.  It's about making choices throughout the games that actually mattered.  It's about seeing what happened to all of the characters you came to care about through the three games.  It's about Shepherd going out (if he has to go out) with a bang instead of a whimper.

Honestly, I'd be fine with the end of Mass Effect 3 having the Reapers win so long as Shepherd got to go out shooting.  As it stands, he goes out slow-walking and being faced with three equally terrible decisions.

It might not be a popular ending, but it's still an ending.  I see the third game itself as one big ending where my choices played themselves out.  

[Suikoden]

First, your attack on Forbes' credibility is an ad hominem attack, as you do not directly address the arguments being made. Flawed logic.

Secondly, Fallout 3 retconned the ending that allowed you to completely avoid the 'sacrifice'. If they wanted to let you continue the gameplay, they could have done it any number of ways that did not involve that. The producer of fallout 3 redily admitted, that they retconned the ending due to fan outcry. 

I'll remember that the next time I get financial advice from Gamespot and IGN.

And Fallout 3 retconned the ending to completely avoid the "sacrifice" in order to have the game not end.  NOT because fans disliked the ending.

Todd Howard (executive producer of FO3):  "Based on the feedback I've seen, most people are pissed off that it ends, not the "ending" itself." 

Modifié par beutelmarkus, 31 mars 2012 - 05:48 .

[improperdancing]

beutelmarkus wrote...
It might not be a popular ending, but it's still an ending.  I see the third game itself as one big ending where my choices played themselves out.  

And the reason people are complaining is because it's a bad ending.  I don't see anyone here arguing that the game didn't end. 

You may see the third game that way, but a lot of us see the third game as one big ending where our choices played out, following by an awful secondary ending where none of our choices mattered and we were presented with three equally terrible and ridiculously brief cut-scenes for all of our hours put into the series. 

What I really don't get is what the people who liked the ending have to lose by BioWare changing it.  If they change it and make it better, don't we all win?  And really, they can't make it any worse (seeing as half the fans on this board have written up better, smarter endings, and I'm pretty sure most of them aren't professional writers...some of them can barely spell).

Modifié par improperdancing, 31 mars 2012 - 05:50 .

[LoganKey]

Hey all,

Here's an update from Shadow Wrought about the status of our cupcakes:

"Hey there. Just got off the phone with the shellter. The cupcakes went over really well. Lots of colored tongues and the kids appreciated it. I also got calrification for the people thinking it was a bit of a waste with ony '28' kids eating the cupcakes. The number is actually false. The shelter operates in more than 1 location and overall they can see upwards of 100 kids in a single day (The 28 is more for the kids living there, not those who pop in off the streets during the day). On top of that 100 cupcakes are going into the freezer to be taken out in a month or so for a barbeque.

The woman also told me shes sending Bioware a card but wanted to send us a thank you also. Ill pass that on when i get it in my email "

So yeah guys, congratulations. Thanks to you there are now a bunch of kids who got to make a sweet choice of what colored tongues they preferred

[kbct]

That makes me smile.

[Yumi50]

In the end, you still refused the 'sweet'. There's still only 'bitter' in what we have got.

I wanted to give you guys cupcakes in good wish, thank you for the hard work, seeing you guys been through a lot lately, I thought some cake would be nice.

But no, you refused to eat a friendly gesture and gave them to someone else.
If I want to donate things to kids, I would have. Oh wait.. I did that for child's play already.

We spent $1000 to give YOU GUYS cakes! I don't have spare money to mock you.
'Never dream of mockery' said Mordin. I wanted to give them to you.

I don't mind a good faith in giving them to those kids, good for them.
But seriously, this is just insulting. 

Modifié par Yumi50, 31 mars 2012 - 11:54 .

[astheoceansblue]

beutelmarkus wrote..

Todd Howard (executive producer of FO3):  "Based on the feedback I've seen, most people are pissed off that it ends, not the "ending" itself." 

The ending "itself" /was/ that 'it ends'.

(gosh, that wasd a confusing amount of puncuation to make a point).

[eternalnightmare13]

Weird.

[Kog27]

ahahah wow, good job. Getting on the news and stuff was pretty good. Lets see what Bioware does

[eternalnightmare13]

I'd be impressed if all the people unhappy with the game sold it and gave that money to shelters. Cupcakes, not so much.

[Plumwinebunny]

I kinda wished Bioware would have enjoyed some cupcakes as well but I am glad the kiddies got some yummy cuppies!

[JuniperB3rry]

I love thtis movement keep it up!

[Achkas]

Viyu wrote...

Sleek wrote...

The ending wasnt as bad as everyone made it sound. Im just tired of all the DLC to an incomplete game. Its overpriced and gets way to expensive.

That's my biggest fear too. Seriously, who makes a "zero tolerance policy" 4 days before launch unless you KNEW there was a reason people were going to be up in arms. It feels like this whole thing was planned.

To be fair, the zero tolerance policy was related to Dragon Age stuff going on with that writer who was getting death threats...

[snewRaz]

Great idea! it.

[Viyu]

Perhaps the next fundraiser should be for the mandatory multiplayer?


Anyhoo....

Achkas wrote...

Viyu wrote...

Sleek wrote...

The
ending wasnt as bad as everyone made it sound. Im just tired of all the
DLC to an incomplete game. Its overpriced and gets way to
expensive.

That's my biggest fear too. Seriously, who
makes a "zero tolerance policy" 4 days before launch unless you KNEW
there was a reason people were going to be up in arms. It feels like
this whole thing was planned.

To be fair, the zero tolerance policy was related to Dragon Age stuff going on with that writer who was getting death threats...

I figured it was about the leaks. But DA2 has been out for awhile now. To think Hepler would be getting death threats now? That's a bit...weird. I'm assuming Hepler's the one people are pissed at, since she's gotten the most hate in my experience. 

Modifié par Viyu, 01 avril 2012 - 02:59 .